What Are The Alternatives To Voting?

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

Lmao @blackrain wanting my attention in multiple forums. Shits hilarious and wild homo but....its 2016. Do u.

On topic, government in the United States is supposed to be for the people, by the people. Has it strayed?? Of course, but that's the fault of non voters. Pooling resources makes sense until it's restricted by legislation and then you're back to square one. The solution in a democracy is voting for people that share your interests and holding them accountable. That's the president on down. Period

The US has never been "by the people, for the people", or at least not Black and Brown people. It looks good on paper though. If the system has strayed because of non voters, then that means our problems in the US as Black People didn't start until after we were so graciously "given the right to vote".

And not pooling our resources together and building and doing what we know needs to be done for ourselves and our future generations out of fear needs to be addressed as well. What if legislation x,y,x? "What if" is fear. No matter what their reactions are to our actions is and will be irrelevant because we won't be waiting for approval or denial to build.

Fuck permits, policies, and paperwork when comes to applying the necessary steps to our and our future generations progress and ultimate freedom. Paperwork, permits, and policies only means something if you're building within the guidelines of the system.

As far as accountability goes, if my conditions are fucked up, I can't point to the next man and say "I told him/her to fix it", or "but he promised". As a grown man, I can't do that.

You're missing the point. I'm not suggesting u don't go through the steps to do what u can to better your situation, but you're apart of a collective. The changes you're looking for is for all black and brown people in America, right?? How do u go about affecting change for the masses in a country governed by politicians without being a part of that process??

Representatives are there for a reason. To represent the masses. A better strategy would be for African Americans and Latinos to become more politically involved, become lawyers, judges, etc. The system isn't going to change bruh. But the people wielding power can. Just my opinion

agreed the system is the system.. because of the people who inhabit the system.. it has to be a mass effort idk how likely that is but thats what it will take .. ambition can't be your sole motivation as it often is.. service an combating the inadequacies/supremacy needs to be paramount.. we dont just need changing faces.. but changing minds/approaches

Different minds in the same system will still perpetuate the same conditions because it's the same system, process or condition. Employees at a job are all different minds, but it doesn't matter because they're all apart of the same system so the conditions remain.

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

Nothing should be off the table if you really talking about enacting any kind of change.

Nonprofits and other community organizations are a good start. You still need political relationships in order to get funds, rights, protections etc.

I'm talking about putting ourselves in a position to where we create and establish our own policies, funds, rights, and protections.

 

[jono]

Nothing should be off the table if you really talking about enacting any kind of change.

Nonprofits and other community organizations are a good start. You still need political relationships in order to get funds, rights, protections etc.

I'm talking about putting ourselves in a position to where we create and establish our own policies, funds, rights, and protections.

Not going to happen. You can create your own funds. There's numerous ways to gather currency, every organization has policies but rights can only be extended by the government. Especially when we talking about safety, and property.

 

[LUClEN]

Political leverage is gained by money...

Or power. Many countries are leveraged by militaries

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

Nothing should be off the table if you really talking about enacting any kind of change.

Nonprofits and other community organizations are a good start. You still need political relationships in order to get funds, rights, protections etc.

I'm talking about putting ourselves in a position to where we create and establish our own policies, funds, rights, and protections.

Not going to happen. You can create your own funds. There's numerous ways to gather currency, every organization has policies but rights can only be extended by the government. Especially when we talking about safety, and property.

@jono

That's a defeated mentality to just decide nothing will happen. It provides n excuse to not be active.

But more importantly, our inalienable rights are given to us by our creator, not a government or any man or woman for that matter. For example, the constitution doesn't give us the "right" to free speech, the fact that we were born with mouths and a voice box does.

No human being can give or take another human beings rights, but I can make a conscious decision to submit my rights to another.

 

[LordZuko]

Money moves legislation even on a local level. The game runs deep and been running a long time. The only way to change our position is through a process more intricate and developed than the original plot to maneuver us to the bottom.

In short we have to get our money up and we have to use that money to maneuver ourselves into positions in private corporations. Private corporations fund politicians, send lobbyists and draft legislation which is eventually turned into law and policy.

We are facing an entrenched enemy that we cannot fight head up or even within the confines of the established rules. We must think like a people who know change will only come via infiltration, secret meetings, and leverage.

voting is not leverage. money is leverage. get your money up.

now if we want to have that discussion we'll actually be moving forward.

this here is talking in circles.

