Which DC characters do you think would make it to a top tier/omega mutant in the Marvel Universe?

[evoljeanyes]

Its very true my man...is there enough cats in here to do some battle stuff...?

 

[DarkRaiden]

Guys are are so sleep on Galactus...because he is a plot device people consider him weak...he just isn't...

Yeah, got to blame the Marvel writers. It's like for a long time their only means of demonstrating a new character or threat's power was to have them beat a weakened Galactus. It's messed up because Galactus was never meant to be used like that. He was to be a supreme power. After all, even when the F4 first got the best of him, it was only because the Watcher told them about the Ultimate Nullifier and the used that to threaten Galactus. And then some idiot comes along and writes a story where they beat him by firing the Thing out of a giant slingshot. Come on, that's just disrespecting a character.

I have to argue with cats about scarlet witch and legion being above Galactus. Mad Jim Jasper's withhis overrated ass. @darkraiden things there is a version of juggernaut that can beat Galactus.

Legion has the 616 universe in a box b. A wooden box. He's above Galactus.

And Trion juggernaut I think it was, was punching holes in dimensions and shit. Far above Galactus.

Hmmm or was it 8th day Juggernaut? Not sure but one of the Juggernauts that had more of Cyttorak's power.

Cytrorak himself isn't above Galactus. He's just skyfather level, so how is a character with a fraction of his power above Galacuts level? And how does punching holes in dimensions make him far above Galactus when Galactus opens portals and travels between dimensions at will. That's nothing to him. The only think any version of Juggernaut has ever had is great strength and durability. Galactus is a character that has destroyed solar systems with a temper tantrum and galaxies with the runoff from one of his battles. You guys are either grossly overestimating some of these characters or you really don't understand how strong even a average level Galactus truly is.

B....most Galactus has shown us, destructively is implied Galaxy busting and solar system busting. Trion Juggernaut punched a hole in a dimension. Just physical strength b. If he hits Galactus or Galactus level beings with that, they're done.

And nah, Cyttorak's far above skyfather and most likely Galactus level while in his realm (which is where he is when Juggernaut gets more of his power). Cyttorak had classic Dr. Strange (who dealt with Galactus easily) copping pleas and unable to escape and Eternity couldn't even help him. Had both dem niggas helpless. And recently Colossus tried to use phoenix on him and it did nothing to him, he stopped Phoenix force from working at all. Cyttorak's a different beast.

There is no implied galaxy busting. It is flat out stated that the battle he had with Tyrant destroyed multiple galaxies. It's also been stated that the Ultimate Nullifier, a device that can destroy the universe and has rewritten the entire universe, is an aspect of his own power and can be summoned at will for his usage at any time. So it's a flat out fact that if Galactus desired it, he'd be a universe buster. Cyttorak is not fucking with that. And all Demon Lords are more powerful in their realms. Galactus went toe to toe in Mephisto's own realm and when the fight didn't go fast enough for him, he just started eating the realm. He could do the same thing to Cyttorak.

And classic Dr. Strange is DEM personified, so that's a horrible example. Yeah he beat Galactus by making Galactus feel the pain of all the people he's ever killed. Ok, guess what, he's also beaten Dormammu and Shuma Gorath multiple times too. Are you going to sit here and act like Cyttorak is above Shuma?

And seriously lol @ Juggernaut punching Galactus. Are you serious? How exactly is he supposed to even get close enough to do that before he's teleported into a supermassive blackhole somewhere? Ya'll cats are being ridiculous now. Either that or like I said, you don't really understand how powerful Galactus is when not jobbing for story purposes. Just think about all the shit that Surfer can do and realize that even in a weakened state Galactus is thousands of times more powerful that Surfer.

Hell, we've already seen what it took to kill Galactus: millions of starships, the Avengers, the Shiar Royal guard, Surfer, Galactus' machines sabotaged so they were draining his energy instead of feeding him, and him wanting to die. Even then, it wasn't enough to truly kill him. He was just put in stasis.

