Who do ya'll consider the greatest "over-achiever'' in hiphop history?

[usmarin3]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...y-rapper-score-film-adaptation_n_2388948.html

Seems like Jay Z is in the process of getting one as well. I read somewhere that he's working on a soundtrack for the movie The Great Gatsby with songs he already did and some new songs we probably haven't heard.

If he gets one he will officially complete the EGOT, not too many people have those. All he is missing is the Oscar

Emmy

Grammy

Oscar

Tony

 

[Disciplined InSight]

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I label niggas elitist, because anything that doesn't fit in their ''little box'' of what hiphop is they call commercial, having no substance, etc. Who the fuck is anyone to say what hiphop is or what substance is to the next man, just because you don't relate to it.

What is this "little box" you speak of when you speak of elitist (stupid ass term by the way).

You ever heard of the word VERSATILITY? I'm sure you have.

And to answer the question of this thread: Jay-Z no doubt.

If the production ain't on some Dilla, Premo, Pete Rock and the subject matter ain't on (fuck whitey, 5 percent, i'm in the streets) shit then it's whack to ya'll.

So when Niggas like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price,etc does one thing (conscious, street) rap their whole career for the most part, they don't get knocked for not being versatile. Then when someone like Nelly, etc who make ''fun'' records do their thing, they get called one dimensional.

Most of those back pack niggas ya'll stan are one dimensional as fuck. How many premo-esque beats are they gonna rap on about (conscious, backpacker,etc) shit.

^^^^Flawed logic.

Just because these artists/producers didn't go your idol/elohim Jay-Z route doesn't make them lesser artists.

You're acting like Dilla, Premier, Pete Rock didn't do any "commercial" joints..

You're acting like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price never did any "commercial" joints. Take back Sean Price. He's been "one dimensional" all his career.

You ever heard of doing something by choice?

 

[StillFaggyAF]

50 Cent and Master P. And Birdman

 

[usmarin3]

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I label niggas elitist, because anything that doesn't fit in their ''little box'' of what hiphop is they call commercial, having no substance, etc. Who the fuck is anyone to say what hiphop is or what substance is to the next man, just because you don't relate to it.

What is this "little box" you speak of when you speak of elitist (stupid ass term by the way).

You ever heard of the word VERSATILITY? I'm sure you have.

And to answer the question of this thread: Jay-Z no doubt.

If the production ain't on some Dilla, Premo, Pete Rock and the subject matter ain't on (fuck whitey, 5 percent, i'm in the streets) shit then it's whack to ya'll.

So when Niggas like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price,etc does one thing (conscious, street) rap their whole career for the most part, they don't get knocked for not being versatile. Then when someone like Nelly, etc who make ''fun'' records do their thing, they get called one dimensional.

Most of those back pack niggas ya'll stan are one dimensional as fuck. How many premo-esque beats are they gonna rap on about (conscious, backpacker,etc) shit.

^^^^Flawed logic.

Just because these artists/producers didn't go your idol/elohim Jay-Z route doesn't make them lesser artists.

You're acting like Dilla, Premier, Pete Rock didn't do any "commercial" joints..

You're acting like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price never did any "commercial" joints. Take back Sean Price. He's been "one dimensional" all his career.

You ever heard of doing something by choice?

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I label niggas elitist, because anything that doesn't fit in their ''little box'' of what hiphop is they call commercial, having no substance, etc. Who the fuck is anyone to say what hiphop is or what substance is to the next man, just because you don't relate to it.

What is this "little box" you speak of when you speak of elitist (stupid ass term by the way).

You ever heard of the word VERSATILITY? I'm sure you have.

And to answer the question of this thread: Jay-Z no doubt.

If the production ain't on some Dilla, Premo, Pete Rock and the subject matter ain't on (fuck whitey, 5 percent, i'm in the streets) shit then it's whack to ya'll.

So when Niggas like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price,etc does one thing (conscious, street) rap their whole career for the most part, they don't get knocked for not being versatile. Then when someone like Nelly, etc who make ''fun'' records do their thing, they get called one dimensional.

Most of those back pack niggas ya'll stan are one dimensional as fuck. How many premo-esque beats are they gonna rap on about (conscious, backpacker,etc) shit.

^^^^Flawed logic.

Just because these artists/producers didn't go your idol/elohim Jay-Z route doesn't make them lesser artists.

You're acting like Dilla, Premier, Pete Rock didn't do any "commercial" joints..

