Who is higher on a GOAT list, 2pac or common?

[Punisher__]

mvpbrodie, I think you're going to be my successor, as the highest certified poster on this site, with respect to thread numbers.

even tho goat list don't make sense.. I think pac knew he had less time to live on this earth.. he was interviewed at 21 and a interviewer asked him what do you want and it was to be alive for more time.. I think pac was aware of death on a everyday level, really paranoid that's why no one say's he had classics or such because he did his work so quickly because of his notion of death..but i will agree he was more relatable to everyday persons.. if it wasn't for 2pac i would not have liked rap music as I thought everyone was beyond me but yet here was this person I could relate too. If common so great why is rap so garbage now....

Just cut it out, my nigga. Only mainstream rap is garbage now. But Common is not and has never been a mainstream rapper. That has never been his demographic, and making music congruent with top 40 has never been his niche. However, that still doesn't take away from what Common has accomplished artistically, which is really all that matters here.

 

[a posting ape]

mvpbrodie, I think you're going to be my successor, as the highest certified poster on this site, with respect to thread numbers.

Just cut it out, my nigga. Only mainstream rap is garbage now. But Common is not and has never been a mainstream rapper. That has never been his demographic, and making music congruent with top 40 has never been his niche. However, that still doesn't take away from what Common has accomplished artistically, which is really all that matters here.

and for every "artistic accomplishment" common has, 'pac has more. if this were a top 10 lyricists list, common would have an edge. but straight GOAT status? putting common infront of 'pac is blasphemy.

 

[Sm00thness101]

Your definition of longevity appears to be made up, and grounded only by emotion.

Main Entry: lon·gev·i·ty

Pronunciation: \län-ˈje-və-tē, lȯn-\

1 a : a long duration of individual life b : length of life

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/longevity

Pac's life ended in 1996. He stopped being a recording artist in 1996. His longevity ended in 1996.

Common has more longevity because his artistic life has not been ended, and he's 18 years in...compared to Pac, who was only 5 years in when he died.

With that said how important is longevity? Since common is so good and he's been in the game 3 times longer than pac (and counting) why hasn't he reached pac status? Why doesn't he have a catalog of songs that can rival pac's? So does it matter how long someone has been in the game if they ain't producing? Pac's life may have ended in 96 but his music didn't.

 

[Punisher__]

With that said how important is longevity? Since common is so good and he's been in the game 3 times longer than pac (and counting) why hasn't he reached pac status? Why doesn't he have a catalog of songs that can rival pac's? So does it matter how long someone has been in the game if they ain't producing? Pac's life may have ended in 96 but his music didn't.

See, that's the thing. Commercial accomplishment aside, when the actual merit of work is in question, Common not only matches Pac's status, but he eclipses it.

Common's catalog, as a whole, is far more cohesive. And like I said in here already, he is technically the more proficient emcee, too. Common has more going for him on an artistic level, because he's just clearly the superior artist, with a superior body of work.

The only thing that Pac has going for him, otherwise, is the fact that he's more perched in pop culture and has a large commercial following. That's really all that gives his status the extra umph over Common's. But like I said, we have to scratch that out because commercial accomplishments isn't relevant. The only thing that matters is the music, and that is where Common reigns King.

 

[Sm00thness101]

See, that's the thing. Commercial accomplishment aside, when the actual merit of work is in question, Common not only matches Pac's status, but he eclipses it.

Common's catalog, as a whole, is far more cohesive. And like I said in here already, he is technically the more proficient emcee, too. Common has more going for him on an artistic level, because he's just clearly the superior artist, with a superior body of work.

The only thing that Pac has going for him, otherwise, is the fact that he's more perched in pop culture and has a large commercial following. That's really all that gives his status the extra umph over Common's. But like I said, we have to scratch that out because commercial accomplishments isn't relevant. The only thing that matters is the music, and that is where Common reigns King.

The music is the only thing that matters and that's where Pac reigns King.

Keep Ya Head Up

Dear Mama

Brenda's Got A Baby

Life Goes On

I aint Mad At Ya

2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted

Hail Mary

Blasephemy

Death Around the Corner

Thug Mansion

Unconditional Love

Changes

So Many Tears

Me Against the World

Bury Me A G

Ghost

One Day at a Time

Until the End of Time

Letter to My Unborn

Baby Don't Cry

Made Niggaz

Staring at the World Through My Rearview

Only God Can Judge Me

Pain

Hell Razor

California Love

2 Live and Die N L.A.

When We Ride On Our Enemies

Troublesome 96

Picture Me Rollin...

 

[Focal Point]

Inspired by my brother the punisher I have decided to create this thread.

