White Supremacist rally in Charlottesville

[Plutarch]

You view the comparisons as unconductive, others such as myself view them as a warning and a call to action

Just a small correction: "unconducive" (or at least that's what I thought I typed). Comparisons to Hitler, especially rash ones, can be unproductive, imo. There's a reason why Godwin's law exists.

I believe that you can easily and more effectively criticize Trump and raise a warning and call to action without comparing him to Hitler. Some people, I think rightfully so, perceive the Hitler comparisons to be part of the wave of sensationalism and uncritical hyperbole that lessens the credibility of such criticism.

Trump isnt going to exterminate millions of Mexicans but dude is unhinged and is surrounded by ppl with highly problematic views

I agree very much so. He has always been unfit to be president. This is obvious, no?

And we see how his tactics and xenophobic rhetoric have already emboldened the worst among us

Yes and no? I don't subscribe to the idea of blaming one person for the actions of another, if that's what you're saying. I don't blame Judas Priest for that boy's suicide. I don't blame J.D. Salinger (sp.?) for the Lennon assassination. Yes, Trump and others have bred a climate, but generally speaking, we should blame those emboldened racists themselves. If anything, at least we now know where our enemies stand now that they've crawled out of their caves.

The media often either leans to the right or left of the political spectrum but generally speaking that is no means discount the system of checks and balances the press provides

We disagree. I have much less faith in the press than you do. I don't criticize the left or right leanings. I criticize the distortion of attack on facts or "truth."

We should all be getting our news from multiple sources anyways

Of course, I've never said anything to the contrary...I hope.

 

[PILL_COSBY]

LOL david fucking duke was out there getting all kinds of love WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where the fuck did he come from?

 

[Plutarch]

By ppl i meant the protestors who gathered together to protest Charlottesville's plan to remove statues of men who viewed the ownership of african ppl as proper and or a god given right

In that case, I can agree with you, but I believe we were talking about slightly different subjects.

Who share the sentiment that their whiteness is under attack or and their country is being taken away from them

Heh, I know I'll get even more hate for this, but I believe that in some to many cases, whiteness has been under attack, whether for good or bad. And I'm sure some of them do believe that their country is being taken away from them, but they're just idiots. But there's much more to it. I'm sure some of them believe they are defending history, heritage, etc.

Many of whom self identify as alt right, white supremacist, white nationalist, Trump supporters, neo Nazis, Confederate sympathisers, etc

Yes...

Witch hunt? Lol

Yes...

Can i say all those ppl are David duke acolytes for sure, no

Yes...

But many of these same ppl were marching with torches and were chanting "blood and soil" which is a Nazi slogan, rallying call

Yes...

Thats a fact...

Yes...

Yes thankfully only 3 ppl died and a 19 were injured. One blk man was brutally assaulted by a group of white protestors chanting slurs

Yes, and I'm sure others were too, and that is unacceptable, regardless. I'm a fan of law (cautiously), order, and peace, so I place heavy blame on the police or their supervisors. It seems they were derelict in their duty, and matters should have never risen to that level.

I hate to say it, but those white protesters had a right to march/protest. That's the "beauty" of America, where you should be free to do as you please as long as you don't directly violate another person. They apparently even had a permit. Counter-protesters had their rights as well. But anyone on either side who resorted to violence should have been promptly arrested,and then maybe 3 people wouldn't have died and others wouldn't have been injured.

 

[Plutarch]

Still that doesnt prove the alt right and their affiliates arent a significant violent threat

True. But if you're going to argue the opposite, you still have yet to prove it. I simply believe that they aren't a significant violent threat because there's no evidence, and they are a fringe group, imo. The only reason their leaders are barely "popular" is because the media covers them sometimes.

And regardless as i suggested the ppl who marched and ppl who think like them are indeed our neighbors and thus a direct and indirect threat to the safety AND liberty of ppl of color, Muslims, jews, etc. And honestly I worry more about what these ppl can do in positions of power and influence than anything else

Eh, I agree and disagree. But I think I mostly agree. Regardless, like I said, I distinguish between thoughts/words and actions. The latter can be far more dangerous and exclusively subject to law and force. And like I said, the racist loser kid who weighs 500 pounds, plays around with memes, and lives with his mother is typically less dangerous than a Steve Bannon.