You're acting like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price never did any "commercial" joints. Take back Sean Price. He's been "one dimensional" all his career.

You ever heard of doing something by choice?

They did try to go that way, but they have no commercial appeal so it didn't cross over. Talib, Mos,etc have all tried to make commercial cross over songs before (Ms. Fat Booty, Never Been in Love, Outstanding,etc).

No one is saying they're lesser artist, but niggas need to stop being hypocrites. You can't shit on niggas for doing shit you're favorite rapper does.

You know damn well what i mean by Dilla, Premo, PR,etc, that BOOM BAP underground sound, not their commercial stuff.

Nelly, Jay, Wayne, TI,etc all have done records that's touched on heavier stuff (Meet the Parents, Georgia Bush,Luven Me,etc).

 

[Disciplined InSight]

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I label niggas elitist, because anything that doesn't fit in their ''little box'' of what hiphop is they call commercial, having no substance, etc. Who the fuck is anyone to say what hiphop is or what substance is to the next man, just because you don't relate to it.

What is this "little box" you speak of when you speak of elitist (stupid ass term by the way).

You ever heard of the word VERSATILITY? I'm sure you have.

And to answer the question of this thread: Jay-Z no doubt.

If the production ain't on some Dilla, Premo, Pete Rock and the subject matter ain't on (fuck whitey, 5 percent, i'm in the streets) shit then it's whack to ya'll.

So when Niggas like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price,etc does one thing (conscious, street) rap their whole career for the most part, they don't get knocked for not being versatile. Then when someone like Nelly, etc who make ''fun'' records do their thing, they get called one dimensional.

Most of those back pack niggas ya'll stan are one dimensional as fuck. How many premo-esque beats are they gonna rap on about (conscious, backpacker,etc) shit.

^^^^Flawed logic.

Just because these artists/producers didn't go your idol/elohim Jay-Z route doesn't make them lesser artists.

You're acting like Dilla, Premier, Pete Rock didn't do any "commercial" joints..

You're acting like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price never did any "commercial" joints. Take back Sean Price. He's been "one dimensional" all his career.

You ever heard of doing something by choice?

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I label niggas elitist, because anything that doesn't fit in their ''little box'' of what hiphop is they call commercial, having no substance, etc. Who the fuck is anyone to say what hiphop is or what substance is to the next man, just because you don't relate to it.

What is this "little box" you speak of when you speak of elitist (stupid ass term by the way).

You ever heard of the word VERSATILITY? I'm sure you have.

And to answer the question of this thread: Jay-Z no doubt.

If the production ain't on some Dilla, Premo, Pete Rock and the subject matter ain't on (fuck whitey, 5 percent, i'm in the streets) shit then it's whack to ya'll.

So when Niggas like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price,etc does one thing (conscious, street) rap their whole career for the most part, they don't get knocked for not being versatile. Then when someone like Nelly, etc who make ''fun'' records do their thing, they get called one dimensional.

Most of those back pack niggas ya'll stan are one dimensional as fuck. How many premo-esque beats are they gonna rap on about (conscious, backpacker,etc) shit.

^^^^Flawed logic.

Just because these artists/producers didn't go your idol/elohim Jay-Z route doesn't make them lesser artists.

You're acting like Dilla, Premier, Pete Rock didn't do any "commercial" joints..

You're acting like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price never did any "commercial" joints. Take back Sean Price. He's been "one dimensional" all his career.

You ever heard of doing something by choice?

They did try to go that way, but they have no commercial appeal so it didn't cross over. Talib, Mos,etc have all tried to make commercial cross over songs before (Ms. Fat Booty, Never Been in Love, Outstanding,etc).

No one is saying they're lesser artist, but niggas need to stop being hypocrites. You can't shit on niggas for doing shit you're favorite rapper does.

You know damn well what i mean by Dilla, Premo, PR,etc, that BOOM BAP underground sound, not their commercial stuff.

Nelly, Jay, Wayne, TI,etc all have done records that's touched on heavier stuff (Meet the Parents, Georgia Bush,Luven Me,etc).

The BOOM BAP is Hip Hop and always have been. The "other shit" ADDED to the BOOM BAP is commecial. Get over it.

What's the main anchor/element that gives these artists "commercial appeal"?

*waits for it, waits for it*

 

[usmarin3]

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I label niggas elitist, because anything that doesn't fit in their ''little box'' of what hiphop is they call commercial, having no substance, etc. Who the fuck is anyone to say what hiphop is or what substance is to the next man, just because you don't relate to it.