When the history of rap is written down, who will/should be higher on a GOAT list, common or 2pac?

Technical skill- Common

flow- Pac

storytelling- Common

social impact- This is subjective

industry impact- Pac

infleunce- Pac

legacy- Pac

songwriting ability- Pac

wordplay- Common

emotion- Pac

longevety- Pac and this is based off his legacy and catolugue

catolugue- Pac

changing up your style- Common

creativity- Common

peak performance- Pac

battle skills- Depends on which song you like better... Common murked Cube so bad lol

respect in the game- Both have respect in the game

Don't number these off like a checklist, just use them as a barometer to determine who would be higher

On a GOAT list. Take into consideration who peers and crtics think also

and for fun

acting skills lol

I think that about says it all

 

[contemplate]

tupac is greatest of all time.. his impact on the game, his number of classical songs, his emotion in songs, etc are what make him the greatest.

however he is not the best as there are better lyrical rappers out there.

 

[as seen on tv]

common > 2pac

fuck 2upac

 

[contemplate]

common > 2pac

fuck 2upac

/biased post

at least try and seem objective.

 

[Punisher__]

See, that's the thing. Commercial accomplishment aside, when the actual merit of work is in question, Common not only matches Pac's status, but he eclipses it.

Common's catalog, as a whole, is far more cohesive. And like I said in here already, he is technically the more proficient emcee, too. Common has more going for him on an artistic level, because he's just clearly the superior artist, with a superior body of work.

The only thing that Pac has going for him, otherwise, is the fact that he's more perched in pop culture and has a large commercial following. That's really all that gives his status the extra umph over Common's. But like I said, we have to scratch that out because commercial accomplishments isn't relevant. The only thing that matters is the music, and that is where Common reigns King.

The music is the only thing that matters and that's where Pac reigns King.

Keep Ya Head Up

Dear Mama

Brenda's Got A Baby

Life Goes On

I aint Mad At Ya

2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted

Hail Mary

Blasephemy

Death Around the Corner

Thug Mansion

Unconditional Love

Changes

So Many Tears

Me Against the World

Bury Me A G

Ghost

One Day at a Time

Until the End of Time

Letter to My Unborn

Baby Don't Cry

Made Niggaz

Staring at the World Through My Rearview

Only God Can Judge Me

Pain

Hell Razor

California Love

2 Live and Die N L.A.

When We Ride On Our Enemies

Troublesome 96

Picture Me Rollin...

LoL. You're reaching bruh. And that's really all I can say.

 

[Sm00thness101]

See, that's the thing. Commercial accomplishment aside, when the actual merit of work is in question, Common not only matches Pac's status, but he eclipses it.

Common's catalog, as a whole, is far more cohesive. And like I said in here already, he is technically the more proficient emcee, too. Common has more going for him on an artistic level, because he's just clearly the superior artist, with a superior body of work.

The only thing that Pac has going for him, otherwise, is the fact that he's more perched in pop culture and has a large commercial following. That's really all that gives his status the extra umph over Common's. But like I said, we have to scratch that out because commercial accomplishments isn't relevant. The only thing that matters is the music, and that is where Common reigns King.

LoL. You're reaching bruh. And that's really all I can say.

lets see common's list

 

[BobOblah]

Well, first off, let's put it into perspective. Pac was no one's lyrical giant, and his overall musical output was average at best. However, his death at an early age helped to cement legendary status, regardless of the actual merit of his work. Common was not bound by the same circumstance. He actually had to put in work for the clout that he has received, and has amassed a repertoire that is far more impressive than anything that Pac did.

I'd say Common has the majority of those sub-categories locked up, with ease. Longevity, creativity, catalog, wordplay, songwriting, changing up your style, technical skill, battle skills and flow are, without question, areas where Common easily outclasses Pac.

Where I'd call it a draw would be emotion, storytelling, industry impact, legacy and respect in the game. Pac conveyed great emotion and he was a good storyteller. But Common is no dull shark, either. In fact, I'd confidently put "I Used to Love H.E.R." against any Pac track, with respect to emotion and storytelling. I believe they're both highly respected...Pac as an outspoken voice, and Common as an industry veteran, who is 18 years in.

Social impact, influence, and peak performance are the only areas where I'd say Pac surpasses Common. But that is only because Pac is more popular on a global scale, so it's easy for people to advocate for Pac, as his name is more familiar. Common's lack of mainstream visibility is what hurts him in the three aforementioned areas, IMO.

So when it's all said and done, Common is and should be higher on a G.O.A.T. list.

What??? I stopped reading at the bolded.

 

[BobOblah]

Naa I know about that one but I heard he's creating a book on the album illmatic.

It's out too.

