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Pretty Fred;1053455 said:you are only judging him as a rapper. he had a bigger impact on rap than just being a rapper. eazy e touched the entire culture in the 80's. rap wasnt that big and definitly not the kind that was coming out of ruthless.icame4wo;1053247 said:Thats weird b/c im a fan of Biggie, but yet i don't own 1 rick ross album, single, or mixtape.
in the end this all comes down to opinion.
I guess me being from the east, brooklyn i don't care for an Eazy-E, don't own any records of him, never will. He couldn't rap to save his life, and he handled his business in the worst way possible.
If that is leaving an impact on the game, i don't know what to say.
go look at the sales his artist made. regardless of how the label was run he sold millions of millions of records as him solo in a group and the talent he put on. he put cube on, he put dre on, he put bone thugs on. i'm not biased when it comes to who i like and dislike. i dislike big and like eazy but i'm not going to lie just for the sake of arguing and i dont think this thread is opinion based. i saw when nwa was coming out and when big came out. looking back i just feel eazy's impact was greater.
jerry heller did not own ruthless. eazy e was a street dude who started a label, he brought in the music vet jerry but it was eazy's label. that cant be argued unless you know something the rest of the world doesn't. if i were to flip this thread and ask who had the bigger impact nwa or biggie, what would the answer be?
icame4wo;1053130 said:so eazy-e aint own ruthless? thats what you saying?
Fazeem Blackall;1053763 said:
Ruthless Records was formed as a vehicle for releases by N.W.A., as well as member and founder Eric "Eazy-E" Wright; its first successful single was Eazy's "Boyz-n-the-Hood", followed by N.W.A.'s "Dopeman" and "8-Ball", introductory to the group's N.W.A. and the Posse, a compilation album released under the group's name, albeit not on Ruthless. It also put out singles by underground California acts such as Frost and J.J. Fad, but the label's first full-length release was N.W.A.'s Straight Outta Compton, catapulting both the group and the label to success. Immediately following this was the release of Eazy's solo debut, Eazy-Duz-It, furthering the popularity of the N.W.A. brand.
As the five members went on tour in support of their project, some began to voice their displeasure with the financial situation at Ruthless Records. According to group member MC Ren, it was common opinion that Heller was the one receiving their due:
“We felt he didn’t deserve what he was getting. We deserved that shit. We were the ones making the records, traveling in vans and driving all around the place. You do all those fucking shows trying to get known, and then you come home to a fucking apartment. Then you go to his house, and this motherfucker lives in a mansion. There’s gold leaf trimmings all in the bathroom and all kinds of other shit. You’re thinking, “Man, fuck that.”[2]”The label also experienced outside pressure due to the group. The success of their single "Fuck tha Police" led to a threatening F.B.I. letter to distributor Priority Records[3]. After coming off tour, group member Ice Cube voiced his opinions on the group's finances. Though Heller continually claims that everything was in order, and has even offered them to open the account books to prove his innocence[4], the ensuing confrontation ended in Cube leaving Ruthless without signing on as a solo artist, which the remaining members proceeded to do.
1988 also saw the release of J.J. Fad's gold-certified[5] album Supersonic, singer Michel'le's eponymous self-titled album, and The D.O.C.'s critically-acclaimed No One Can Do It Better (all released through Atlantic), all produced by N.W.A. beatsmith Dr. Dre; following these efforts, Dre returned to N.W.A., producing the 100 Miles and Runnin' E.P. and the group's sophomore effort, Efil4Zaggin, which reached platinum status[6]. Above the Law's Livin' Like Hustlers was also released during this period (by way of Epic Records).
In 1989, Eazy signed Hip-Hop's first white girl rapper Tairrie B to Ruthless' new Comptown label subsidiary. She released her debut album "The Power of A Woman" in 1990 (through MCA Records) featuring the single & video for "Murder She Wrote" which Eazy and Philly gangster rapper Schoolly D appeared in. The album also featured guest vocals by Ruthless Records artists Dre Dre & D.O.C. along with Rhyme Syndicate rapper Everlast (who was her boyfriend at the time) and production by Quincy (QD3) Jones Jr & Schoolly D.