That said, free speech is a two way street. Say what u want but than others are free to organize and respond as they see fit....and as long as they dont break any laws

I could've sworn I said just this exact same thing...so yeah, I agree 100%. But once again, just to add, hate speech can be protected free speech in America, and it should be that way in America.

 

[MallyG]

I'm watching Paris Dennard on CNN right now on this panel and he is an Ultimate Fuck Nigga!

This nikka ova here Savion Glover tap dancin'! I wish someone would snuff this Tinker Belle voiced bitch already.

 

[b'mer...]

 

[b'mer...]

@MallyG you are correct!!!

 

[Plutarch]

You keep trying to paint these marchers and those who share their sentiments as being harmless unemployed losers with the exception of a few potentially homicidal crazies

That's not quite the picture I wanted to paint, so if that is indeed the picture, then I apologize for being a piss-poor painter.

Thats not true lol

Eh, yes, not entirely true. They're all certainly not harmless. But I still contend (and this is one of my main points), that they're not as "big" as many people claim them to be. This is the alt right we're talking about. Wait, maybe you're not just talking about the alt right. If not, then I agree. I already agreed with you in a recent post.

Many of the ppl carrying the torches and chanting blood and soil in the photos have been outted. One was a teacher. One was the president of his schools Republican Committee

Yes, I agree. That's good. Fuck them.

Many of them could very well have a future in politics

Yes, yes. We've been over this. I agree with you. Once again, I believe we were talking about slightly different things. And once again, I love to see them get brolic, outed, and defeated. I'm not scared of these people. I will fight them until my last breath.

Many of the ppl who watched the events unfold on tv who sympathize with the alt right, white supremacist and white nationalist are in goverment and law enforcement

Yes...

So its not so easy to escape their reach

Uh, yes, but not if we fight them in reasonable ways.

 

[Plutarch]

What factions on the left are comparable to the neo nazis or white nationalists ????

One easy answer that I'm sure you're aware of (though the media rarely covers them) is Antifa. There are many other obvious examples that are generally comparable. But I think you mean comparable in terms of violence? Such examples are BAMN and Refuse Fascism. Have you heard of George Soros? If there's one main point I want to raise is the lack of fair media coverage and the bullshit that comes from both sides.

Surely, you don't think that the left is innocent in all of this. The main point is that both sides have been pushed to either extremes and are feeding on each other, and this is a very bad thing. I don't see why people can't acknowledge this. It's moderates and reasonable people like me (excuse my self-indulgence) that see this and are inevitably ostracized because we refuse to take either side and to point out the idiocy of both sides. Two sides of the same damn coin, and it's been like this for several decades.

And the media is guilty of a lot but my point of contention is that the liberal media and specifically the identity politics of the left has played a big part in inflaming and perpetuating racial discontent that has driven white ppl particularly white men to join the alt right, neo Nazis, vote for Trump

Hmm, I'm not so sure about playing a "big" part, but I do believe it's helping play a role that's palpable. But it's not just the media. The media is just one piece. I mean, there are countless examples across the nation and even here on this site. If you haven't already, you should check out some "alternative" news media.

And this bizaro idea that racial discord is caused by speaking out about discrimination, not by discrimination itself

Honest question: did I say that? Are you saying I said that? Or are you just twisting my words? Because I don't subscribe to that strict idea.

Which is a popular argument among the right

Meh, I don't think I would know.

Again i believe its ridiculous

Sounds so.

This country was built on white supremacy and xenophobia. The liberal media didnt interrupt progression toward racial harmony. Remove rachel maddow from the equation and we still have racial turmoil

Again, I'm not sure how this applies to me. ???

 

[The Lonious Monk]

so whats the tally?

3 dead crackers..

