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dre wasn't known until he hooked up with eazy. his reputation and respect stem from there not from the world class wrecking crew. no eazy equals no dre no dre no death row no death row no aftermath no aftermath no shady no shady no g-unit. it all goes back to the company eazy owned - ruthless records.Pretty Fred;1046896 said:You act like Eazy brought Dre into music which is FALSE.
Dre been making music before he linked with E-Z.
So there goes your Dre, Eminem, 50, 7 degrees of seperation boosh*t.
Yes Jay would have a career, great choice of words b/c without Big Jay would be nothing to what he is today.
6 in the morning dropped as a single first.. & speaking inna gangster posture on the mic after someone has originated the style is still coming in 2nd..icame4wo;1046315 said:eazy e aint mimic ice-t or schooly d for his style. no one even makes that claim. his background on the streets of the cpt are well known. the stuff he rapped about, he did. hence the gangster in gangster rap.
nwa and the posse came out 6 days after ice-t's rhyme pays. certainly not enough time to bite someones style and make a record out of it. eazy-e did boyz in the hood back in '86 which was a gangsta record. 6 in the morn came out in 86 as well but i dont know which dropped first. even if 6 in the morn dropped first i would have to see some sort of evidence that eazy took his style from that record. there is none i know. people like mentioning those 2 records you did when trying to pin point who started gangster rap. i have seen it discussed continuously. stop trying to re-write history so biggie can have a greater slice than he deserves. its bad enough people still running around calling him the greatest. even if what you said about them bitin other people, eazy still had a bigger impact that big! i'm still waiting to see what impact big had. its like yous been lied to for the past 10 years to the point where a thread like this can be made and it can be taken seriously. get real my dude! this aint about who started gangsta rap either, its about who had the biggest impact out of eazy and big. if this thread was done about game and krs-1 people would be outraged. yet when it's a west coast veteran who no one cares about you expect us to sit back and not set you straight? c'mon son! if you studying rap history just roll where it takes you. don't take out the eraser and start making changes.
were not talking about who started g rap. the question is who had the biggest impact eazy or big. even if i accept that schooly d created g rap that wouldn't have any bearing on eazy-e's impact being felt more than big's. why dont you give some examples of big's impact instead of trying to change the subject? i have dropped a few gem concerning eazy while you have mentioned nothing of any real significance.rusty shackleford;1051243 said:6 in the morning dropped as a single first.. & speaking inna gangster posture on the mic after someone has originated the style is still coming in 2nd..
hence.. schooly d is the godfather of gangster rap.. read any ice t interview where he speaks on it & you'll see for yourself.. he'll tell you exactly who dropped the 1st gangsta rap album..
BackInWhite;903530 said:i voted eazy
if there's no eazy
there's no dr. dre
there's no deathrow
there's no aftermath
there's no em
there's no 50
there's no bone thugs n harmony
there's no ice cube
there's no are we there yet?
why don't you realize i was responding to a post that declared eazy the godfather of gangsta rap?icame4wo;1051307 said:were not talking about who started g rap. the question is who had the biggest impact eazy or big. even if i accept that schooly d created g rap that wouldn't have any bearing on eazy-e's impact being felt more than big's. why dont you give some examples of big's impact instead of trying to change the subject? i have dropped a few gem concerning eazy while you have mentioned nothing of any real significance.
icame4wo;1049897 said:how many rappers do you think owned their own label back in 1987?
go ask al davis who had the bigger impact.
alot of gold and platinum records came out of ruthless.
icame4wo;1049819 said:But if Big didnt have such an impact on the game, why would people even care that hes the "new" Big?
exactly.
2 things. 1. i never said he didn't have ANY impact. pay attention, this is about who had the biggest impact. 2. we dont care who's the new big. there is no such thing as the new big. but seriously who do you think cares about this?
And no one is marketing Big fool, they are using his likeness to create shock and controversy.
hello, using his likeness is marketing him. they have caused controversy and shock by using big but i dont think that was their intent. at the end of the day neither of us knows their reasoning. they probably dont. lol
puffy still owns biggies catalog. if you think he's not getting some sales of past biggie albums your crazy. i just posted some gold and platinum numbers the other day. they show you when albums go multi platinum. a album could be released last year, go platinum then go 2X platinum the next year. why? because people still buy the albums. so as long as big stays relevant with this top 5 stuff, he's the goat, king of ny etc. diddy will continue to get paid from record sells. my problem with it is that all of that has been marketed to us since big died. it was repeated often and just stuck with us. i'm not saying it's impossible to think he was the greatest. however for people to keep systematically saying the same thing about him over and over but cant even show valid reasons for it or cant refute valid reasons that have been posed to you. i tend to think you are just the product of hip hop marketing at its finest. you bought into the biggie brand. you cant just like him or even love him n/h you just have to proclaim him as the best. even eazy-e's legacy has to take a backseat to a man who died with one album. lol
Is Diddy pushing a new Big single.