N.W.A. breakup & other Ruthless artists
Though N.W.A. was highly successful, Dre was advised by The D.O.C. and the rapper's friend, Suge Knight, that he should leave the label to avoid any possible financial meddling by Heller and Eazy[7]; offering to extricate Dre from his Ruthless contract, Suge became such a problem for the label-heads that at one point Eazy even suggested killing him, a move vetoed by Heller[8]. Eventually, Suge succeeded in procuring Dre, D.O.C. and Michel'le's contracts—through reportedly illicit means[9]--and proceeded to set up Death Row Records with the producer.
Now short his main producer, Eazy-E signed various other acts that would assist him in a subsequent rivalry with Death Row, and specifically Dr. Dre. Gangsta Dresta and B.G. Knocc Out were among the most vocal of these rappers, with DJ Yella and new producer Rhythum D producing. While MC Ren stayed neutral, he stayed on Ruthless, putting out several albums. Also on the label at this time were Will 1X and the Atban Klann, a group including the future Will.I.Am and Apl.de.ap, who would later become two parts of the trio The Black Eyed Peas after leaving Ruthless. Eazy released several high-profile albums dissing Dr. Dre, including most famously It's On (Dr. Dre) 187um Killa. Producer Big Hutch/Cold 187 um alleges that during this time period, with Ruthless switching distributors from Priority to Relativity Records, even Wright began to feel as though Heller wasn't being honest with the label's finances:
“When the money started rolling and a lot of cats couldn’t come to the table and renegotiate…. Ya know, it was fucked up! That’s what was wrong. Like Eazy came to me one night and he said “Man, shit is fucked up, man.” Because he was at a point where even he was getting played by Jerry Heller. Eazy-E's death, Tomica Wright ownership
In 1995, Eazy-E was diagnosed with AIDS; he had just signed the five-member group Bone Thugs-n-Harmony, whose debut 1994 E.P. Creepin on ah Come Up became wildly popular. While he executive-produced their first full-length album, E 1999 Eternal, he died of AIDS-related pneumonia[11] before the album's release. Their smash 1995 single "Crossroads" was dedicated to Wright, and helped push the album to multi-platinum success. After his death, the label was taken over by his wife, Tomica Wright; due to a shift in promotions and marketing, the label's artists began leaving for other recording homes—into 1996, only MC Ren and Bone Thugs remained, and even those acts eventually departed, though re-releases of previous projects have appeared since then. Ruthless Records is now a division of Epic Records.
The label has had several distributors simultaneously. Early Ruthless releases were distributed by Macola Records (including certain material from JJ Fad which was made prior to the completion of the Supersonic album, which were at first released on Ruthless' short-lived Dream Team Records subsidiary), but that deal was short lived and the rights reverted to Ruthless. All of N.W.A's releases and Eazy-E's first two solo releases on Ruthless were distributed by Priority Records, and the rights to these releases are now held by Priority's new owner, Capitol Records. Releases by The D.O.C, Michel'le, Yomo & Maulkie and JJ Fad were marketed through Atlantic Records or its subsidiary Atco Records, . These master rights are still held by Atlantic's parent company, Warner Music Group, while Above The Law's releases were marketed through Epic Records. In the early 1990s, Ruthless found more exclusive distribution through Relativity Records, formerly a heavy metal label. Relativity was later folded into its parent company, Sony Music.y
Fazeem Blackall;1053763 said:Ruthless Records was formed as a vehicle for releases by N.W.A., as well as member and founder Eric "Eazy-E" Wright; its first successful single was Eazy's "Boyz-n-the-Hood", followed by N.W.A.'s "Dopeman" and "8-Ball", introductory to the group's N.W.A. and the Posse, a compilation album released under the group's name, albeit not on Ruthless. It also put out singles by underground California acts such as Frost and J.J. Fad, but the label's first full-length release was N.W.A.'s Straight Outta Compton, catapulting both the group and the label to success. Immediately following this was the release of Eazy's solo debut, Eazy-Duz-It, furthering the popularity of the N.W.A. brand.