I agree to an extent. Money puts u at the table but at the end of the day, wealthy people's vote counts just like yours in elections. Votes are what keep legislators/politicians in office. There's a way to gain financial clout AND vote effectively to get what u want, but it takes a communal effort. Not voting isn't a solution in any scenario

You cannot seriously say that a wealthy mans vote and a poor mans are equal. A wealthy man has one vote plus a whole bank roll. A poor man has a ballot in one hand and his dick in the other.

Think like a politician, whose "vote" is really gonna matter more?

 

[LordZuko]

Political leverage is gained by money...

Or power. Many countries are leveraged by militaries

Money funds militaries. Niggas ain't outchea fighting for free.

 

[jono]

Nothing should be off the table if you really talking about enacting any kind of change.

Nonprofits and other community organizations are a good start. You still need political relationships in order to get funds, rights, protections etc.

I'm talking about putting ourselves in a position to where we create and establish our own policies, funds, rights, and protections.

Not going to happen. You can create your own funds. There's numerous ways to gather currency, every organization has policies but rights can only be extended by the government. Especially when we talking about safety, and property.

@jono

That's a defeated mentality to just decide nothing will happen. It provides n excuse to not be active.

But more importantly, our inalienable rights are given to us by our creator, not a government or any man or woman for that matter. For example, the constitution doesn't give us the "right" to free speech, the fact that we were born with mouths and a voice box does.

No human being can give or take another human beings rights, but I can make a conscious decision to submit my rights to another.

Listen thats all well and good in theory but in the real world there are these things called laws and with laws there's legal actions and illegal actions as described by said law.

In Rainbowland you can do whatever you want whenever you want and nobody will or can do anything but in real life all your hard work will be thrown away by not following proper protocol.

Its silly to think you can create any organization that has any land or rights without proper paperwork. If you operating with your head in the clouds then you not going to help anyone.

 

[Crude_]

You can still do everything T/S mentioned while still voting for the lesser of the evils.

Like it or not you'll be governed by this same system that is trying to oppress you so you might as well take a part in the democratic process.

SPOILERED FOR LENGTH CONSIDERATION

Spoiler

The government primarily benefits Whites and tends to do little for Blacks in its legislation; however, if you want to start a Renaissance you damn well better have a vision for it and know know how to get it off the ground and most people do not.

Most just spew platitude.

The government is run by lobbyist and special interest groups most of which are started, headed, run, or owned by some wealthy White man.

Since Blacks don't have wealth on the scale of Whites or the voting numbers we don't have any stake or ownership in these type of groups therefore a lot of legislation that would possibly help Black people is never heard.

These wealthy White men fund these racist politicians that most of the time are going to work in their best interest to keep their funding and keep getting re-elected.

Wealthy White men do not care anything about Blacks, Hispanics, or poor Whites either for that matter. Most of those wealthy White men only care about protecting their current wealth and getting wealthier.

That's generally why you see such a strong opposition to higher taxes and such on the wealthy from certain political subgroups within a party.

Black people need to keep everything Black. One place we do have strength that most don't realize is in our purchasing power.

We'll go get owners, CEO, CFOs, etc even richer supporting White owned ish like Walmart, Apple, Nike, etc when we could buy and start our own companies of a similar business model.

In reality, Black folks could stop buying a lot of that BS sold by the aforementioned and certain entities within those multi-billion dollar companies would likely be more receptive to issues of the Black plight once their pocket books were hit.

Tim Cook, the Waltons, and Mark Parker likely don't care anything about Black people but they take no issue getting wealthy on the backs of low income Blacks that pay exponential mark up prices for their products.

A lot of people never evaluate deeper than the surface to recognize how the balance of power is established though.

They'll charge you $150 for something it took them 10-20 bucks to make; yea I know that's business but look at who they are mostly exploiting.

Whites with good business acumen will come and make a fortune on the backs of the disadvantaged.

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

Nothing should be off the table if you really talking about enacting any kind of change.

Nonprofits and other community organizations are a good start. You still need political relationships in order to get funds, rights, protections etc.

I'm talking about putting ourselves in a position to where we create and establish our own policies, funds, rights, and protections.

Not going to happen. You can create your own funds. There's numerous ways to gather currency, every organization has policies but rights can only be extended by the government. Especially when we talking about safety, and property.

@jono

That's a defeated mentality to just decide nothing will happen. It provides n excuse to not be active.

But more importantly, our inalienable rights are given to us by our creator, not a government or any man or woman for that matter. For example, the constitution doesn't give us the "right" to free speech, the fact that we were born with mouths and a voice box does.

No human being can give or take another human beings rights, but I can make a conscious decision to submit my rights to another.

Listen thats all well and good in theory but in the real world there are these things called laws and with laws there's legal actions and illegal actions as described by said law.

