What was Hip Hop Like Back in the 80's and early 90's?

[blackdemo]

Yeah i was born in 90 and always wondered this. I remember when i was 4 hearing OPP by naughty by nature on the radio and i loved it. Didnt hear much hip hop till 99 when eminem came out. I bought the cd and my mom heard it and took it from me, but i went and bought another with my allowance. Soon as i figured out how to download full albums (around 02-03.) i just started to reverse it and got everything i could find from the 90's and late 80's didnt get everything but what i do have, i wish i was born in 1980 instead cuz that would be dope to hear when it was brand new. Then when i got old and heard todays shit i could say the whole "Back in my day" speech.

This is my same exact story, i went hard on the 80s, 90s n underground 90s joints as well. i gotta make a thread on them 90s underground shits one day, i kno itll flop but there was some ill shit comin out. im born in 91 but i def wish i was born earlier, n i got knowledge about the old school music and artist wise heavy. I like how the game is now too, its got its own edge, n it changed fast

 

[StillFaggyAF]

powerful thread...

 

[blackdemo]

this. i listened to mostly 90s hip hop until my sophomore year in high school

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same thing, then after that i started tryna listen to the newer generatgion of hip hop n get on message boards, in like 07-08 wit Mickey Factz, Joe budden (the who), Wale, Wiz khalifa, Saigon, Lupe, Blu, Curresny, Kid Cudi, B.O.B, etc. when in my opinion hip hop had a strong "mainstream underground" where hip hop started gettin snap dance, n dance tracks, the underground scene was comin up heavy.

To my southern posters who OGs when the whole eastcoast westcoast thing started goin on who was being favored on the streets, radio, the community basically?? and who was honestly competing against pac? i have an idea but since i didnt live it i wouldnt kno

 

[rapmastermind]

good analysis...
however...
cultural significance >>> sales...
there is too much interloper influence when u bring sales into the equation... imho...

I agree but culturally, "RTD" is clearly in the class with "36C" and "ILLmatic" but what separated "Ready To Die" was it had the critical acclaim and sales to match. "ILLmatic" took 1yr 1/2 to go Gold and "36 Chambers" took a 1yr 1/2 to end up Plat. By that time Biggie was already Multi-Platinum and again had a critically acclaimed album. Biggie was able to do what Dre and Snoop did, have critical acclaim and the sales to match.

 

[white715]

this the type of shit that was hot when I was still impressionable:
[video=youtube;STcgza9tnrc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=STcgza9tnrc[/video]

Trugoy's 1st verse is one of the hardest joints ever

 

[704Hustla]

from a youngins perspective during that time...80's baby reppin..the late 80's and early 90's was a cool time..the hip hop around that time was lighthearted and fun and on the flip side the street rappers at the time were more like hood reporters and like the other posters said it was all about variety in the late 80's i used to watch yo mtv raps around the time and it was nothin to see "king of rock" "night of the livin baseheads" "me myself and i" "childrens story" "express yourself" "you gots to chill" "life is too short" "wild thing" "push it" "i'm bad" all in the same line up...and public enemy was huge in the late 80's "fight the power" used to be on tv and radio like lil wayne's "lollipop" for real..i remember rappin some of the lyrics like "elvis was a hero to most but he never met shit to cause he straight out racist..muthafuck him and john wayne" "most of my hero's don't appear on no stamp"...i remember positive k "what your man got to do with me" was also a big hit..it was cool to dance then..but when 93 hit shit changed overnight..the chronic changed urban music as a whole not just hip hop but to me that was what started that dividing line between hip hop...like the stuff you see now..that's how it was back in 93 when the chronic and g-funk blew up...now some older heads may dislike it cause they came up in a different era but youngins at the time was all over it..and there was nothing that sounded like it when it dropped although "murder rap" from above the law was debatable the chronic killed the whole new jack swing and political rap and hardcore rap on the pedestal...no diss to ice cube or das efx cause back in 92 they definitely did their thing and kinda was in the forefront to push that grimey style..and as far as pac and biggie go...the real popular cats for the new school back in 93/94 was snoop and method man but once that "east coast vs west coast" shit blew up the attention went to pac and biggie cause of the whole bad boy and death row shit..and yeah death row in the mid 90's was like cash money in the late 90's or young money now time two cause they had notoriety...but i know it was a long post but shit i remember this like yesterday i aint even really get on the mid 90s and def not the late 90's yet