1 in jail..

not one dead nigga? not one nigga in jail??

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid.. keep the party going!! lmmfao

1 nigga got his ass whooped and I think a few were injured by the car, but other than that we came looking clean.

so whats the tally?

3 dead crackers..

1 in jail..

not one dead nigga? not one nigga in jail??

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid.. keep the party going!! lmmfao

You ain't lying. This is the shit you just sit back in the cut and watch like a movie while you eat snacks lol.

and not to mention..

two of them dead fucks were POLICE!!?!?

and niggas in here mad!!? smmfh

I don't wish death on nobody but the cops death have not really been talked about. I felt sorry for the white broad getting killed though. I agree with you though on the so back and watch this play out. If some do called woke CAC won't to get ran over and beat up for the cause cool and a bunch of Naxi and KKK faggots dying as well. I'm not going to be outraged over it.

I will feel for their families tho

that house nigga had no business bein there..

his fault..

and i dont wish death on no one either but im numb to it..

not due to the media either.. iv been numb to death for years now..

but this is the type of shit i said would happen America is bein destroyed from within..

they have nothin left to feed on but themselves..

niggas aint about that life i dont care how tuff they talk on here orelse they wouldve been bucked.. the monster has to be fed tho.. and now its feedin on itself..

im good wit that..

let this shit destroy itself and we build from that..

its gonna get a whole lot worse.. but it has to in order for it to get better..

I can understand your reasoning for not thinking black people should be out there. But I'm not understanding the whole "house nigga" shit. It's not like they were out there bootlicking. They were out there going to war with Nazis. Since when is battling racists house nigga shit?

okay.. sorry for the delay the GoT thread distracted me..

we had some new developments! hahahaha

but yeh..

all house niggas wasnt necessarily "boot lickers" but they was still in the house..

sayin that to say a house nigga has a certain mentality..

he believes for whatever reason in the system.. which is why u see niggas in here upset Trump is destroyin it.. (they house) a house nigga believes in protests.. a house nigga believes that deep down his master gives a fuck about him and can be reasoned with..

Martin Luther King was a house nigga..

Malcolm was a field nigga..

there is a difference..

u dont fight racism by protesting.. why are we even fightin racism!? ita gonna alwaya be here.. we always fightin for muthafuckas ro accept us when we ahould be empowering ourself so a muthafucka will respect us..

but nah.. lets march and beg for shit.. or be mad and scream at shit..

this aint our fight.. only thing them niggas is doin out there is gettin in the way of these white folks killin theyself.. they let us kill each other and go to jail for it they aint gotta fight us..

well look how the tables have turned..

Interesting PoV. I guess I could see merit in it if it weren't for one of the sides of this fight being a stated enemy of black people. It would be like slave owners fighting white abolitionists. You could argue that it might be better to let both sides destroy each other, but why would slaves gamble on that when they could side with the abolitionists and guarantee that the slave owners lose?

 

[MallyG]

@MallyG you are correct!!!

I know he's paid to be "that way"/GOP contrarian-apologist (and he worked under the Bush admin) which is disgusting in it's own right, but I think this sofT (yeah the "t" is capitalized) ass nikka REALLY believes what he's talking about.

Shut is unnerving! lol

 

[Plutarch]

I keep telling you all that @ghostdog56 @Plutarch @blackgod813 @"5th Letter" @D. Morgan @CapitalB @ineedpussy and @janklow are all either undercover racists that steal black pictures to pose as their own........or they're some of the dumbest black folk that I've ever come across.

The shit that they've pushed in this thread is similar to the shit they pushed before the election, which was all done to make the readers of these threads dumber and more prone to not vote.

But you're a troll. I can't take you seriously.

You can be funny sometimes though. That's your value on the IC: comic relief. I see you're committed to your trade. Keep at it.

 

[VulcanRaven]

so whats the tally?

3 dead crackers..

1 in jail..

not one dead nigga? not one nigga in jail??

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid.. keep the party going!! lmmfao

1 nigga got his ass whooped and I think a few were injured by the car, but other than that we came looking clean.

so whats the tally?