What is this "little box" you speak of when you speak of elitist (stupid ass term by the way).

You ever heard of the word VERSATILITY? I'm sure you have.

And to answer the question of this thread: Jay-Z no doubt.

If the production ain't on some Dilla, Premo, Pete Rock and the subject matter ain't on (fuck whitey, 5 percent, i'm in the streets) shit then it's whack to ya'll.

So when Niggas like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price,etc does one thing (conscious, street) rap their whole career for the most part, they don't get knocked for not being versatile. Then when someone like Nelly, etc who make ''fun'' records do their thing, they get called one dimensional.

Most of those back pack niggas ya'll stan are one dimensional as fuck. How many premo-esque beats are they gonna rap on about (conscious, backpacker,etc) shit.

^^^^Flawed logic.

Just because these artists/producers didn't go your idol/elohim Jay-Z route doesn't make them lesser artists.

You're acting like Dilla, Premier, Pete Rock didn't do any "commercial" joints..

You're acting like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price never did any "commercial" joints. Take back Sean Price. He's been "one dimensional" all his career.

You ever heard of doing something by choice?

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I label niggas elitist, because anything that doesn't fit in their ''little box'' of what hiphop is they call commercial, having no substance, etc. Who the fuck is anyone to say what hiphop is or what substance is to the next man, just because you don't relate to it.

What is this "little box" you speak of when you speak of elitist (stupid ass term by the way).

You ever heard of the word VERSATILITY? I'm sure you have.

And to answer the question of this thread: Jay-Z no doubt.

If the production ain't on some Dilla, Premo, Pete Rock and the subject matter ain't on (fuck whitey, 5 percent, i'm in the streets) shit then it's whack to ya'll.

So when Niggas like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price,etc does one thing (conscious, street) rap their whole career for the most part, they don't get knocked for not being versatile. Then when someone like Nelly, etc who make ''fun'' records do their thing, they get called one dimensional.

Most of those back pack niggas ya'll stan are one dimensional as fuck. How many premo-esque beats are they gonna rap on about (conscious, backpacker,etc) shit.

^^^^Flawed logic.

Just because these artists/producers didn't go your idol/elohim Jay-Z route doesn't make them lesser artists.

You're acting like Dilla, Premier, Pete Rock didn't do any "commercial" joints..

You're acting like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price never did any "commercial" joints. Take back Sean Price. He's been "one dimensional" all his career.

You ever heard of doing something by choice?

They did try to go that way, but they have no commercial appeal so it didn't cross over. Talib, Mos,etc have all tried to make commercial cross over songs before (Ms. Fat Booty, Never Been in Love, Outstanding,etc).

No one is saying they're lesser artist, but niggas need to stop being hypocrites. You can't shit on niggas for doing shit you're favorite rapper does.

You know damn well what i mean by Dilla, Premo, PR,etc, that BOOM BAP underground sound, not their commercial stuff.

Nelly, Jay, Wayne, TI,etc all have done records that's touched on heavier stuff (Meet the Parents, Georgia Bush,Luven Me,etc).

The BOOM BAP is Hip Hop and always have been. The "other shit" ADDED to the BOOM BAP is commecial. Get over it.

What's the main anchor/element that gives these artists "commercial appeal"?

*waits for it, waits for it*

and commercial raps has always been a part of the culture. Rappers Delight is commercial, Basketball is commercial, Freaks come out at night is commercial, My Adidas is commercial,etc.

What gives artist commercial appeal? What makes someone a star, it's that certain ''it'' factor that you can't quantify that separates people like Pac, Jay, Biggie from the niggas like Mos, AZ, Talib,etc. Certain people just posses a star quality that shines brighter than others.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I label niggas elitist, because anything that doesn't fit in their ''little box'' of what hiphop is they call commercial, having no substance, etc. Who the fuck is anyone to say what hiphop is or what substance is to the next man, just because you don't relate to it.

What is this "little box" you speak of when you speak of elitist (stupid ass term by the way).

You ever heard of the word VERSATILITY? I'm sure you have.

And to answer the question of this thread: Jay-Z no doubt.

If the production ain't on some Dilla, Premo, Pete Rock and the subject matter ain't on (fuck whitey, 5 percent, i'm in the streets) shit then it's whack to ya'll.

So when Niggas like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price,etc does one thing (conscious, street) rap their whole career for the most part, they don't get knocked for not being versatile. Then when someone like Nelly, etc who make ''fun'' records do their thing, they get called one dimensional.