 

[blackdemo]

[video=youtube;Al_TA3FZl2w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al_TA3FZl2w&feature=channel_video_title[/video]

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[704Hustla]

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same thing, then after that i started tryna listen to the newer generatgion of hip hop n get on message boards, in like 07-08 wit Mickey Factz, Joe budden (the who), Wale, Wiz khalifa, Saigon, Lupe, Blu, Curresny, Kid Cudi, B.O.B, etc. when in my opinion hip hop had a strong "mainstream underground" where hip hop started gettin snap dance, n dance tracks, the underground scene was comin up heavy.

To my southern posters who OGs when the whole eastcoast westcoast thing started goin on who was being favored on the streets, radio, the community basically?? and who was honestly competing against pac? i have an idea but since i didnt live it i wouldnt kno

don't know if you like my answer but it would be the west coast..down south fucked with everything...but to keep it one hunnid...the south and west coast back in the 90's were like cousins..the south in the mid 90's had a sound greatly influenced by the west coast until the late 90's especially the rap scene not so much the dance/bounce/booty scene that's southern shit..and a lot of the 1st generation southern rappers (ugk/8ball &mjg,scarface/geto boys,etc) would say like too short was one of their main influences in fact they worked with west coast artist way before new york artist back then

 

[blackdemo]

Dope examples of remixes i fucks with, im sure yall would too
[video=youtube;3eBQgbJ7Glw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eBQgbJ7Glw&ob=av2e[/video]

[video=youtube;YyKzcHs-h4U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyKzcHs-h4U&feature=channel_video_title[/video]

[video=youtube;6ETKW0ZB3zM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ETKW0ZB3zM[/video]

 

[blackdemo]

don't know if you like my answer but it would be the west coast..down south fucked with everything...but to keep it one hunnid...the south and west coast back in the 90's were like cousins..the south in the mid 90's had a sound greatly influenced by the west coast until the late 90's especially the rap scene not so much the dance/bounce/booty scene that's southern shit..and a lot of the 1st generation southern rappers (ugk/8ball &mjg,scarface/geto boys,etc) would say like too short was one of their main influences in fact they worked with west coast artist way before new york artist back then

I wouldnt doubt that, i was kinda hinting that too cuz like ice cube fucked with scarface, n southern videos kinda had a taste of that west coast style, earlier southern artist was dope from what ive heard. n lol with Too short, i could def imagine that, pimpin in the south is always a big thing. pimpin these shawties out chea wat it iiihh

 

[white715]

Two of my favorites from back in the day both of these videos has cameos from other artists and everbodys have fun, and even for hardcore cats like Naughty and Onyx it wasn't uncool to show your love and appreciation for Hip-Hop and also notice young cats like the Youngstas and Kris Cross paying homage to vets, young cats nowadays have no respect for the past.

[video=youtube;CBCq-Z08OEs]http://www.youtube.com/v/CBCq-Z08OEs[/video]

[video=youtube;qA2_-eQ26tY]http://www.youtube.com/v/qA2_-eQ26tY[/video]

 

[704Hustla]

I wouldnt doubt that, i was kinda hinting that too cuz like ice cube fucked with scarface, n southern videos kinda had a taste of that west coast style, earlier southern artist was dope from what ive heard. n lol with Too short, i could def imagine that, pimpin in the south is always a big thing. pimpin these shawties out chea wat it iiihh

lol...true that..back in the day especially in the early to mid 90's (houston for example..5th ward boyz) it was nothin to see niggaz in the whole flannel gear and loc's with the gold earrings...and yea too shirt was real big in the south back in the days..that's why he for the most part he get love down here and is always collaborating with southern artists..they grew up off that nigga..cant speak for the 3rd generation though..even some southern folks dont like the new shit out now

 

[Truerap]

Shit i was born in 93 but I heard most of the songs from the 90s.

