Whats Your Thoughts On Abortion?

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I wonder if birds get abortions??...like they decide they dont wanna be mothers and roll thier eggs out of the tree
 
JG's Legal Adviser;5385305 said:
Makaveli Joker;5385302 said:
kai_valya;5385278 said:
yeah a clump of cells is not a life

That's where the discussion diverts into full blown religious bullshit. Where is that borderline between unliving group of cells and unborn alive baby?

lol religion has nothing to do with it, those cells are not unliving, if they were "unliving" a living organism would never be able to arise from cells that aren't living and there wouldn't be any need for an abortion in the first place.

Religion put that sense of morality in this country to begin this debate
 
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Pro-choice.... Wouldnt get one myself but women should be able to choose what to do with their own bodies. At the end of the day the government should not be involved with such things....simple as that
JG's Legal Adviser;5385339 said:
Makaveli Joker;5385317 said:
JG's Legal Adviser;5385305 said:
Makaveli Joker;5385302 said:
kai_valya;5385278 said:
yeah a clump of cells is not a life

That's where the discussion diverts into full blown religious bullshit. Where is that borderline between unliving group of cells and unborn alive baby?

lol religion has nothing to do with it, those cells are not unliving, if they were "unliving" a living organism would never be able to arise from cells that aren't living and there wouldn't be any need for an abortion in the first place.

Religion put that sense of morality in this country to begin this debate

Not for me, it's all about legality, if murder is illegal, then abortion should be as well since it is the premeditated taking of a life. Not only that but doctors shouldn't be performing abortions when they've taken an oath to do no harm.

Its legal for the government to execute a criminal...do u have a problem with that?

Unless u feel the government has the right to determine who deserves to live and who does not
 
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JG's Legal Adviser;5385339 said:
Makaveli Joker;5385317 said:
JG's Legal Adviser;5385305 said:
Makaveli Joker;5385302 said:
kai_valya;5385278 said:
yeah a clump of cells is not a life

That's where the discussion diverts into full blown religious bullshit. Where is that borderline between unliving group of cells and unborn alive baby?

lol religion has nothing to do with it, those cells are not unliving, if they were "unliving" a living organism would never be able to arise from cells that aren't living and there wouldn't be any need for an abortion in the first place.

Religion put that sense of morality in this country to begin this debate

Not for me, it's all about legality, if murder is illegal, then abortion should be as well since it is the premeditated taking of a life. Not only that but doctors shouldn't be performing abortions when they've taken an oath to do no harm.

I didn't cells can be patients, can they sue for malpractice?
 
I'm pro-choice, under certain circumstances.

With that said......................................society is fucked.
 
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JG's Legal Adviser;5385362 said:
desertrain10;5385353 said:
Pro-choice.... Wouldnt get one myself but women should be able to choose what to do with their own bodies. At the end of rhe day ne the government simple as that
JG's Legal Adviser;5385339 said:
Makaveli Joker;5385317 said:
JG's Legal Adviser;5385305 said:
Makaveli Joker;5385302 said:
kai_valya;5385278 said:
yeah a clump of cells is not a life

That's where the discussion diverts into full blown religious bullshit. Where is that borderline between unliving group of cells and unborn alive baby?

lol religion has nothing to do with it, those cells are not unliving, if they were "unliving" a living organism would never be able to arise from cells that aren't living and there wouldn't be any need for an abortion in the first place.

Religion put that sense of morality in this country to begin this debate

Not for me, it's all about legality, if murder is illegal, then abortion should be as well since it is the premeditated taking of a life. Not only that but doctors shouldn't be performing abortions when they've taken an oath to do no harm.

Its legal for the government to execute a criminal...do u have a problem with that?

If its all about the legality. Unless u feel the government has the right to determine who deserves to live and who does not

I have no problem with criminals being executed. Unless you're going to tell me the crime that an unborn fetus committed, I'm not seeing the relevancy in that statement.

The government already has that right, hence the government being the ones to decide the legality of abortions, give the death penalty in cases, pardon or give a "stay" for those that have been sentenced to being executed.

obviously the government already has that right....

what i meant was are you completely ok and happy with laws determining who deserves to live and who does not

what if they unfairly execute an innocent human being....

lol maybe im alil off base but im against the death penalty and i'm pro-choice don't think the government should be able to decide whose life is worth keeping around...