As the five members went on tour in support of their project, some began to voice their displeasure with the financial situation at Ruthless Records. According to group member MC Ren, it was common opinion that Heller was the one receiving their due:
“We felt he didn’t deserve what he was getting. We deserved that shit. We were the ones making the records, traveling in vans and driving all around the place. You do all those fucking shows trying to get known, and then you come home to a fucking apartment. Then you go to his house, and this motherfucker lives in a mansion. There’s gold leaf trimmings all in the bathroom and all kinds of other shit. You’re thinking, “Man, fuck that.”[2]”The label also experienced outside pressure due to the group. The success of their single "Fuck tha Police" led to a threatening F.B.I. letter to distributor Priority Records[3]. After coming off tour, group member Ice Cube voiced his opinions on the group's finances. Though Heller continually claims that everything was in order, and has even offered them to open the account books to prove his innocence[4], the ensuing confrontation ended in Cube leaving Ruthless without signing on as a solo artist, which the remaining members proceeded to do.
1988 also saw the release of J.J. Fad's gold-certified[5] album Supersonic, singer Michel'le's eponymous self-titled album, and The D.O.C.'s critically-acclaimed No One Can Do It Better (all released through Atlantic), all produced by N.W.A. beatsmith Dr. Dre; following these efforts, Dre returned to N.W.A., producing the 100 Miles and Runnin' E.P. and the group's sophomore effort, Efil4Zaggin, which reached platinum status[6]. Above the Law's Livin' Like Hustlers was also released during this period (by way of Epic Records).
In 1989, Eazy signed Hip-Hop's first white girl rapper Tairrie B to Ruthless' new Comptown label subsidiary. She released her debut album "The Power of A Woman" in 1990 (through MCA Records) featuring the single & video for "Murder She Wrote" which Eazy and Philly gangster rapper Schoolly D appeared in. The album also featured guest vocals by Ruthless Records artists Dre Dre & D.O.C. along with Rhyme Syndicate rapper Everlast (who was her boyfriend at the time) and production by Quincy (QD3) Jones Jr & Schoolly D.
N.W.A. breakup & other Ruthless artists
Though N.W.A. was highly successful, Dre was advised by The D.O.C. and the rapper's friend, Suge Knight, that he should leave the label to avoid any possible financial meddling by Heller and Eazy[7]; offering to extricate Dre from his Ruthless contract, Suge became such a problem for the label-heads that at one point Eazy even suggested killing him, a move vetoed by Heller[8]. Eventually, Suge succeeded in procuring Dre, D.O.C. and Michel'le's contracts—through reportedly illicit means[9]--and proceeded to set up Death Row Records with the producer.
Now short his main producer, Eazy-E signed various other acts that would assist him in a subsequent rivalry with Death Row, and specifically Dr. Dre. Gangsta Dresta and B.G. Knocc Out were among the most vocal of these rappers, with DJ Yella and new producer Rhythum D producing. While MC Ren stayed neutral, he stayed on Ruthless, putting out several albums. Also on the label at this time were Will 1X and the Atban Klann, a group including the future Will.I.Am and Apl.de.ap, who would later become two parts of the trio The Black Eyed Peas after leaving Ruthless. Eazy released several high-profile albums dissing Dr. Dre, including most famously It's On (Dr. Dre) 187um Killa. Producer Big Hutch/Cold 187 um alleges that during this time period, with Ruthless switching distributors from Priority to Relativity Records, even Wright began to feel as though Heller wasn't being honest with the label's finances:
“When the money started rolling and a lot of cats couldn’t come to the table and renegotiate…. Ya know, it was fucked up! That’s what was wrong. Like Eazy came to me one night and he said “Man, shit is fucked up, man.” Because he was at a point where even he was getting played by Jerry Heller. Eazy-E's death, Tomica Wright ownership
In 1995, Eazy-E was diagnosed with AIDS; he had just signed the five-member group Bone Thugs-n-Harmony, whose debut 1994 E.P. Creepin on ah Come Up became wildly popular. While he executive-produced their first full-length album, E 1999 Eternal, he died of AIDS-related pneumonia[11] before the album's release. Their smash 1995 single "Crossroads" was dedicated to Wright, and helped push the album to multi-platinum success. After his death, the label was taken over by his wife, Tomica Wright; due to a shift in promotions and marketing, the label's artists began leaving for other recording homes—into 1996, only MC Ren and Bone Thugs remained, and even those acts eventually departed, though re-releases of previous projects have appeared since then. Ruthless Records is now a division of Epic Records.