Youtube comes in handy.

 

[_Menace_]

Dope thread....

How Big was Pac in 96???

thank god tommy didnt post in here it wouldve been some bullshit he made up.

 

[stealthbomber]

NIGGA IT WAS INSTANT HEAT. death row couldnt lose for a long time after that. but nigga the chronic?? it wasnt like now where EVERYBODY damn near smokes weed. it was more here and there and in certain circles youd almost be looked at like a hype or maybe a wino for a weed habit. but boy oh boy was that shit the soundtrack to some smoke sessions...

the chronic hit hard but doggystyle was that shit that just shut the game down.

lol thats a trip to me cuz in my generation its almost opposite. not smoking weed is seen as weird and prudish. but i ask about that cuz i wasn born in 91 and in 5th grade which woulda been about 2000 i found it in my dads cd collection and snuck it out to listen to it lol. first rap album i ever listened to all the way through and i been sayin bitches aint shit since

 

[stealthbomber]

another question. did producers mainly work with their own people or is it like now where rappers would get different producers beats on their albums? and were producers as well known as they are now or were they mostly in the background?

 

[Paul Hate.]

Youtube is your freind...

Modern Mcing started with LL Cool J and radio 85 then it took a lyrical competition turn with Paid in Full,then Kane and Kool G rap came along and everyone stepped their games up in the east.

Eric B and Rakim,Big Daddy Kane,Boogie Down Productions/KRS-1,LL Cool J,Slick Rick,Kpol G Rap are the blueprints for all modern east coast MC's..

With the west and south Scarface/Ghetto Boys and ICE T and NWA...those are the southern/western godfathers...

Gangsta Rap really started with ICE T and Schooly D but really it was NWA that made it a marketing tactic..

That whole side of the country was mostly gangsta rap and it greatly influenced the south(beleleive it or not).

New York entered a funk and didnt snap out of it till Nas and Illmatic started showing life,then Biggie and the Mobb Deep and Wu Classics...the east too their shit back. while the west had a second generation with 2pac and Snoop and ICE cube going solo.

The architects of modern southern mcing came of age during this period as well,8 Ball and MJG and UGK and Scarface dropped a couple classics...

You been alive since then im assuming since there you go...

 

[Paul Hate.]

another question. did producers mainly work with their own people or is it like now where rappers would get different producers beats on their albums? and were producers as well known as they are now or were they mostly in the background?

In the early 80's nah they used to use 1 or 2 producers for entire albums.Marley Marl produced like six or seven joints a year,Rick Rubin,etc...Then you had Eric B and Rakim who had a few cats slide them tracks and started that trend of using all star producers for their sound.By the very late 80's you saw a bunch of different producers...

Most producers were in the background by the golden era(after LL's debut) expect for Marley Marl,Rick Rubin,Dre I suppose.Before that in the "disco era" of rap MCs were the secondary attraction while DJ's were the shit..

 

[Paul Hate.]

Dope thread....

How Big was Pac in 96???

thank god tommy didnt post in here it wouldve been some bullshit he made up.

From about 94-till death Pac was bigger than life,only people fucking wit pac was big and snoop...

 

[Daddy_PeaceBuck$]

another question. did producers mainly work with their own people or is it like now where rappers would get different producers beats on their albums? and were producers as well known as they are now or were they mostly in the background?

They basically worked within their own camp. For example Marley Marl produced for the artists in the Juice Crew. Mark the 45 King for Flava Unit

But alot of the mcess were the producers of their music back then. De La, ATCQ. EPMD

Nah. Producers were not in the limelight back then. All you cared about was the lyrics and beat. Not who made it.. At least I did.