In Rainbowland you can do whatever you want whenever you want and nobody will or can do anything but in real life all your hard work will be thrown away by not following proper protocol.

Its silly to think you can create any organization that has any land or rights without proper paperwork. If you operating with your head in the clouds then you not going to help anyone.

Rainbow land huh? Damn. Well let's talk about reality real quick, or real life as you put it. Reality is bound by natural law, photosynthesis, gravity, etc. Policies of the land are ideas but they aren't reality. Policies can be made and broken, natural law can't.

Every single thing we do in life will have a consequence. Everything.

At what point is it necessary to stand up and do what's right and do what you know needs to be done regardless of potential consequences?

I notice you regularly take the submissive approach with your comments and that needs to stop, for real.

What do you stand for @jono ? What are you willing to fight or sacrifice for?

The truth is that the action I've been taking out here is creating and changing policies locally. But regardless of policy, were gonna be out here putting in the necessary work anyway. The action created policy.

Sometimes you have to break the rules. And yes, there will be consequences, and eventually there will be consequences for trying to hinder our progress individually and as a people.

 

[jono]

Nothing should be off the table if you really talking about enacting any kind of change.

Nonprofits and other community organizations are a good start. You still need political relationships in order to get funds, rights, protections etc.

I'm talking about putting ourselves in a position to where we create and establish our own policies, funds, rights, and protections.

Not going to happen. You can create your own funds. There's numerous ways to gather currency, every organization has policies but rights can only be extended by the government. Especially when we talking about safety, and property.

@jono

That's a defeated mentality to just decide nothing will happen. It provides n excuse to not be active.

But more importantly, our inalienable rights are given to us by our creator, not a government or any man or woman for that matter. For example, the constitution doesn't give us the "right" to free speech, the fact that we were born with mouths and a voice box does.

No human being can give or take another human beings rights, but I can make a conscious decision to submit my rights to another.

Listen thats all well and good in theory but in the real world there are these things called laws and with laws there's legal actions and illegal actions as described by said law.

In Rainbowland you can do whatever you want whenever you want and nobody will or can do anything but in real life all your hard work will be thrown away by not following proper protocol.

Its silly to think you can create any organization that has any land or rights without proper paperwork. If you operating with your head in the clouds then you not going to help anyone.

Rainbow land huh? Damn. Well let's talk about reality real quick, or real life as you put it. Reality is bound by natural law, photosynthesis, gravity, etc. Policies of the land are ideas but they aren't reality. Policies can be made and broken, natural law can't.

Every single thing we do in life will have a consequence. Everything.

At what point is it necessary to stand up and do what's right and do what you know needs to be done regardless of potential consequences?

I notice you regularly take the submissive approach with your comments and that needs to stop, for real.

What do you stand for @jono ? What are you willing to fight or sacrifice for?

The truth is that the action I've been taking out here is creating and changing policies locally. But regardless of policy, were gonna be out here putting in the necessary work anyway. The action created policy.

Sometimes you have to break the rules. And yes, there will be consequences, and eventually there will be consequences for trying to hinder our progress individually and as a people.

Asinine sentiment. You asking people to put effort into a futile struggle that can be reversed due to your own personal feelings on a subject.

This shit shouldn't be about YOU.

That's the issue, which is almost always the case. You are making a decision based on what YOU "think" NOT on reality or common sense.

The law is as real as the skin on your face. You can be a fool if you want to but don't drag other people down with you. You trying too boost your own ego at the expense of everyone else.

People who want to help their community will put their own ego aside, their own wants aside and build upon Whats needed.

What's needed is legal protection, legal rights and privileges not gotdamn regurgitated fairy tales. You must think you're the only smart guy to ever come along and think this anarchist society can work.

Newsflash, if it did people would have been done it. You not the first and won't be the last.

You playing games and people are out here doing it for real and doing it the right way.

These people have organizations, they have money, they have legal rights to do whatever they want to on their land and volunteers that can be assured its all above board.

All these fantasies and high theorizing is worthless. You talk about action nigga? Let's see some action. You trying to cut corners and you can't half ass change.

Either do it right or take your bullshit elsewhere. I gave you the answer to the OP. Now the ball is in your court.

Form a nonprofit, hire or learn how to write grants, gather funds, buy land, hire people or solicit volunteers and build or you can keep up this pseudo-intellectual mental masturbation. Choice is yours pimp.

Get your head out of the clouds.

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

Nothing should be off the table if you really talking about enacting any kind of change.

Nonprofits and other community organizations are a good start. You still need political relationships in order to get funds, rights, protections etc.