Most of those back pack niggas ya'll stan are one dimensional as fuck. How many premo-esque beats are they gonna rap on about (conscious, backpacker,etc) shit.

^^^^Flawed logic.

Just because these artists/producers didn't go your idol/elohim Jay-Z route doesn't make them lesser artists.

You're acting like Dilla, Premier, Pete Rock didn't do any "commercial" joints..

You're acting like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price never did any "commercial" joints. Take back Sean Price. He's been "one dimensional" all his career.

You ever heard of doing something by choice?

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I label niggas elitist, because anything that doesn't fit in their ''little box'' of what hiphop is they call commercial, having no substance, etc. Who the fuck is anyone to say what hiphop is or what substance is to the next man, just because you don't relate to it.

What is this "little box" you speak of when you speak of elitist (stupid ass term by the way).

You ever heard of the word VERSATILITY? I'm sure you have.

And to answer the question of this thread: Jay-Z no doubt.

If the production ain't on some Dilla, Premo, Pete Rock and the subject matter ain't on (fuck whitey, 5 percent, i'm in the streets) shit then it's whack to ya'll.

So when Niggas like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price,etc does one thing (conscious, street) rap their whole career for the most part, they don't get knocked for not being versatile. Then when someone like Nelly, etc who make ''fun'' records do their thing, they get called one dimensional.

Most of those back pack niggas ya'll stan are one dimensional as fuck. How many premo-esque beats are they gonna rap on about (conscious, backpacker,etc) shit.

^^^^Flawed logic.

Just because these artists/producers didn't go your idol/elohim Jay-Z route doesn't make them lesser artists.

You're acting like Dilla, Premier, Pete Rock didn't do any "commercial" joints..

You're acting like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price never did any "commercial" joints. Take back Sean Price. He's been "one dimensional" all his career.

You ever heard of doing something by choice?

They did try to go that way, but they have no commercial appeal so it didn't cross over. Talib, Mos,etc have all tried to make commercial cross over songs before (Ms. Fat Booty, Never Been in Love, Outstanding,etc).

No one is saying they're lesser artist, but niggas need to stop being hypocrites. You can't shit on niggas for doing shit you're favorite rapper does.

You know damn well what i mean by Dilla, Premo, PR,etc, that BOOM BAP underground sound, not their commercial stuff.

Nelly, Jay, Wayne, TI,etc all have done records that's touched on heavier stuff (Meet the Parents, Georgia Bush,Luven Me,etc).

The BOOM BAP is Hip Hop and always have been. The "other shit" ADDED to the BOOM BAP is commecial. Get over it.

What's the main anchor/element that gives these artists "commercial appeal"?

*waits for it, waits for it*

and commercial raps has always been a part of the culture. Rappers Delight is commercial, Basketball is commercial, Freaks come out at night is commercial, My Adidas is commercial,etc.

What gives artist commercial appeal? What makes someone a star, it's that certain ''it'' factor that you can't quantify that separates people like Pac, Jay, Biggie from the niggas like Mos, AZ, Talib,etc. Certain people just posses a star quality that shines brighter than others.

You said:

"and commercial raps has always been a part of the culture. Rappers Delight is commercial, Basketball is commercial, Freaks come out at night is commercial, My Adidas is commercial,etc. "

I was waiting for it but you didn't say it. But you're partially right...and wrong.

Once again: what determines "star quality"? Or should I say who determines "star quality"?

Why didn't these artists receive any accolades for these "commercial" hits, even though those artists back then didn't give a fuck about any accolades? Why wasn't it well received nationally and not just on the radios in the hoods of Ghettoville, U.S.A?

*waits for it again*

 

[usmarin3]

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I label niggas elitist, because anything that doesn't fit in their ''little box'' of what hiphop is they call commercial, having no substance, etc. Who the fuck is anyone to say what hiphop is or what substance is to the next man, just because you don't relate to it.

What is this "little box" you speak of when you speak of elitist (stupid ass term by the way).

You ever heard of the word VERSATILITY? I'm sure you have.

And to answer the question of this thread: Jay-Z no doubt.

If the production ain't on some Dilla, Premo, Pete Rock and the subject matter ain't on (fuck whitey, 5 percent, i'm in the streets) shit then it's whack to ya'll.

So when Niggas like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price,etc does one thing (conscious, street) rap their whole career for the most part, they don't get knocked for not being versatile. Then when someone like Nelly, etc who make ''fun'' records do their thing, they get called one dimensional.