3 dead crackers..

1 in jail..

not one dead nigga? not one nigga in jail??

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiid.. keep the party going!! lmmfao

You ain't lying. This is the shit you just sit back in the cut and watch like a movie while you eat snacks lol.

and not to mention..

two of them dead fucks were POLICE!!?!?

and niggas in here mad!!? smmfh

I don't wish death on nobody but the cops death have not really been talked about. I felt sorry for the white broad getting killed though. I agree with you though on the so back and watch this play out. If some do called woke CAC won't to get ran over and beat up for the cause cool and a bunch of Naxi and KKK faggots dying as well. I'm not going to be outraged over it.

I will feel for their families tho

that house nigga had no business bein there..

his fault..

and i dont wish death on no one either but im numb to it..

not due to the media either.. iv been numb to death for years now..

but this is the type of shit i said would happen America is bein destroyed from within..

they have nothin left to feed on but themselves..

niggas aint about that life i dont care how tuff they talk on here orelse they wouldve been bucked.. the monster has to be fed tho.. and now its feedin on itself..

im good wit that..

let this shit destroy itself and we build from that..

its gonna get a whole lot worse.. but it has to in order for it to get better..

I can understand your reasoning for not thinking black people should be out there. But I'm not understanding the whole "house nigga" shit. It's not like they were out there bootlicking. They were out there going to war with Nazis. Since when is battling racists house nigga shit?

okay.. sorry for the delay the GoT thread distracted me..

we had some new developments! hahahaha

but yeh..

all house niggas wasnt necessarily "boot lickers" but they was still in the house..

sayin that to say a house nigga has a certain mentality..

he believes for whatever reason in the system.. which is why u see niggas in here upset Trump is destroyin it.. (they house) a house nigga believes in protests.. a house nigga believes that deep down his master gives a fuck about him and can be reasoned with..

Martin Luther King was a house nigga..

Malcolm was a field nigga..

there is a difference..

u dont fight racism by protesting.. why are we even fightin racism!? ita gonna alwaya be here.. we always fightin for muthafuckas ro accept us when we ahould be empowering ourself so a muthafucka will respect us..

but nah.. lets march and beg for shit.. or be mad and scream at shit..

this aint our fight.. only thing them niggas is doin out there is gettin in the way of these white folks killin theyself.. they let us kill each other and go to jail for it they aint gotta fight us..

well look how the tables have turned..

Interesting PoV. I guess I could see merit in it if it weren't for one of the sides of this fight being a stated enemy of black people. It would be like slave owners fighting white abolitionists. You could argue that it might be better to let both sides destroy each other, but why would slaves gamble on that when they could side with the abolitionists and guarantee that the slave owners lose?

Those were different circumstances. Tactics have to change with the times. We are not slaves so we can not think like slaves or fight like slaves. Slavery is over so it is not relevant in this fight. The mind and resources are the weapons these days. People don't seem to understand chess not checkers. Tell me. What will be gained by engaging in physical combat with these People? Nothing. You defend yourself if they attack though obviously.

 

[farris2k1]

I keep telling you all that @ghostdog56 @Plutarch @blackgod813 @"5th Letter" @D. Morgan @CapitalB @ineedpussy and @janklow are all either undercover racists that steal black pictures to pose as their own........or they're some of the dumbest black folk that I've ever come across.

The shit that they've pushed in this thread is similar to the shit they pushed before the election, which was all done to make the readers of these threads dumber and more prone to not vote.

But you're a troll. I can't take you seriously.

You can be funny sometimes though. That's your value on the IC: comic relief. I see you're committed to your trade. Keep at it.

Pretty accurate list

 

[texas409]

Our main problem is getting organized.

Why the fuck we can't do that shit.

too many people involved..

people want the shit to happen overnight as well..

shit needs to bubble slow..

it took generations for us to get here.. go take generations for us to get out..

we aint the ones who go see the promise land.. our kids are.. and thats what its about..

people want the shit for themselves now!

and thats not gonna happen..