All reality warpers can't effect folks on Galactus' level of power. That's what makes Franklin so unique. As a child he's walking around with celestial level power that he himself keeps in check

That's not completely true. While it's true reality warpers can affect Galactus and probably the other Abstracts too. It's a stretch to say they can do everything to them that they can do to lower beings. Franklin could probably turn Wolverine into a carrot if he wanted. He can't do that to Galactus. As a matter of fact, I can't remember, but there was a story where someone tried to blink Galactus out of existence, and he just came right back.

Actually he beat Shuma after absorbing multiple people, delving into the black arts, and even having infinite power, and still almost lost. So it's not the same thing. Based off of showings, Shuma's still>>>>Cyttorak.

And that' my point, Strange beats everyone, yet couldn't do shit against Cyttorak. Same with Phoenix Force. Proves his strength.

And to be fair, what it took to kill Galactus wouldn't touch Cyttorak.

You can say Galactus can eat Cyttorak's realm, but he's not Mephisto, his realm isn't made of souls aka energy for a fact, it's more magical, which the power cosmic has no reign over. Mephisto's only a galaxy buster in his realm and stalemated Galactus, Cyttorak seems to be the ultimate being akin to Shuma in his.

And btw Trion Juggernaut can open portals, so if he's sent into a supermassive blackhole, he'll just come back. That's one of the things that's deadly about him, he can keep coming back. And even regular classic Juggs wouldn't even be affected by the blackhole tbh.

B, I know how strong Galactus is. He's a galaxy buster (casual) at high end, likely a universe buster. Him and Surfer is as comparable as Captain America and Odin. Not at all. Still, there are forms of Juggernaut and other beings like Cyttorak that are more powerful.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Actually he beat Shuma after absorbing multiple people, delving into the black arts, and even having infinite power, and still almost lost. So it's not the same thing. Based off of showings, Shuma's still>>>>Cyttorak. [/quote]

Ok, and Strange beat Galactus by channeling the sorrow and pain of the trillions of people that Galactus has killed into his mind. Again, the point is Classic Strange was a DEM machine. He could always pull something crazy out of his ass to beat people much more powerful than him. So a high level being taking a loss to Strange is not really a good knock against that being especially when comparing two high level beings.

And that' my point, Strange beats everyone, yet couldn't do shit against Cyttorak. Same with Phoenix Force. Proves his strength.

And your point is still horrible. If you can acknowledge that Strange has managed to beat people that are without a doubt stronger than Cyttorak, that defeats your own argument. The fact is, Strange's inability to beat Cyttorak says nothing about how Cyttorak compares to characters that Strange has beaten.

And to be fair, what it took to kill Galactus wouldn't touch Cyttorak.

And this is based on what? Oh right, nothing but your own opinion. Galactus wanted to die and they still couldn't kill him without his help. And even then he didn't die. If all that couldn't kill him when he wanted to die, what makes you think anything Cyttorak can do would kill him.

You can say Galactus can eat Cyttorak's realm, but he's not Mephisto, his realm isn't made of souls aka energy for a fact, it's more magical, which the power cosmic has no reign over. Mephisto's only a galaxy buster in his realm and stalemated Galactus, Cyttorak seems to be the ultimate being akin to Shuma in his.

Now you're just making up stuff. Mephisto's takes his power from souls, but his realm is not made of souls. It's magical in the same way all Hell Lords' realms are. And Mephisto is supreme in his real also. I'm not sure where you get that he's just a galaxy buster. If you're going to make these wild claims, show some proof please.

And btw Trion Juggernaut can open portals, so if he's sent into a supermassive blackhole, he'll just come back. That's one of the things that's deadly about him, he can keep coming back. And even regular classic Juggs wouldn't even be affected by the blackhole tbh.

Come on man, Spiderman temporarily trapping Juggernaut in concrete. Death Hulk broke Classic Juggernaut's neck. WW Hulk beat Juggernaut with his classic powers restored by sidestepping Juggernaut and letting him sink in a swamp. But we're supposed to believe that Juggernaut couldn't be trapped for any reasonable amount of time by a Supermassive blackhole? FOH You are greatly exaggerating and overestimating Juggernaut's power.

B, I know how strong Galactus is. He's a galaxy buster (casual) at high end, likely a universe buster. Him and Surfer is as comparable as Captain America and Odin. Not at all. Still, there are forms of Juggernaut and other beings like Cyttorak that are more powerful.