 

[BobOblah]

This goes to 2pac, in terms of impact he just blows Common outta the water, but Common is one of the few rappers who could stand next to Pac in terms of meaningful, poetic lyrics.

"I want to be as free as the spirits of those who left

I'm talking Malcom, Coltrane, my man Yusef

Through death through conception

New breath and resurrection

For moms, new steps in her direction

In the right way

Told inside is where the fight lay

And everything a nigga do may not be what he might say

Chicago nights stay, stay on the mind

But I write many lives and lay on these lines

Wave the signs of the times

Many say the grind's on the mind

Shorties blunted-eyed and everyone wanna rhyme

Bush pushing lies, killers immortalized

We got arms but won't reach for the skies

Waiting for the Lord to rise

I look into my daughter's eyes

And realize that I'm gonna learn through her

The Messiah, might even return through her

If I'm gonna do it, I gotta change the world through her

Furs and a Benz, gramps wantin 'em

Demons and old friends, pops they hauntin' him

The chosen one from the land of the frozen sun

When drunk nights get remembered more than sober ones

Walk like warriors, we were never told to run

Explored the world to return to where my soul begun

Never looking back or too far in front of me

The present is a gift

and I just wanna BE"

[video=youtube;6FkVmZt2tg0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FkVmZt2tg0[/video]

 

[Mumo X]

Both are in my top 5 but in all honesty Pac got this. Imo Comparin Pac to any emcee other than Nas is disrespectful & sinful...Tupac is to Hiphop what Bob Marley is to Reggae or what Marvin Gaye is to soul. Instead of Niggaz tryin to question Pac's greatness, downplay his influence & impact in Hiphop culture or criticise/expose his lyrical deficiences yall should celebrate the man's music and what he wuz able to accomplish in jus 25 years......Mr. Shakur's name is synonymous to Hiphop..Common is a legend in his own right & deserves all the credit he gets but until he drops a 'Dear Mama', 'Unborn Child', 'Hail Mary','Brenda's gotta baby','changes' or 'keep ya head up' then Lesane Crooks wins by a large margin....It aint close

 

[Punisher__]

Do people really think Pac is seeing Common on that lyrical tip? Please cut the bullshit, and put the weed down.

People are so quick to talk about Pac's influence, completely oblivious to the fact that that is only synonymous with Pac being a more mainstream visible rapper, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the merit of his work and/or skillset.

And lol @ Pac being to hip hop what Bob Marley is to Reggae. That's actually the weirdest comparison I've ever seen.

And what's so sinful and disrespectful about Common being compared with Pac? I get it. It's all only sinful because you dumbasses are so quick to bring into the discussion shit that has NOTHING to do with truly being a G.O.A.T.

This thread is gold, and only like 2 people have talked about Pac's MUSIC, which is really all that should be in question here. Who gives a fuck about his impact and influence? That is not a relevant argument.

 

[Punisher__]

LoL. Props to Mvpbrodie, because this thread is just exposing a lot biases, and how adamant some people are with being politically correct.

I don't give a fuck about Pac's legacy, because I found him to be an average artist. So I guess I'm committing the ultimate hip hop sin by saying Common has a better body of work, and is more skilled in a technical sense?

It's funny that hip hop fans are the only people who are so compelled to talk about EVERYTHING else besides the actual work that was created. So what Pac has been more influential? His work was still average...and subpar artists can be influential. Look at Britney Spears.

 

[as seen on tv]

/biased post

at least try and seem objective.

shut the fuck up

 

[Mumo X]

Do people really think Pac is seeing Common on that lyrical tip? Please cut the bullshit, and put the weed down.

People are so quick to talk about Pac's influence, completely oblivious to the fact that that is only synonymous with Pac being a more mainstream visible rapper, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the merit of his work and/or skillset.

And lol @ Pac being to hip hop what Bob Marley is to Reggae. That's actually the weirdest comparison I've ever seen.

And what's so sinful and disrespectful about Common being compared with Pac? I get it. It's all only sinful because you dumbasses are so quick to bring into the discussion shit that has NOTHING to do with truly being a G.O.A.T.

This thread is gold, and only like 2 people have talked about Pac's MUSIC, which is really all that should be in question here. Who gives a fuck about his impact and influence? That is not a relevant argument.

Comeback to me when Common crafts a timeless masterpiece like 'Dear Mama' or 'Keep ya Head up'....Dumb fuck

 

[I'm THAT guy...]

The fact that Pac had so much music and people are keeping Pac's legacy alive is the only reason people are going to continue putting him above Common on their GOAT list. I'm not a fan of neither one of them but as of right now, I'm going with Pac being rated higher for the simple fact that he has more classic material than Common.