Whats all this BS hype with all these International players getting drafted so high..

[tru_m.a.c]

I see where you are coming from with the propoganda to stay in college longer which screws ppl over. However i think the BIGGER issue is players not understanding A) your not as good as your think regardless of if you are mr basketball in your state or region every top D1 player has that your not as good as your think....and then B) it does not matter how many years you stay its about consistently improving yourself on the things that are going to get you on an nba team. I think especally when it comes to big men these niggas are NOT working hard enough to elevate their game like kemba did last summer. Niggas dicking around in theese summer leagues flexing and dunking on niggas they know they can beat. But niggas need to be hitting the gym 3 times as hard as they were...niggas need to find an NBA mentor whos in the league or retired and work out with them to improve so they can raise their stock. If more niggas did this we woudln't have to outsource nba jobs to Europe and africa.

Great great points. You hit the nail on the head. The overarching problem is that the product sucks. And the product does not want to get better because the system rewards this sucking.

I think its because there is no solid metric system to analyze players.

For example, in high school, baseball players go through a ridiculous amount of saber metric scouting. There is literally no doubt what a professional baseball player should look like.

In high school, football players know exactly what 40 they need, what bench they need and what agility they need to get to D-1. State champions don't even make it into D-1 sometimes because the competition ALL OVER THE COUNTRY is just that deep. Competition breeds better talent. Better statistics forces players to work on flaws.

In high school, basketball players just have to drop points and be a certain height. So what if he has no mid range jumper. So what if he can't score in the low post. His stats say he averaged a double double and he can hop out the gym. "That nigga's nice son"

There is no REAL rigorious system that critiques players and makes them get better. You should not be allowed to call yourself a PF yet you struggle to average 10 boards a game and have no real low post game. When I come to the CS, I should be able to say, "yo ya boy is a 27% jump shooter...he sucks...and he gives up 15 pts per game to his position and the opponent scores 60% of the time from his zone when they are in a 2-3." If you don't have stats like that, you will forever have weak talent sneaking through the NBA.

Demand more. Get more.

 

[Focal Point]

Could of sworn two foreign guys were black... *shrugs*

 

[Monizzle]

Don't matter. They were not Black males from America's inner city ghettos...is what you need gain cognizance for about this post-2005 NBA that seeks not, the best players, but the players best for it's peculiar objective.

Again...shout out to AI Starbury Tinsley and a host of other real niggz who better than most of the NBA players at their positions

im confused at what your point is kinda. I mean no matter where theese niggas form college basketball are from ghetto or suburban white or black the best college players i felt got picked before the euros that being irving and williams. The rest reagardless of race or class or whatever are going to be mediocre at best (although kemba has a chance to be a dark horse). I would be pissed if there was some type of in justice to talented american players but honestly there was not the case. As crazy as it is to take theese european players with 30 seconds of footage its just as crazy to draft some of theese scrubs form college ball. Even the players from the past few years who were better than people in this draft are quickly becoming busts/waste of potentail.

 

[Nah Son]

Smh @ at the strong racism in here...Enes Kanter is the most talented young big man and will be a fucking force in the league...why yall mad?

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[Monizzle]

Smh @ at the strong racism in here...Enes Kanter is the most talented young big man and will be a fucking force in the league...why yall mad?

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co sign i have not seen any 4 or 5 in college basketball playing like this all year. That is what is funny about niggas on this thread they act like there are legitimate 4 or 5's coming out of college that are better than this dude. Like i said if there was bullshit and there were some soft euros i would call em out but this dude looks promising. Thank god he wasn't on kentucky or my huskies would have probally lost in the final four and not wont the title.

 

[Monizzle]

You niggz are reaching, hard, with these isolated incidents

but as i keep saying theese niggas reaching thinking some of theese college players gunna be phenoms in the league after pick 15. even some of theese top 10 picks from college are going to be busts.

 

[Monizzle]

You're being dishonest here, and deflecting. It's not about picking phenoms here, but the best players...and these soft buttercup Euro- guys, won't be anything for another 5-6 years...lol....whereas racists you cheered on, passed up on niggz who are far far more ready than the buttercuppity-bums you commend them for picking. Ball don't lie!...lol...just ask these high-quality niggz who went undrafted thx to your Euro-bums:



DLighty JSkeen JPullen DSaunders JPeterson RJackson SHopson TJennings Wanamaker DSummers MAmaning LDunn

did you see the draft though these teams were drafting other niggas who were terrible too it wasnt just terrible euros. The lakers took this scrub ass bench player ive seen from Uconn named alter majok who is black and yes i agree a players you posted are better than this clown but he was a college player too. Same thing with shumpert who went to the knicks..bum ass college player in the ACC which is a joke besides duke UNC and maybe FSU to be generous. The only racist pick in the draft was the kings picking jimmer to boost ticket sales which they already sold more than last year already.

The reason why they are probally not taking theese college players is because they don't get better. Some of theese white boys niggas whatever in college have not drastically improved since they got in college so why would they improve in a trainning camp. But as soft and awkward some of theese euros are they are probally like shit maybe he might work out hes only 18. Now i think a pick like ricky rubio is bullshit and hes over rated but some of the top 10 euros seem like a better risk than some of the college scrubs that polluted this draft...and i never thought i would say that but things are changing .

