Who is higher on a GOAT list, 2pac or common?

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rap doctor;1001267 said:
i think a lot of ppl missed that but tell me your joking

didn't like any of pac's movies..except for juice and ressurection

movies that i didn't like of his...

above the rim

poetic justice (this movie sucked hard)

bullet

ok movies

gang related

gridlock'd

I was a huge pac fan too... but im just keeping it real.. wasn't old during his time so maybe thats why but I did not really see him that great of an actor.

rappers that are better then 2pac at acting

Mos Def

Ice Cube

Queen latifah

Will smith

etc..
 
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@Punisher

Wasn't u in other threads defending Pac against The B.I.G. fans that said B.I.G. was better than Pac?

Now u on here doing the total opposite, make up your mind man!

Common is one of my favorites but, he can not touch Pac at all.

Fuck lyrics, it's about more than lyrics, Pac had the style, the charisma, the look, the attitude, the whole thing.

Common is boring at times, it sometimes seem like he is just to dull, like he doesn't really have a sense of humor, everything is so serious with him.

He too uptight, everything is about being serious with him and that makes him boring, that is why he doesn't have that big of a fan base.

He is a talented artist but, it's like he doesn't have a personality.
 
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@emceemurda

Are u kidding me, Poetic Justice was the movie that made people take him serious as a actor, Juice introduced him and Above The Rim had him working with Bernie Mac, Leon, Marlon Wayans and my favorite actor Wood Harris!
I didn't really like Bullet too much but, the rest of Pac's movie catalog are good.
Juice, Poetic Justice and Above The Rim are his best work. Bullet, Gridlock'd and Gang Related are average.
Pac was suppose to be in Higher Learning(Ice Cube ended up getting the role), Menace II Society(Tyrin Turner ended up getting the role) and Baby Boy was written for him by John Singleton(Tyrese ended up getting the role).
If Pac had not died there's no telling what he would have been doing in movies, Ice Cube and Pac opened the door for Queen Latifah, LL Cool J, Will Smith and all the other rapper's turn actor's that are out now to really get in the movies.
 
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JokerzWyld;1000681 said:
I have both artists in my Top 5, and both are extremely skilled at what they do. They both have impressive catalogs. With that being said: I place 2pac higher on my GOAT list than Common. I acknowledge Common's music and lyricism. Common's use of poetic convention & figurative language is above average to say the least. I credit Common for making some of the best hip hop love songs of the 90s, snatching LL's crown right off his head. I like Common's positive energy on tracks & subject matter. "I Used To Love H.E.R." is probably the greatest song in Hip Hop, and the theme of hip hop being a woman is still in use today. It's kind of weird, because when Common released that song Hip Hop was in it's golden age. Common is certainly worthy of GOAT status.

However, 2pac was/is just amazing. His songs always reflected the status quo of the times and the plight of the urban black male. Whereas Common's songs were very broad in delivery, Pac's was very detailed and personal, and conveyed the emotions of the characters he used. "Brenda's Got a Baby" is still one of the most moving songs in Hip Hop, and a lot of what he rapped about is comparable to the movie Precious from last year. "Part Time Mutha" & "Papa'z Song" were no exceptions to Pac's style and continued the trend vivid stories that evoked various feelings from the listeners. "Dear Mama" was the first song I heard of it's kind, and is still a trend in use today; Nas, Kanye, and even Lil B made songs for/about their mothers, and who set that trend? His use of voice altering equipment for songs like "Soulja Story" or "Soulja's Revenge" was the first i've heard of it's kind and a tactic used to create characters for his stories - something Common hasn't done, and also something artists like Nas have used. His music is timeless & his techniques for making said music are still in use today.

If Tupac is not high on a GOAT list for his musical accomplishments, then he should be included merely for his inspiration to Hip Hop. Many of the greats have bit his rhymes and his formula for commercial success & controversy. This is a good match up though. I like this.

astute post bruh!
 
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@Sm00thness101

True dat, u right but Pac was the one that made it cool for a rapper to play a different character outside of Hip Hop or The Hood.
 
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mistaincredible;1000518 said:
are you fuckin stupid, have u ever listened to i used to love her or retrospect for life or gaining one's definition??? i'd say all three of those are deeper than all of those tupac songs, here they are in case u havent, which u probably havent. oh and on top of that, Common has the single deepest and timeless masterpiece of a hip hop love song.

youre a fuckking moron, and obviously havent even skimmed over common's disco so stfu

[video=youtube;C99iG4HoO1c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C99iG4HoO1c[/video]

[video=youtube;pmDybzfNBG0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmDybzfNBG0[/video]

[video=youtube;5bWQT_vjRKI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bWQT_vjRKI[/video]

[video=youtube;W_-qRcHAhzk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_-qRcHAhzk[/video]

peace fam! I understand y yall gettin heated up...I also get Livid when Common dont get the respect he deserves for his musical accomplishments....Common is wayyyy underated...I only got Nas,Pac,Krs,Ra ahead of Common. Son is tied wit Cube in 5th spot. And Props for showin Gza love..
 
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the only reason the ballerina sold is because of the lifestyle he lived with all his controversies. he was the first rapper to go to prison, and always on the news. can you imagine if tupac was as quite as commoon personality wise but made the same type of music? he would be just a gold selling rapper at best. pac never went plat until jail. and once he died it was the nail in the coffin. i like pacs music but come on nigga is not top ten doa rapper skills wise. and i am not saying this cause im from new york. pac spent most his life in ny. he was just confused. and im not a big biggie fan neither. like chris rock said, "dem 2 niggaz got shot" lol
 
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emceemurda;1001368 said:
didn't like any of pac's movies..except for juice and ressurection

movies that i didn't like of his...

above the rim

poetic justice (this movie sucked hard)

bullet

ok movies

gang related

gridlock'd

I was a huge pac fan too... but im just keeping it real.. wasn't old during his time so maybe thats why but I did not really see him that great of an actor.

rappers that are better then 2pac at acting

Mos Def

Ice Cube

Queen latifah

Will smith

etc..

you gotta be fuckin' kidding me. wow.

now i know who to avoid from here on out.
 
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PAC is the greatest rap artist IMO. EVER. He's not the greatest rapper. He's top 5-8. There's a difference.

To say he was an "average" artist is disrespectful though. He's got 2 classic albums one near in makeveli.

Punisher__;998304 said:
LoL. Props to Mvpbrodie, because this thread is just exposing a lot biases, and how adamant some people are with being politically correct.

I don't give a fuck about Pac's legacy, because I found him to be an average artist. So I guess I'm committing the ultimate hip hop sin by saying Common has a better body of work, and is more skilled in a technical sense?

It's funny that hip hop fans are the only people who are so compelled to talk about EVERYTHING else besides the actual work that was created. So what Pac has been more influential? His work was still average...and subpar artists can be influential. Look at Britney Spears.
 
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Is this thread serious? lmfao

Pac is a better artist than Common period, much more well rounded and a better songwriter. Pac is 3rd on my goat list, Common is in that 5-15 range.
 
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Looking back common is better. He's a much better MC.

MATW is as good as commons best album but common has 3 to 4 MATW level records in his catalogue(LWFC, Ressurection,ODMS, Be)
 
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