what's the most important part of lyricism?

[EuropeanAndWhite]

what has lyricism to do with flow, delivery or rhyme schemes? absolutely nothing. these are things you need to be a good rapper, but it doesnt make you a good lyricist. a good lyricist has good lyrics.

wordplay, metaphors, similies, are criterias you can measure without the need of listening to the music, you could just read the lyrics. second, you can judge good lyrics without diggin the message. just because a song has a positive meaning doesnt make it good lyrically. the same goes with an ignorant song: it still could be the dopest shit lyrically.

with that said: i prefer a dope lyricist talking about some ignorant shit over a not-so-lyrical pseudo-revolutionary explaining the world with elementary school rhymes.

 

[George_Anthony]

Content, the ability to tell a good story, and good wordplay is what I look for, I could care less about punchlines, metaphors, entendres, etc. even though it takes skill in all four areas to be a superb lyricist imo.

 

[Ier30]

what has lyricism to do with flow, delivery or rhyme schemes? absolutely nothing. these are things you need to be a good rapper, but it doesnt make you a good lyricist. a good lyricist has good lyrics.

wordplay, metaphors, similies, are criterias you can measure without the need of listening to the music, you could just read the lyrics. second, you can judge good lyrics without diggin the message. just because a song has a positive meaning doesnt make it good lyrically. the same goes with an ignorant song: it still could be the dopest shit lyrically.

with that said: i prefer a dope lyricist talking about some ignorant shit over a not-so-lyrical pseudo-revolutionary explaining the world with elementary school rhymes.

you explained that shit perfectly

 

[usmarin3]

what does content have to do with lyricism? Content is the most subjective fucking shit in rap, people relate to different shit for different reason. It's how you put your words and thoughts together to paint a picture, that's the definition of lyricism to me. All that other shit (flow, delivery, rhyme schemes,etc) have nothing to do with lyricism, they are just tools use to show off the lyricism.

 

[nujerz84]

subjective you got cats who swear Camron and Wayne are dope...and Big Pun is wack lyrically.....

 

[usmarin3]

condensed language... Being able to say a lot with few words

depth

as for anyone saying that flow is not good criteria
what about iambic?

See, you got sonned. Stfu.

iambic??????????????????????????????????

 

[usmarin3]

How can you discuss lyricism and not know about iambic pentameter?

Still has nothing to do with lyricism, you're speaking about rhyme schemes, delivery and multis with iambic pentameter.

 

[playmaker88]

Coherence...

 

[EuropeanAndWhite]

what does content have to do with lyricism? Content is the most subjective fucking shit in rap, people relate to different shit for different reason. It's how you put your words and thoughts together to paint a picture, that's the definition of lyricism to me. All that other shit (flow, delivery, rhyme schemes,etc) have nothing to do with lyricism, they are just tools use to show off the lyricism.

exactly!

dope rapper != dope lyricist (and vice versa, of course).

 

[EuropeanAndWhite]

Rhyme schemes have to do with lyricism.

i disagree.

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

Havin a good beat behind it, or else it don't mean shit.

 

[nujerz84]

Havin a good beat behind it, or else it don't mean shit.

WHat does beat have to do with lyrics????????????

 

[playmaker88]

WHat does beat have to do with lyrics????????????

Not a damn thing hes probably a a 90's baby

 

[EuropeanAndWhite]

Rhyme Schemes involve the choice of words. Words make up lyrics.
Lyricism is dependent upon Lyrics.

a = b
b = c
c = d
______
a = d

Use logic plz.

a rhyme scheme doesnt do nothing to your lyrics tho. you can have a dope rhyme scheme and your lyrics could still be at a 5th graders level. just look at how many rappers write wack, forced lines just to fit their damn rhyme scheme.

and smh @ treating lyrics like a math formula.

besides: lyricism != rap. lyrics dont necessarily have to rhyme

 

[hiphophova]

just look at how many rappers write wack, forced lines just to fit their damn rhyme scheme.

and smh @ treating lyrics like a math formula.

Like Pharoe Monch, Canibus, Kweli, etc.

I think the most important part of lyricism in Rap Music ?

Is how you are saying your bars, is it slick is it poetic is it machamchismo ?

Raps best lyricist to me are thats still alive :

Raekwon

Nas

Camron

Mase

Prodigy

SP

Jada

they say that slick poetic shit, other niggas just yapping.

 

[playmaker88]

This nigga said.. camron. mase, prodigy and sp...

Murder yourself

 

[nujerz84]

This nigga said.. camron. mase, prodigy and sp...

Murder yourself

lmao..... Even though I fuck with Raewkwon heavy it takes several listens to decode what hes saying too....

 

[hiphophova]

lmao..... Even though I fuck with Raewkwon heavy it takes several listens to decode what hes saying too....

thats the beauty of it, like some disney horror park ride dude just travelles in between bars laying classic pictures effortlesslly one after the other, Prodigy does this too.

Mase & Cam would rap circles round your best, Cam invented the (No insertname) punchline, and Kweli is too forced and mutters gibberish.

let the rhyme say what you want to say
dont let the rhyme dictate what you are saying

monch,kweli,bis ...... go off the rails trying to keep intricate patterns.

 

[MysticBoy]

message and subject matter

 

[G.R.I.P. Money $$$]

smh niggas still sleepin on killa cam..