Most of those back pack niggas ya'll stan are one dimensional as fuck. How many premo-esque beats are they gonna rap on about (conscious, backpacker,etc) shit.

^^^^Flawed logic.

Just because these artists/producers didn't go your idol/elohim Jay-Z route doesn't make them lesser artists.

You're acting like Dilla, Premier, Pete Rock didn't do any "commercial" joints..

You're acting like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price never did any "commercial" joints. Take back Sean Price. He's been "one dimensional" all his career.

You ever heard of doing something by choice?

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I'm goin with Nelly...Wayne & Ja Rule are up there too..

and lol at being labeled an "ELITIST" because you want meaning and substance in music..niggas on here I swear lol..

I label niggas elitist, because anything that doesn't fit in their ''little box'' of what hiphop is they call commercial, having no substance, etc. Who the fuck is anyone to say what hiphop is or what substance is to the next man, just because you don't relate to it.

What is this "little box" you speak of when you speak of elitist (stupid ass term by the way).

You ever heard of the word VERSATILITY? I'm sure you have.

And to answer the question of this thread: Jay-Z no doubt.

If the production ain't on some Dilla, Premo, Pete Rock and the subject matter ain't on (fuck whitey, 5 percent, i'm in the streets) shit then it's whack to ya'll.

So when Niggas like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price,etc does one thing (conscious, street) rap their whole career for the most part, they don't get knocked for not being versatile. Then when someone like Nelly, etc who make ''fun'' records do their thing, they get called one dimensional.

Most of those back pack niggas ya'll stan are one dimensional as fuck. How many premo-esque beats are they gonna rap on about (conscious, backpacker,etc) shit.

^^^^Flawed logic.

Just because these artists/producers didn't go your idol/elohim Jay-Z route doesn't make them lesser artists.

You're acting like Dilla, Premier, Pete Rock didn't do any "commercial" joints..

You're acting like Mos Def, Talib, Sean Price never did any "commercial" joints. Take back Sean Price. He's been "one dimensional" all his career.

You ever heard of doing something by choice?

They did try to go that way, but they have no commercial appeal so it didn't cross over. Talib, Mos,etc have all tried to make commercial cross over songs before (Ms. Fat Booty, Never Been in Love, Outstanding,etc).

No one is saying they're lesser artist, but niggas need to stop being hypocrites. You can't shit on niggas for doing shit you're favorite rapper does.

You know damn well what i mean by Dilla, Premo, PR,etc, that BOOM BAP underground sound, not their commercial stuff.

Nelly, Jay, Wayne, TI,etc all have done records that's touched on heavier stuff (Meet the Parents, Georgia Bush,Luven Me,etc).

The BOOM BAP is Hip Hop and always have been. The "other shit" ADDED to the BOOM BAP is commecial. Get over it.

What's the main anchor/element that gives these artists "commercial appeal"?

*waits for it, waits for it*

and commercial raps has always been a part of the culture. Rappers Delight is commercial, Basketball is commercial, Freaks come out at night is commercial, My Adidas is commercial,etc.

What gives artist commercial appeal? What makes someone a star, it's that certain ''it'' factor that you can't quantify that separates people like Pac, Jay, Biggie from the niggas like Mos, AZ, Talib,etc. Certain people just posses a star quality that shines brighter than others.

You said:

"and commercial raps has always been a part of the culture. Rappers Delight is commercial, Basketball is commercial, Freaks come out at night is commercial, My Adidas is commercial,etc. "

I was waiting for it but you didn't say it. But you're partially right...and wrong.

Once again: what determines "star quality"? Or should I say who determines "star quality"?

Why didn't these artists receive any accolades for these "commercial" hits, even though those artists back then didn't give a fuck about any accolades? Why wasn't it well received nationally and not just on the radios in the hoods of Ghettoville, U.S.A?

*waits for it again*

LOL at what determines star quality, come on dude, don't play dumb. You know people like Michael Jackson, Prince, etc have that certain quality or thing that makes them transcend their genre.

Who determines star quality, the people and the artist talent.

Those artist from the 80s didn't recieve accolades because the genre was just starting up and the mainstream media/music community thought rap was a fad back then. LOL at the artist back then didn't give a fuck about accolades, then why did they sign to major labels then, why not just make raps for their niggas then. If you sign to a record label, that means you want as much people as possible to hear your music.