You can say things as much as you want. That doesn't make it true. If you're so confident that Cyttorak is that powerful. Show us some feats. Prove to us that Cyttorak is as powerful as you say he is. Prove to us that Trion Juggernaut has even matched Silver Surfer in overall power. Give me an example of something that those characters have done that Galactus can't. If you can't do that then let it go. Hell, you yourself acknowledge that an average level Galactus is a galaxy buster, please provide the proof showing that Trion Juggernaut can casually take out a single star system let alone a galaxy.

lol At this shit. Galactus was in a fight where his enemy was throwing galaxies at him like ninja stars. Think about that for a second. It was a fight of a scale so large, that entire galaxies were being used as projectiles. And you actually think Juggernaut at any level is comparable to that? Ya'll dudes are trippin.

 

[evoljeanyes]

Well to be fair to the people arguing against him, it's the Marvel writers and the dumb way they use him that make him look weak. At least he's getting some shine in his miniseries. That will be crazy if he comes back to the 616 universe still merged with the Gah Lak Tus swarm.

 

[evoljeanyes]

Niggas are not correct. Cyttorak is not fucking with Galactus please. I'm about to make a battle. Its cool to be wrong. You just have to accept when you're being schooled!

 

[Splackavelli]

Remember what happened when Joker got Mxyzptlk's power?

Yeah............

I remember an issue of the flash when joker got a hold of green lanterns power ring, good times. man that joker he can be deadly but oh so wacky!

 

[DarkRaiden]

Let me just drop some scans. Even regular Juggs can be above Surfer, taking on Thor lie nothing and even when his magic is canceled, Thor still can't take him down. While Thor takes Surfer down much easier.

He's also wounded Nightmare, regen'd from skeleton and taken the Godblast which drove Galactus back

Busting down dimensional walls:

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Let me just drop some scans. Even regular Juggs can be above Surfer, taking on Thor lie nothing and even when his magic is canceled, Thor still can't take him down. While Thor takes Surfer down much easier.

He's also wounded Nightmare, regen'd from skeleton and taken the Godblast which drove Galactus back

Busting down dimensional walls:

No one will argue with you that Juggernaut has more raw physical power than Surfer. However, your tendency to use the A beat B, and B beat C, so A must be better than C arguments are terrible. Juggernaut managing to hang with Thor in what was essentially a fistfight says nothing about his overall power in comparison to Surfer's. Surfer has reignited Supernovae, destroyed planets, and closed blackholes with his own power. The biggest feat for Juggernaut you've shown is punching through dimensions which really isn't all that impressive when you acknowledge that Surfer has the power to cross dimensions too.

As for the defense feats, that shouldn't be a surprise. High level defense is his primary power after all. But thinking that he's above Galactus because he tanked the Godblast is faulty. It wasn't the power of the Godblast that drove Galactus off. It was the fact that it somehow drained Galactus of his energy. In other words, the writer of that story used the same tired Achilles heel they always use for Galactus. You like comparing fights though. How come you didn't point out that Thor vs Juggernaut was a knock down drag down fight and Thor vs Galactus was Thor hitting Galactus with his hammer and then Galactus grabbing him and throwing him with so much force that he would have died if not for Ego saving him.

 

[evoljeanyes]

Bro lol @ "like nothing" My Nigga...Thor made a forcefield, with Mjolnir, that cut off Cyttorak's surge of power to his avatar. Mjolnir basically stopped his power surge. Mjolnir couldn't stop Odin from doing anything ever. Cyttorak has a realm. It is nothing without the realm. Dr. Strange is the worst character in comics along with Dr. Fate especially their OG feats.

Juggernaut an unstoppable force having a stalemate with Thor in a fist fight proves only that he is somewhere around hulk and Hercules levels.

Galactus has to exist for the universe to function. All of them

 

[DarkRaiden]

Let me just drop some scans. Even regular Juggs can be above Surfer, taking on Thor lie nothing and even when his magic is canceled, Thor still can't take him down. While Thor takes Surfer down much easier.