You forgot many blacks just dont care enough and are content @blackgod813 with the way things are, also plenty of coons and uncle toms who think nothing is wrong at all

Fixed

Apathy is far more common than righteous furry...most white people are apathetic an so are most people...if things dont effect them personally it just doesn't matter..we been at war 16yrs but if you not in the army or live in Afghanistan most likely you don't care...most of us want love an hiphop an McDonald's..how many even knew that statue existed...

Yo homie you been trolling us all this time. Nigga using big words like apathetic and shit but last year you couldn't even form a sentence correctly. I see you my nigga

 

[Rembrandt]

Big PR loss for the President here. It's inconceivable that he keeps pandering to that narrow sect of his base. A country can't survive for long if its citizens are divided.

Politically, he's incompetent at the moment.

 

[naledgestate]

Big PR loss for the President here. It's inconceivable that he keeps pandering to that narrow sect of his base. A country can't survive for long if its citizens are divided.

Politically, he's incompetent at the moment.

At the moment?

That Nazi has been incompetent running on 4-5 decades now.

Most financial experts have said that if Trump solely invested his Father's inheritance and put it into stocks and shit, he'd be worth considerably more money than he is now.

He's a fuck up and he is a white supremacist to boot. He also has the title of POTUS.

What a time...

 

[naledgestate]

Get money, protect urself and ur family

This is not a game out here. They had a test run and by all accounts it was successful.

It's only going to get worse, so by all means my brother.

 

[naledgestate]

Ain't nobody believing in the system.

It about getting ppl in the right place to make the system work for us.

If youre hungry, idle hands ain't gon make dinner.

one day u go realize THE BIRD is the problem and NEEDS TO DIE..

this system wasn't built by us or with us in mind..

in fact think of the matrix the system is the machine and yo black ass is what powers it..

this system needs to fail instead of being propped up for another hundred years and when the next one is built we need to be in position to where we have input into how..

least thats how I see it..

same logic applies to stock.. best time to buy is in a crash.. let this muthafucka crash so we can gain footing..

You seem authentic on this board, so I pay attention to your views on situations and see your side of things

So we should just chill and not do anything and live the status quo?

not saying do nothin..

but whatever u do u have to do it outside and under the radar..

to give u an analogy..

look at Sharks.. great whites when they young they stay near the coastline cause the bigger sharks feed on them..

we are in our infancy stage and trying to battle niggas in the deep..

u can have a nation within a nation..

we here.. we aint going nowhere so we need to quit focusing on those who don't like us and focus on us..

build our own infrastructure and quietly grow to where when we do go in deep they won't be so quick to bite cause we can bite back...

niggas go come in here and say "we did that already with black Wall Street" well.. we need to learn from them and start our own militia.. I mean I can go on and on but I aint trying to type much I got too much shit going on this morning.. but I know its possible cause I do it on a much smaller scale with myself..

I feel bro. I really do.... but a nigga got the same amount of stake in this country as any white man. Sorry, you lost me that nation within a nation talk.

Slaves helped built the White House and the whole southern economy was based on the backs of slaves.

I go where ever the fuck I want, I take my money where ever the fuck i want whether those cacs like it or not.

Black people shed too much blood for this country. This whole shit is our nation.

u misunderstand me..

cause i share the same sentiment..

u talkin to a nigga who lives in a armed guard gated community who drives in and out that muthafucka windows down blastin oldschool cube..

nothin pleases me more than seein the look of these Cacs face who have to check in to get in and they see my black ass hat back bumpin "A Bird In Hand" in a Benz they can only dream to afford..

but what i mean by a nation whithin a nation is like a new culture.. a new ideal.. someone said it earlier.. drivin now so dont feel like lookin for it..

but what good is u doin it but ur brother cant??

needs to be a hive mind but we have to do it in a way to not let on to the powers that be cause one thing they hate is competition..

I feel my brother. Keep doing your thing.

 

[Angeles1son85]

after all that and trump kept talkin he really brought up his winery that he owns smh wow