 

[northside7]

Don't matter. They were not Black males from America's inner city ghettos...is what you need gain cognizance for about this post-2005 NBA that seeks not, the best players, but the players best for it's peculiar objective.

Again...shout out to AI Starbury Tinsley and a host of other real niggz who better than most of the NBA players at their positions

They were black males period.

 

[DillaDeaf]

I'm with Tru Mac here................i don't give a damn where the players are from......BUT we need some form of a RIGOROUS scale that can separate real talent from potential....if the NCAA and NBA wasn't dumb...they would had made the D-League for guys straight out of HS to work on their POTENTIAL as a farm league, and let the NCAA kids be a PROVEN commodity.... I mean we see NCAA kids on TV all the time..but Euros are still like word of the mouth ....the real problem is NBA not letting HS kids though..........it fucking up the NCAA proven kids cause not many stay a full 4 years nowadays....teams get too fucked up on the 1 and done or even the 2 (or 3) done kids..................it not enough time to develop the NCAA talent.

the drafting on the euro players for a looming lockout makes for interesting scenario though, because techincally if a lockout happens, the teams don't have to play shit for that players salary, and past a certain point, they can not sign the player if they don't want thereby keeping their money until they see if it's a hard cap or a flex cap and then use to get the RFA and FA..................

 

[aneed123]

how the fuck u draft unproven Euros over proven guys like Pullen, Wannamaker, and Hopson? I dont buy that dont get better bullshit.

 

[northside7]

Your argument is trumped 20 years ago by Jalen Rose, alone, when he quantified why Duke Univesity would never come knocking at his door nor America's youth of his similar inner-city background...yet he played 13 years in the league and got into trouble off the court __ times, as a model citizen for the league...plus he light skinned

You saying fuck em because they aren't from some inner city in the U.S. or the U.S. period. You dont know their living conditions before they made it to college..

 

[GetMoneyInDaN.O.]

You saying fuck em because they aren't from some inner city in the U.S. or the U.S. period. You dont their living conditions before they made it to college..

i will say this...if u ever seen the hood in 3rd world countries compared to the us...u will take the project anyday compared to the way they livin

 

[northside7]

i will say this...if u ever seen the hood in 3rd world countries compared to the us...u will take the project anyday compared to the way they livin

Truth. I'm not sayin canada is a third world country but there is a lot of poverty and everybody isn't well off...

 

[Monizzle]

i will say this...if u ever seen the hood in 3rd world countries compared to the us...u will take the project anyday compared to the way they livin

cosign ive been on mission trips to africa and central america with my church that shit was eye opening. Niggas dont under stand how much hard it is in those countires. Ive seen 10,000 people digging in a garbage dump for their meal and shit. Its crazy.

 

[blackrain]

It makes no damn sense to draft a euorpean player unless he is gonna play.. that is bullshyt man

it makes no point to draft ANY player unless they're gonna play fuck where they're from

 

[blackrain]

I see where you are coming from with the propoganda to stay in college longer which screws ppl over. However i think the BIGGER issue is players not understanding A) your not as good as your think regardless of if you are mr basketball in your state or region every top D1 player has that your not as good as your think....and then B) it does not matter how many years you stay its about consistently improving yourself on the things that are going to get you on an nba team. I think especally when it comes to big men these niggas are NOT working hard enough to elevate their game like kemba did last summer. Niggas dicking around in theese summer leagues flexing and dunking on niggas they know they can beat. But niggas need to be hitting the gym 3 times as hard as they were...niggas need to find an NBA mentor whos in the league or retired and work out with them to improve so they can raise their stock. If more niggas did this we woudln't have to outsource nba jobs to Europe and africa.

this here...there's a reason nobody said shit about Shaq calling himself the last real center left...this nigga really was...too many American players think playing in AAU ball against the same niggas you been dunking on since you were 13 will make your skills better...it won't...consistently playing against people you're better than won't really do much other than make you a bigger case to be a one and done college player...Harrison Barnes and Jared Sullinger made the right decision by staying another year...yeah they could've have been clear lottery picks this year, but why go into the NBA with skills you KNOW are undeveloped and end up looking like a bust because you were chasing money and listening to people who only tell you what you can do on the court and not what you need to work on...

 

[aijalon]

Ain't nobody checking for crossovers no more. Length and ability to shoot is what's hot right now

 

[ysl313]

enes kanter or kemba will get roy...and i agree a bit the drafting of euro guys is mostly hype over substances but let's not act like every nigga from the hood that can hoop is out here worthy of lottery picks...kwame brown said waddup...

 

[ysl313]

say right now, in this thread, you dont think ens kanter is a good player regardless of race...

him and kemba will run for roy with maybe irving, knight, and williams fighting for the other spots easily

 

[So ILL]

dude. Please tell me that you are talking about, post-rookie contracts, because if not then you are extremely wrong here.

Yes, I'm talking about post-rookie contracts, what else could I be talking about?