He's also wounded Nightmare, regen'd from skeleton and taken the Godblast which drove Galactus back

Busting down dimensional walls:

No one will argue with you that Juggernaut has more raw physical power than Surfer. However, your tendency to use the A beat B, and B beat C, so A must be better than C arguments are terrible. Juggernaut managing to hang with Thor in what was essentially a fistfight says nothing about his overall power in comparison to Surfer's. Surfer has reignited Supernovae, destroyed planets, and closed blackholes with his own power. The biggest feat for Juggernaut you've shown is punching through dimensions which really isn't all that impressive when you acknowledge that Surfer has the power to cross dimensions too.

As for the defense feats, that shouldn't be a surprise. High level defense is his primary power after all. But thinking that he's above Galactus because he tanked the Godblast is faulty. It wasn't the power of the Godblast that drove Galactus off. It was the fact that it somehow drained Galactus of his energy. In other words, the writer of that story used the same tired Achilles heel they always use for Galactus. You like comparing fights though. How come you didn't point out that Thor vs Juggernaut was a knock down drag down fight and Thor vs Galactus was Thor hitting Galactus with his hammer and then Galactus grabbing him and throwing him with so much force that he would have died if not for Ego saving him.

Thor vs. Juggernaut was only close when Cyttorak was cut off. My point was that Juggs is more durable and stronger physically than Surfer. I'm not using ABC Logic, you said prove any version of Juggs was near Surfer, I did by showing him doing things Surfer can't do. Tanking godblasts, taking Mjolnir w/o injury, and taking hits from Thor w/o his forcefield/magic.

And the last scan still stands, Juggernat was punching through reality which is >>>>>anything Galactus has done.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Thor vs. Juggernaut was only close when Cyttorak was cut off. My point was that Juggs is more durable and stronger physically than Surfer. I'm not using ABC Logic, you said prove any version of Juggs was near Surfer, I did by showing him doing things Surfer can't do. Tanking godblasts, taking Mjolnir w/o injury, and taking hits from Thor w/o his forcefield/magic.

And the last scan still stands, Juggernat was punching through reality which is >>>>>anything Galactus has done.

Again, no one argued that Juggernaut was more durable than Surfer. Of course he is, that's Juggernaut's M.O. But more durable =/= as powerful. And him being physically stronger than Surfer is debateable considering Surfer can boost his strength at will and under normal conditions, strength isn't Juggs' best quality. As for the things that Juggs can do but Surfer can't. Surfer has taken hits from Mjlonir on several different occasions including the most recent fights he and Thor had. And I'm not sure how Juggernaut taking hits without his forcefield is supposed to say anything about what Surfer can do when Surfer doesn't even use a forcefield under normal circumstances.

So again Surfer can travel at hyperluminal speeds, reinvigorate stars, close black holes, destroy planets, and a couple dozen other things that Juggernaut couldn't even hope to do. How the hell could you possibly believe that Juggernaut is more powerful that Surfer. That's just dumb.

I'm still failing to see how Juggernaut punching through reality is a greater feat than anything Galactus has done when Galactus can open up portals and travel between dimensions at will. In other words, the best feat you can list for Juggernaut is something Galactus can and has done effortlessly.

 

[soul rattler]

These two DC guys

 

[jaxn]

Guys are are so sleep on Galactus...because he is a plot device people consider him weak...he just isn't...

Yeah, got to blame the Marvel writers. It's like for a long time their only means of demonstrating a new character or threat's power was to have them beat a weakened Galactus. It's messed up because Galactus was never meant to be used like that. He was to be a supreme power. After all, even when the F4 first got the best of him, it was only because the Watcher told them about the Ultimate Nullifier and the used that to threaten Galactus. And then some idiot comes along and writes a story where they beat him by firing the Thing out of a giant slingshot. Come on, that's just disrespecting a character.

I have to argue with cats about scarlet witch and legion being above Galactus. Mad Jim Jasper's withhis overrated ass. @darkraiden things there is a version of juggernaut that can beat Galactus.

Legion has the 616 universe in a box b. A wooden box. He's above Galactus.

And Trion juggernaut I think it was, was punching holes in dimensions and shit. Far above Galactus.

Hmmm or was it 8th day Juggernaut? Not sure but one of the Juggernauts that had more of Cyttorak's power.