I'm talking about putting ourselves in a position to where we create and establish our own policies, funds, rights, and protections.

Not going to happen. You can create your own funds. There's numerous ways to gather currency, every organization has policies but rights can only be extended by the government. Especially when we talking about safety, and property.

@jono

That's a defeated mentality to just decide nothing will happen. It provides n excuse to not be active.

But more importantly, our inalienable rights are given to us by our creator, not a government or any man or woman for that matter. For example, the constitution doesn't give us the "right" to free speech, the fact that we were born with mouths and a voice box does.

No human being can give or take another human beings rights, but I can make a conscious decision to submit my rights to another.

Listen thats all well and good in theory but in the real world there are these things called laws and with laws there's legal actions and illegal actions as described by said law.

In Rainbowland you can do whatever you want whenever you want and nobody will or can do anything but in real life all your hard work will be thrown away by not following proper protocol.

Its silly to think you can create any organization that has any land or rights without proper paperwork. If you operating with your head in the clouds then you not going to help anyone.

Rainbow land huh? Damn. Well let's talk about reality real quick, or real life as you put it. Reality is bound by natural law, photosynthesis, gravity, etc. Policies of the land are ideas but they aren't reality. Policies can be made and broken, natural law can't.

Every single thing we do in life will have a consequence. Everything.

At what point is it necessary to stand up and do what's right and do what you know needs to be done regardless of potential consequences?

I notice you regularly take the submissive approach with your comments and that needs to stop, for real.

What do you stand for @jono ? What are you willing to fight or sacrifice for?

The truth is that the action I've been taking out here is creating and changing policies locally. But regardless of policy, were gonna be out here putting in the necessary work anyway. The action created policy.

Sometimes you have to break the rules. And yes, there will be consequences, and eventually there will be consequences for trying to hinder our progress individually and as a people.

Asinine sentiment. You asking people to put effort into a futile struggle that can be reversed due to your own personal feelings on a subject.

This shit shouldn't be about YOU.

That's the issue, which is almost always the case. You are making a decision based on what YOU "think" NOT on reality or common sense.

The law is as real as the skin on your face. You can be a fool if you want to but don't drag other people down with you. You trying too boost your own ego at the expense of everyone else.

People who want to help their community will put their own ego aside, their own wants aside and build upon Whats needed.

What's needed is legal protection, legal rights and privileges not gotdamn regurgitated fairy tales. You must think you're the only smart guy to ever come along and think this anarchist society can work.

Newsflash, if it did people would have been done it. You not the first and won't be the last.

You playing games and people are out here doing it for real and doing it the right way.

These people have organizations, they have money, they have legal rights to do whatever they want to on their land and volunteers that can be assured its all above board.

All these fantasies and high theorizing is worthless. You talk about action nigga? Let's see some action. You trying to cut corners and you can't half ass change.

Either do it right or take your bullshit elsewhere. I gave you the answer to the OP. Now the ball is in your court.

Form a nonprofit, hire or learn how to write grants, gather funds, buy land, hire people or solicit volunteers and build or you can keep up this pseudo-intellectual mental masturbation. Choice is yours pimp.

Get your head out of the clouds.

Personal feelings? How have you made this about me and my ego?

This entire thread is about what we can do, or what actions we can apply on an individual level and collectively as a people.

I gave examples of solutions I was applying in my life as examples of things that can be applied. It has nothing to do with personal want. Every action applied is about what is needed individually and as a community.

But let you tell it I'm just out here bullshittin because I've been taking an unorthodox approach and I'm not building within the guidelines I was given. Do you realize that the ones who gave us those guidelines are the ones who created the conditions we're struggling to change?

You have a hopeless and defeated mentality @jono . Why? What happened?

Does it upset you that others who aren't hopeless and haven't given up are out here doing something and applying solutions?

Here nigga, Take your own advise and press play. Get motivated.
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/552809/melodic-motivation#latest

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

 

[JokerzWyld]

What is humorous about this subject is that people arguing the merits of voting as a means to accomplish a political objective fail to realize that the gaining of the right to vote in itself was accomplished without voting.

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

What is humorous about this subject is that people arguing the merits of voting as a means to accomplish a political objective fail to realize that the gaining of the right to vote in itself was accomplished without voting.

Action created the policy. But it was the action that mattered.

I wonder who the Black Panthers asked permission to to feed the children of the community. Did they wait for permits and permission to do what needed to be done, or did they just do it regardless of potential consequences?

 

[Kwan Dai]

What is humorous about this subject is that people arguing the merits of voting as a means to accomplish a political objective fail to realize that the gaining of the right to vote in itself was accomplished without voting.

