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georgia boi;2849456 said:How does Jay Z not have charisma? I don't think people know exactly what charisma is. By definition, charisma is defined as "a spiritual power or personal quality that gives an individual influence or authority over large numbers of people", "a special personal quality or power of an individual making him capable of influencing or inspiring large numbers of people", "a quality inherent in a thing which inspires great enthusiasm and devotion".
^^^Having read that, tell me how Jay Z does not have charisma? He couldn't be one of the most influential rappers without it. Being "boring" is highly subjective and has nothing to do with being charismatic. You can't move the amount of units that he has without having a high degree of charisma. Furthermore, it's quite contradictory to say that Wayne and T.I. are charismatic and say Jay Z doesn't.
ether-i-am;2849670 said:The music. That's it. You can't force people to support your shit. You can't force people to buy tickets to your shows. You can't force other artist to ask you for features. You can't force the individuals to follow your trends. Jay-z had the talent and the connections before he meet dame (remember he was touring with Jaz and Big Daddy Kane before RD). People always say Jay-z wanted to be like some other rapper yet no other rappers have done what he has done. There is no flow where you can say "yeah he flowing like such a such". His business acumen was on point since his entrance into the game. You hear of others mistakes rarely of his. If Dame was the "it" factor for Jay then Jay shouldn't be where he is today in the business works, Dame should.
Of all the stories about the dirty music industry Jay-z has not be a victim to none of it. He's made the industry a victim of his. He bought out his final contract and was paid to start his own shit. He doesn't and never had to send emails to his record execs to release his music.
Plus Dame could've had Roc-a-fella all he had to do was release his owner ship of RD. That's it. Look what happen.
BoYBe$T;2849669 said:his lyrics may be charismatic and influential but him as a person is dull and boring ..... also awkward .
bootcheese3000;2851762 said:to me charisma means personality, spice, something different, a "jean nais c'est quoi" as the french put it. jay doesn't possess any of that. he's just mediocre and doing the same shit his peers were doing, it was timing that made him the force he is today, that and being a brownnoser and hip-hop jock-hopper hopping from 1 trend to the next.
thesynthesis;2847321 said:1: pac dying
bootcheese3000;2851702 said:not to mention tupac was dead and the south was making an emergence so new york needed to get back on top of the game. jay-z was never too charismatic or original, he built his career off of biting other emcees but alot of these young cats don't remember his shit from the early 90s and really don't care, they just make their own rules and are trying to reinvent hip-hop according to their beliefs and opinions as if ours don't count let alone the legacy other emcees left behind. that's why you got kids thinking hip-hop started when biggie and tupac and bone thugs were on the scene.
georgia boi;2852059 said:You can't be serious. Jay Z is a rapper that rappers aspire to be because of his persona. Jay Z is viewed as cool and is considered one of the "it" rappers. Un-charismatic rappers don't sell out Madison Square Garden. Un-charismatic rappers can't share a stage with stars as big as Beyonce, Wayne, Eminem, Mary J. Blige etc. and still be recognize. Jay has presence on the stage and on record. Him being "dull and boring" is an opinion, but it has no bearing on whether he's charismatic or not.
Possessing "something different" isn't charisma. Jay's music has personality and spice, if it didn't he wouldn't even be a factor. Someone can be the biggest biter in the world and still be charismatic. Originality is not a characteristic of a charismatic person. Again, you don't understand the concept of being charismatic.
Disciplined InSight;2853317 said:No not really...It took Jay YEARS to build that base to sell out Madison Square, because in all seriousness he wasn't so charismatic in his earlier career and performances. He was too laid back, and yes it's true he was dull and boring.
Jay's "personality and spice" came from a mixture of rappers..Kane, Biggie and Jaz-O.
usmarin3;2853354 said:How do you aquire personality exactly? lmfao
Disciplined InSight;2853317 said:No not really...It took Jay YEARS to build that base to sell out Madison Square, because in all seriousness he wasn't so charismatic in his earlier career and performances. He was too laid back, and yes it's true he was dull and boring.
Jay's "personality and spice" came from a mixture of rappers..Kane, Biggie and Jaz-O.
NeighberHoodPusher;2853047 said:[video=youtube;oGmlYPEea1w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGmlYPEea1w[/video]
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It's funny in that last part you mentioned that because besides his lyrics, which I've keep mentioning in the opening page WHAT ELSE could it be nobody really can't come up with anything. And LOL @ you mentioning biting and mimicking having no bearing on being charismatic..good point considering Jay has been doing major biting throughout his career. That's exactly the point I've been trying to make in this thread.georgia boi;2853442 said:I thought this thread had to do with Jay's "it" factor after he blew up. Again, ya'll are mistaking charisma with other qualities. Not comparing Jay to Obama, but Obama's criticism when campaigning was that he was "too laid back". Him being laid back didn't make him any less charismatic, he just wasn't as loud or outspoken. Being laid back has nothing to do with charisma. It's like saying Slick Rick had no charisma even though he wasn't as loud as LL or Run DMC back in the day.
It doesn't matter what his personality is mixture of. Everybody living is a mixture of two people from whom they receive characteristics and personality traits, but they still have their own personas. It's the same with music. Their are different traits from different artists in the musical DNA of anyone that's ever recorded a song. Biting or mimicing someone has no bearing on being charismatic.
Charisma is basically the magnet that draws people to something. It has nothing to do with all of the extra stuff you're listing.
aijalon;2853466 said:Jay has a knack for positioning himself around the right people. That's how he's maintained his success. Jay is a savvy and oft times sleazy business man. A black Jew in my estimation. He'd fuck his own mother over if that's what it took to be successful.
Disciplined InSight;2853569 said:It's funny in that last part you mentioned that because besides his lyrics, which I've keep mentioning in the opening page WHAT ELSE could it be nobody really can't come up with anything. And LOL @ you mentioning biting and mimicking having no bearing on being charismatic..good point considering Jay has been doing major biting throughout his career. That's exactly the point I've been trying to make in this thread.
Plus....the Jay-Z in the interviews isn't nothing like it is on his record..a lot of people don't realize that. People with true charisma will carry themselves the same way every time no matter what. Russell Simmons mentioned about Slick Rick on a documentary that he was cocky and never was afraid to let anyone know it..he always carried himself like that in interviews and record. LL was cocky, so was Run DMC and carried on the same persona in interviews and their records. If you wanna know currently, Diddy..he carries himself the same way, so does Ludacris and T.I. as well.
You are absolutely correct..that and the death of Big and Tupac. That's Jay's "it" factor. Well put and concrete truth..people don't wanna hear that though because it'll hurt a few feelings.