does he have anymore songs left? he got two or three posthumously from him right?
never said he did.. i just said he isn't the godfather of anything even remotely related to originating the gangster rap style..icame4wo;1051674 said:i know you was but you didn't respond to anything else. ruthless records was started with drug money, eazy e was a gangster. he aint borrow being a gangster from anyone.
mimicking & stealing are two completely different actions... i never said they stole dudes style.. they just copied what was already an established style.. whether they knew it or not.icame4wo;1051674 said:ha? it's not a historical fact that eazy e bit schooly d or ice-t. ice-t and ice cube have both said in the past the invented g rap.people keep mentioning scholy d not realizing that there are a million rappers who never got props. to say 100% schooly d was the first gangsa rapper would require nowledge you simply dont have. no one has heard everything that has been released. im tired of hearing about schooly d ever time this subject comes up, just say he was the first widely known g rapper. and lets give props were due, nwa popularized it not schooly d. show me nwz, eazy-e or ice-t stealing schooly d's style though or even 6 in the morn since you want to go there anyway.
again.. no matter what either one of us is able to point to as proof of a bigger impact..icame4wo;1051674 said:these are all good to show big's impact but how is it greater than eazy's? everything you said could be said about eazy. you dont think people have emulated him? you know game has a tat of him right? you keep trying to compare big the rapper against eazy e the rapper/rap entrepreneur. at the same time you want to ignore eazy's contributions off of the mic which is another area where he had a impact. go ask naughty who had the bigger impact.
.. it's still a matter of opinion..^^^icame4wo;1051674 said:i disagree.
eazy e > biggie
Fazeem Blackall;1046045 said:It is funny that the most hardcore Biggie Supporters in this thread have named nothing and are a open Homo and a guy who calls himself pretty. It seems that only the ignorant, confused and delusional can say that Biggie had more Impact on HipHop Culture then Eazy-E...
Fazeem Blackall;1049710 said:I just cannot take any male that calls himself Pretty seriously, especially when the out the closet Kat keeps cosigning his points, it would make sense that gender confused men stick together having Biggie and eminem as their favorites and irrationally stan for them...
Tree Fiddy;1049718 said:Hahaha wow, people are so fucking stupid
Pretty Fred;1051698 said:None, but Jerry Heller was caked up off of rappers who thought they owned their own sh*t.
Eazy takes an L.
so eazy-e aint own ruthless? thats what you saying?Pretty Fred;1051698 said:None, but Jerry Heller was caked up off of rappers who thought they owned their own sh*t.
Eazy takes an L.
Pretty Fred;1051734 said:"hello, using his likeness is marketing him."
-no its not. Its marketing Rick Ross to Biggie fans. How can you market something without a product? Ross is the product, they are comparing him to Big, they are not selling Big, they are selling Ross, get it?
you would have to buy big in order to buy into ross, get it?
"puffy still owns biggies catalog. if you think he's not getting some sales of past biggie albums your crazy"
What did you think after Big died no one would buy his music anymore??? Big will sell for the rest of time, no matter what, you think people are buying Big records because of Ross' promotion today? GTFOH.
why is that hard to believe? you just said people would buy ross because of big. why wouldnt that go both ways?
" saying the same thing about him over and over but cant even show valid reasons for it"
How many reasons you need for you to understand, because look back through this thread you'll find plenty.
you have shown me plenty of biggies impact but not how the impact is greater than eazy-e's.
icame4wo;1053130 said:so eazy-e aint own ruthless? thats what you saying?
icame4wo;1053247 said:Pretty Fred;1051734 said:"hello, using his likeness is marketing him."
-no its not. Its marketing Rick Ross to Biggie fans. How can you market something without a product? Ross is the product, they are comparing him to Big, they are not selling Big, they are selling Ross, get it?
you would have to buy big in order to buy into ross, get it?
"puffy still owns biggies catalog. if you think he's not getting some sales of past biggie albums your crazy"
What did you think after Big died no one would buy his music anymore??? Big will sell for the rest of time, no matter what, you think people are buying Big records because of Ross' promotion today? GTFOH.
why is that hard to believe? you just said people would buy ross because of big. why wouldnt that go both ways?
" saying the same thing about him over and over but cant even show valid reasons for it"
How many reasons you need for you to understand, because look back through this thread you'll find plenty.
you have shown me plenty of biggies impact but not how the impact is greater than eazy-e's.
Thats weird b/c im a fan of Biggie, but yet i don't own 1 rick ross album, single, or mixtape.
in the end this all comes down to opinion.
I guess me being from the east, brooklyn i don't care for an Eazy-E, don't own any records of him, never will. He couldn't rap to save his life, and he handled his business in the worst way possible.
If that is leaving an impact on the game, i don't know what to say.