 
JG's Legal Adviser;5385373 said:
jono;5385364 said:
JG's Legal Adviser;5385339 said:
Makaveli Joker;5385317 said:
JG's Legal Adviser;5385305 said:
Makaveli Joker;5385302 said:
kai_valya;5385278 said:
yeah a clump of cells is not a life

That's where the discussion diverts into full blown religious bullshit. Where is that borderline between unliving group of cells and unborn alive baby?

lol religion has nothing to do with it, those cells are not unliving, if they were "unliving" a living organism would never be able to arise from cells that aren't living and there wouldn't be any need for an abortion in the first place.

Religion put that sense of morality in this country to begin this debate

Not for me, it's all about legality, if murder is illegal, then abortion should be as well since it is the premeditated taking of a life. Not only that but doctors shouldn't be performing abortions when they've taken an oath to do no harm.

I didn't cells can be patients, can they sue for malpractice?

Who said they could? Who said you need to be a patient in order for harm to be committed?

How can someone who isn't a patient claim harm caused?
 
JG's Legal Adviser;5385385 said:
jono;5385380 said:
JG's Legal Adviser;5385373 said:
jono;5385364 said:
JG's Legal Adviser;5385339 said:
Makaveli Joker;5385317 said:
JG's Legal Adviser;5385305 said:
Makaveli Joker;5385302 said:
kai_valya;5385278 said:
yeah a clump of cells is not a life

That's where the discussion diverts into full blown religious bullshit. Where is that borderline between unliving group of cells and unborn alive baby?

lol religion has nothing to do with it, those cells are not unliving, if they were "unliving" a living organism would never be able to arise from cells that aren't living and there wouldn't be any need for an abortion in the first place.

Religion put that sense of morality in this country to begin this debate

Not for me, it's all about legality, if murder is illegal, then abortion should be as well since it is the premeditated taking of a life. Not only that but doctors shouldn't be performing abortions when they've taken an oath to do no harm.

I didn't cells can be patients, can they sue for malpractice?

Who said they could? Who said you need to be a patient in order for harm to be committed?

How can someone who isn't a patient claim harm caused?

Someone needs to claim harm was caused in order for harm to have been caused?

Yes. That's typically how harm is assessed right?

 
it depends

if you're not ready for a child for whatever reason *dont believe you'll be the best mother, too young, not responsible enough, cannot afford a child at the moment, focused on career, etc.* and abortion is your best option, then do what you gotta do

but i think its wrong for women to allow dudes to hit raw or not do anything to prevent pregnancy themselves *birth control*, not caring if they get pregnant because they can always get an abortion. not all women are like this of course but they're out there

getting an abortion isnt the only way you prevent bringing a child into the world. how about not getting pregnant in the first place?
 
Lil Loca;5385197 said:
bobbydrake2006;5385190 said:
alot of these "proud single mothers" should have had one. instead they let the local dopeboy and his homeboys bust nuts deep inside and end up being a maurry show candidate.

Well, Black women have the highest rates of unintended pregnancy because we have the least access to affordable birth control. Also, there is a lack of sexual and preventative education for working/struggling Black folks. The presence of single mothers shouldn't mean that they should have more abortions, tho--it just means that there should be more social support and benefits to help single mothers take care of their kids.

loca...i know youre on your feminist steeze...im cool with that...but this is bullshit...condoms are cheap....and free in some cases...i bet every one of these chicks that get knocked up got a cell phone...rocking a weave...manicures...pedicures etc...

my point is they spend money on what they want to...so miss me with that affordable birth control shit

 
JG's Legal Adviser;5385406 said:
@jono



Typically yes, but typical doesn't represent always.


Harm can take place without anyone knowing it happened, harm can occur without someone ever claiming it.

Just look at how many decades went by with cigarettes leading and causing deaths yet no one knew that it was. So there was no claim, but obviously harm had taken place.

A collection of human cells doesn't always grow into human life either.

The doctor's oath is a contract between the doctor and the patient, unless a collection of cells can be a patient, which it can't be, then pregnancy is just a condition that abortion cures.

A patient, or the family of said patient has to claim harm caused in order for it to be so. That situation is between doctor and patient, not third parties. So even if you assume that cells are human life, they don't have any legal standing.
 
Abortion I ain't no baby killa in fact it's not the same connotation when I say it I'm just stating pain!!!

I think if you got raped or it's medically unsafe and puts the mother at risk then I understand abortion

But if you outchea freefuckin and don't wanna accept responsibility I think you should kill yourself instead

And the man should have a say in abortion because if she keep it he's legally responsible for the child
 

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