The label has had several distributors simultaneously. Early Ruthless releases were distributed by Macola Records (including certain material from JJ Fad which was made prior to the completion of the Supersonic album, which were at first released on Ruthless' short-lived Dream Team Records subsidiary), but that deal was short lived and the rights reverted to Ruthless. All of N.W.A's releases and Eazy-E's first two solo releases on Ruthless were distributed by Priority Records, and the rights to these releases are now held by Priority's new owner, Capitol Records. Releases by The D.O.C, Michel'le, Yomo & Maulkie and JJ Fad were marketed through Atlantic Records or its subsidiary Atco Records, . These master rights are still held by Atlantic's parent company, Warner Music Group, while Above The Law's releases were marketed through Epic Records. In the early 1990s, Ruthless found more exclusive distribution through Relativity Records, formerly a heavy metal label. Relativity was later folded into its parent company, Sony Music.
To be more accurate it would be Jerry Heller Versus Clive Davis Based on your rationale or Eazy-E Versus Puffy or Mc Ren Versus Biggie. All based on a broad application of your logic with out you irrationale stan Bias exempting Biggies actual position in the game...Pretty Fred;1053885 said:so i guess the poll should read Jerry Heller vs. Biggie Smalls
Eazy was a minion.
Fazeem Blackall;1053944 said:To be more accurate it would be Jerry Heller Versus Clive Davis Based on your rationale or Eazy-E Versus Puffy or Mc Ren Versus Biggie. All based on a broad application of your logic with out you irrationale stan Bias exempting Biggies actual position in the game...
We get it you go irrationally hard to justify and defend your Man Biggie, but this delusional shit and grasping for tangents just exposes your Deviant mental instability. So I ask that you please continue to do so as it just supports my point about the groupie mentality and the fanbases that have it...Pretty Fred;1054021 said:except no one in this thread claimed Biggie started Bad Boy or Arista Records.
So no.
Fazeem Blackall;1054085 said:We get it you go irrationally hard to justify and defend your Man Biggie, but this delusional shit and grasping for tangents just exposes your Deviant mental instability. So I ask that you please continue to do so as it just supports my point about the groupie mentality and the fanbases that have it...
Pretty Fred;1053885 said:so i guess the poll should read Jerry Heller vs. Biggie Smalls
Eazy was a minion.
Fazeem Blackall;1053944 said:To be more accurate it would be Jerry Heller Versus Clive Davis Based on your rationale or Eazy-E Versus Puffy or Mc Ren Versus Biggie. All based on a broad application of your logic with out you irrationale stan Bias exempting Biggies actual position in the game...
This confused child calls himself pretty so we cannot expect common sense or any base line logic to make sense to him...sociopath;1053917 said:He had an idea and he was the one that found the talent and formed the group. He's co-founder of the label. Now none of that would be possible without Jerry Heller...Biggie's albums wouldn't have been possible without Puffy, so I don't see your point.
Bottom line is, Eazy did what he had to form the most influential group in rap history.
everyone is entitled to a view but can he back it up is the question???Young-Ice;1056360 said:lol @ the one guy who said neither did a damn thing
Fazeem Blackall;1056090 said:This confused child calls himself pretty so we cannot expect common sense or any base line logic to make sense to him...
Knives Amilli;1074218 said:Lets put it this way: how many people remember the day eazy died on compared to when Biggie died?
You must be on the LEast Coast over Here on the Best coast we remember March 26th 1995 as a sad day...Knives Amilli;1074218 said:Lets put it this way: how many people remember the day eazy died on compared to when Biggie died?
hrap-120;1162800 said:I dont remember when Biggie died, I just remember a bunch of people celebrating.
south4life;1163024 said:Lol Celebrating?
Fazeem Blackall;1163049 said:true shit, Niggaz wanted blood after Pac died and we blew Blunts and got toasted in clebration after retaliation happened and the again when Orlando Got popped...
south4life;1163553 said:Damn!
I can't be mad cause after Pac got killed I was mad too and then Bad Boy got big all of a sudden, so yeah I wanted them to be stopped.
It was like ok Pac out the way, so Bad Boy gets the spotlight now, that made me think they had something to do with it.
And when they went to Cali acting like they ran it, that was the icing on the cake, niggas wanted them dead for real.
How u gonna go to Cali 6 months after Pac gets killed and walk around for 2 weeks like u can't get touched?
That was dumb of Diddy for having Biggie come to Cali that early after Pac's death, going on the radio and everything.