There is a reason why songs like Rappers delight crossed over first out of all the rap song. It was commercial and fun record. There was a reason why Kurtis Blow was the first rapper to get a a major deal, because he made good commercial records.

 

[DOPEdweebz]

Drake ... in terms of who he was

Nelly in terms of overall skill, imo.

Wayne it terms of trasnformation from point a to b imo he both overachieved then underachieved.

 

[Wild Self]

It's Jay-Z, you stan. No pro-black rapper will ever get the 9-figure income cause fans hate something that challenges them.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

LOL at what determines star quality, come on dude, don't play dumb. You know people like Michael Jackson, Prince, etc have that certain quality or thing that makes them transcend their genre.

Who determines star quality, the people and the artist talent.

Those artist from the 80s didn't recieve accolades because the genre was just starting up and the mainstream media/music community thought rap was a fad back then. LOL at the artist back then didn't give a fuck about accolades, then why did they sign to major labels then, why not just make raps for their niggas then. If you sign to a record label, that means you want as much people as possible to hear your music.

There is a reason why songs like Rappers delight crossed over first out of all the rap song. It was commercial and fun record. There was a reason why Kurtis Blow was the first rapper to get a a major deal, because he made good commercial records. [/quote]

You still didn't hit the mark. The bold point shows you were close yet..you just didn't say it.

You're just beating around the bush...I'll say it for you then. White people.

White executives made it possible for Kurtis Blow to be first rapper with a gold record. Who bought those records back then when Whites thought it was a fad? Black kids in the hood. But now since they know it isn't a fad they want a piece of what we've created and suck it dry like they did all the other Black invented music and they're still vampires.

Imagine if white people got on Hip Hop like we did back then...he would've went platinum.

 

[usmarin3]

Just say what's on your mind you blues clues ass nigga, do i look like clairvoyant to you?

 

[Lab Baby]

LOL at what determines star quality, come on dude, don't play dumb. You know people like Michael Jackson, Prince, etc have that certain quality or thing that makes them transcend their genre.

Who determines star quality, the people and the artist talent.

Those artist from the 80s didn't recieve accolades because the genre was just starting up and the mainstream media/music community thought rap was a fad back then. LOL at the artist back then didn't give a fuck about accolades, then why did they sign to major labels then, why not just make raps for their niggas then. If you sign to a record label, that means you want as much people as possible to hear your music.

There is a reason why songs like Rappers delight crossed over first out of all the rap song. It was commercial and fun record. There was a reason why Kurtis Blow was the first rapper to get a a major deal, because he made good commercial records.

This used to be the case, but now (or at least at some point) the labels can create a star based on hype and promotion. An artist can make another Rapper's Delight, and have the same amount of talent and overall qualities as those artists, but if they don't have that initial buzz, the labels won't deal with them.

Look at Chief Keef. We all know dude is hot dookie butter and a missing chromosome away from being a do do bird, but Interscope believed in him because he had Youtube views. They tried to capitalize off his buzz, but failed because outside his niche crowd, the public wasn't feelin him. Now, if he did succeed like Soulja Boy before, people would look at him and say he's a star. Speaking of which, Soulja Boy was a "star", but none of his music is hitting right now.

It takes more than "swag" and star quality to make a credible artist. You gotta have skills and musical ability. You mentioned MJ and Prince, but them dudes were musical geniuses. They wouldn't lasted half as long in the game if they didn't have talent. Labels have been focusing so much on buzz and mistaking it for true star quality that it's starting to blow up in their face, word to Kreayshawn.

 

[T. Sanford]

Lets throw in some producers, Nitti Beatz and Ron Brownz garbage asses.

My cousin is signed under that nigga label

and you don't laugh at him during family reunions?

actually, I'm not really cool with that nigga anymore. That nigga did a hoe move


that's him that was getting interviewed

 

[soulbrother]

Waka Flaka Flames

 

[sully]

Insane Clown Posse

You're trying to tell me that 2 white guys rapping from Detroit with clown makeup on and doing their thing on the independent circuit have been doing it longer than your favourite rapper, and with a following that's more loyal than almost any other fanbase, and more psychotic than most fanbases?

And they've put out more albums and sold more albums than most rappers.

I don't even listen to their music. I've never bumped a single song by them, and couldn't tell you the first thing about them. But what they've done is the definition of overachieving.

 

[Hero!387]

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[Hero!387]

Jay-Z most of my comment didn't post i'ma try it again

 

[R.D.]

niggas really saying Wayne and Jay like these niggas cant rap