Cytrorak himself isn't above Galactus. He's just skyfather level, so how is a character with a fraction of his power above Galacuts level? And how does punching holes in dimensions make him far above Galactus when Galactus opens portals and travels between dimensions at will. That's nothing to him. The only think any version of Juggernaut has ever had is great strength and durability. Galactus is a character that has destroyed solar systems with a temper tantrum and galaxies with the runoff from one of his battles. You guys are either grossly overestimating some of these characters or you really don't understand how strong even a average level Galactus truly is.

B....most Galactus has shown us, destructively is implied Galaxy busting and solar system busting. Trion Juggernaut punched a hole in a dimension. Just physical strength b. If he hits Galactus or Galactus level beings with that, they're done.

And nah, Cyttorak's far above skyfather and most likely Galactus level while in his realm (which is where he is when Juggernaut gets more of his power). Cyttorak had classic Dr. Strange (who dealt with Galactus easily) copping pleas and unable to escape and Eternity couldn't even help him. Had both dem niggas helpless. And recently Colossus tried to use phoenix on him and it did nothing to him, he stopped Phoenix force from working at all. Cyttorak's a different beast.

There is no implied galaxy busting. It is flat out stated that the battle he had with Tyrant destroyed multiple galaxies. It's also been stated that the Ultimate Nullifier, a device that can destroy the universe and has rewritten the entire universe, is an aspect of his own power and can be summoned at will for his usage at any time. So it's a flat out fact that if Galactus desired it, he'd be a universe buster. Cyttorak is not fucking with that. And all Demon Lords are more powerful in their realms. Galactus went toe to toe in Mephisto's own realm and when the fight didn't go fast enough for him, he just started eating the realm. He could do the same thing to Cyttorak.

And classic Dr. Strange is DEM personified, so that's a horrible example. Yeah he beat Galactus by making Galactus feel the pain of all the people he's ever killed. Ok, guess what, he's also beaten Dormammu and Shuma Gorath multiple times too. Are you going to sit here and act like Cyttorak is above Shuma?

And seriously lol @ Juggernaut punching Galactus. Are you serious? How exactly is he supposed to even get close enough to do that before he's teleported into a supermassive blackhole somewhere? Ya'll cats are being ridiculous now. Either that or like I said, you don't really understand how powerful Galactus is when not jobbing for story purposes. Just think about all the shit that Surfer can do and realize that even in a weakened state Galactus is thousands of times more powerful that Surfer.

Hell, we've already seen what it took to kill Galactus: millions of starships, the Avengers, the Shiar Royal guard, Surfer, Galactus' machines sabotaged so they were draining his energy instead of feeding him, and him wanting to die. Even then, it wasn't enough to truly kill him. He was just put in stasis.

All reality warpers can't effect folks on Galactus' level of power. That's what makes Franklin so unique. As a child he's walking around with celestial level power that he himself keeps in check

That's not completely true. While it's true reality warpers can affect Galactus and probably the other Abstracts too. It's a stretch to say they can do everything to them that they can do to lower beings. Franklin could probably turn Wolverine into a carrot if he wanted. He can't do that to Galactus. As a matter of fact, I can't remember, but there was a story where someone tried to blink Galactus out of existence, and he just came right back.

I'm not sure you understood what i wrote. Most reality warpers can't as in can not mess with Galactus are others on his level..however Franklin CAN. He is beyond Galactus in power. Franklin has restored Galactus' power. Sounds like you're talking about the Hunger when Darkseid tried to wipe Galan from existence.

 

[jaxn]

Galactus can not be warped at all. @the lonious monk bruh thank god you showed up I'm tired of being the only one riding for Galactus.

of course he can. He's not the most powerful person in Marvel

 

[jaxn]

Juggernaught isn't as strong as Thor or Hulk nor Surfer for that matter. He's more durable due to the enchantment and if he has his forcefield activated.

 

[jaxn]

Actually he beat Shuma after absorbing multiple people, delving into the black arts, and even having infinite power, and still almost lost. So it's not the same thing. Based off of showings, Shuma's still>>>>Cyttorak.

Ok, and Strange beat Galactus by channeling the sorrow and pain of the trillions of people that Galactus has killed into his mind. Again, the point is Classic Strange was a DEM machine. He could always pull something crazy out of his ass to beat people much more powerful than him. So a high level being taking a loss to Strange is not really a good knock against that being especially when comparing two high level beings.

And that' my point, Strange beats everyone, yet couldn't do shit against Cyttorak. Same with Phoenix Force. Proves his strength.

And your point is still horrible. If you can acknowledge that Strange has managed to beat people that are without a doubt stronger than Cyttorak, that defeats your own argument. The fact is, Strange's inability to beat Cyttorak says nothing about how Cyttorak compares to characters that Strange has beaten.

And to be fair, what it took to kill Galactus wouldn't touch Cyttorak.

And this is based on what? Oh right, nothing but your own opinion. Galactus wanted to die and they still couldn't kill him without his help. And even then he didn't die. If all that couldn't kill him when he wanted to die, what makes you think anything Cyttorak can do would kill him.

You can say Galactus can eat Cyttorak's realm, but he's not Mephisto, his realm isn't made of souls aka energy for a fact, it's more magical, which the power cosmic has no reign over. Mephisto's only a galaxy buster in his realm and stalemated Galactus, Cyttorak seems to be the ultimate being akin to Shuma in his.

Now you're just making up stuff. Mephisto's takes his power from souls, but his realm is not made of souls. It's magical in the same way all Hell Lords' realms are. And Mephisto is supreme in his real also. I'm not sure where you get that he's just a galaxy buster. If you're going to make these wild claims, show some proof please.

And btw Trion Juggernaut can open portals, so if he's sent into a supermassive blackhole, he'll just come back. That's one of the things that's deadly about him, he can keep coming back. And even regular classic Juggs wouldn't even be affected by the blackhole tbh.

Come on man, Spiderman temporarily trapping Juggernaut in concrete. Death Hulk broke Classic Juggernaut's neck. WW Hulk beat Juggernaut with his classic powers restored by sidestepping Juggernaut and letting him sink in a swamp. But we're supposed to believe that Juggernaut couldn't be trapped for any reasonable amount of time by a Supermassive blackhole? FOH You are greatly exaggerating and overestimating Juggernaut's power.

B, I know how strong Galactus is. He's a galaxy buster (casual) at high end, likely a universe buster. Him and Surfer is as comparable as Captain America and Odin. Not at all. Still, there are forms of Juggernaut and other beings like Cyttorak that are more powerful.

You can say things as much as you want. That doesn't make it true. If you're so confident that Cyttorak is that powerful. Show us some feats. Prove to us that Cyttorak is as powerful as you say he is. Prove to us that Trion Juggernaut has even matched Silver Surfer in overall power. Give me an example of something that those characters have done that Galactus can't. If you can't do that then let it go. Hell, you yourself acknowledge that an average level Galactus is a galaxy buster, please provide the proof showing that Trion Juggernaut can casually take out a single star system let alone a galaxy.

lol At this shit. Galactus was in a fight where his enemy was throwing galaxies at him like ninja stars. Think about that for a second. It was a fight of a scale so large, that entire galaxies were being used as projectiles. And you actually think Juggernaut at any level is comparable to that? Ya'll dudes are trippin.

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what Galactus fight are you referring to with galaxies being thrown at him?

 

[evoljeanyes]

@darkraiden bruh please

Galactus can not be warped at all. @the lonious monk bruh thank god you showed up I'm tired of being the only one riding for Galactus.

of course he can. He's not the most powerful person in Marvel

I don't think he is most powerful. Never seen any cosmic get warped.

 

[jaxn]

as far as being turned into a twinkie or something? reality warpers can do more with their abilities than mutate objects.

 

[jaxn]

as far as Franklin, his reality warping abilities allow him to do whatever he wants basically. When he's firing laser blasts or flying and what not, that's his reality warping abilities. when he created the heroes reborn universe complete with all the characters from the 616, that's his reality warping abilities.

 

[evoljeanyes]

as far as Franklin, his reality warping abilities allow him to do whatever he wants basically. When he's firing laser blasts or flying and what not, that's his reality warping abilities. when he created the heroes reborn universe complete with all the characters from the 616, that's his reality warping abilities.

I get that. I just haven't se them effected by warping