Action created the policy. But it was the action that mattered.

I wonder who the Black Panthers asked permission to to feed the children of the community. Did they wait for permits and permission to do what needed to be done, or did they just do it regardless of potential consequences?

What you're suggesting demands actually work and most of all sacrifice. These scared assed negroes aint about that life.

Some one actually said, "vote for the lessor of two evils. SERIOUSLY??? FOH. No way in hell should a man with morals, and integrity every choose evil. WTH?

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

What is humorous about this subject is that people arguing the merits of voting as a means to accomplish a political objective fail to realize that the gaining of the right to vote in itself was accomplished without voting.

Action created the policy. But it was the action that mattered.

I wonder who the Black Panthers asked permission to to feed the children of the community. Did they wait for permits and permission to do what needed to be done, or did they just do it regardless of potential consequences?

What you're suggesting demands actually work and most of all sacrifice. These scared assed negroes aint about that life.

Some one actually said, "vote for the lessor of two evils. SERIOUSLY??? FOH. No way in hell should a man with morals, and integrity every choose evil. WTH?

Yes. And sadly the spirit of selflessness, cowardice and complacency has been with us since we've been in this country.

Anytime people stand up, we've always had those who would go around discouraging the people like "don't do that, you're gonna get us all in trouble and massa aint that bad anyway. Just follow the rules our oppresor gave us and everything will be ok".

That needs to be addressed and dealt with as well.

 

[D. Morgan]

What is humorous about this subject is that people arguing the merits of voting as a means to accomplish a political objective fail to realize that the gaining of the right to vote in itself was accomplished without voting.

Action created the policy. But it was the action that mattered.

I wonder who the Black Panthers asked permission to to feed the children of the community. Did they wait for permits and permission to do what needed to be done, or did they just do it regardless of potential consequences?

What you're suggesting demands actually work and most of all sacrifice. These scared assed negroes aint about that life.

Some one actually said, "vote for the lessor of two evils. SERIOUSLY??? FOH. No way in hell should a man with morals, and integrity every choose evil. WTH?

Yes. And sadly the spirit of selflessness, cowardice and complacency has been with us since we've been in this country.

Anytime people stand up, we've always had those who would go around discouraging the people like "don't do that, you're gonna get us all in trouble and massa aint that bad anyway. Just follow the rules our oppresor gave us and everything will be ok".

That needs to be addressed and dealt with as well.

The bold hurts me to my core. I mean literally can't for the life get how people want to live with a boot on their neck.

 

[NeighborhoodNomad.]

What is humorous about this subject is that people arguing the merits of voting as a means to accomplish a political objective fail to realize that the gaining of the right to vote in itself was accomplished without voting.

Action created the policy. But it was the action that mattered.

I wonder who the Black Panthers asked permission to to feed the children of the community. Did they wait for permits and permission to do what needed to be done, or did they just do it regardless of potential consequences?

What you're suggesting demands actually work and most of all sacrifice. These scared assed negroes aint about that life.

Some one actually said, "vote for the lessor of two evils. SERIOUSLY??? FOH. No way in hell should a man with morals, and integrity every choose evil. WTH?

Yes. And sadly the spirit of selflessness, cowardice and complacency has been with us since we've been in this country.

Anytime people stand up, we've always had those who would go around discouraging the people like "don't do that, you're gonna get us all in trouble and massa aint that bad anyway. Just follow the rules our oppresor gave us and everything will be ok".

That needs to be addressed and dealt with as well.

The bold hurts me to my core. I mean literally can't for the life get how people want to live with a boot on their neck.

My guess would be fear and hopelessness mixed with a little complacency and selfishness.

 

[Kwan Dai]

What is humorous about this subject is that people arguing the merits of voting as a means to accomplish a political objective fail to realize that the gaining of the right to vote in itself was accomplished without voting.

Action created the policy. But it was the action that mattered.

I wonder who the Black Panthers asked permission to to feed the children of the community. Did they wait for permits and permission to do what needed to be done, or did they just do it regardless of potential consequences?

What you're suggesting demands actually work and most of all sacrifice. These scared assed negroes aint about that life.

Some one actually said, "vote for the lessor of two evils. SERIOUSLY??? FOH. No way in hell should a man with morals, and integrity every choose evil. WTH?

Yes. And sadly the spirit of selflessness, cowardice and complacency has been with us since we've been in this country.

Anytime people stand up, we've always had those who would go around discouraging the people like "don't do that, you're gonna get us all in trouble and massa aint that bad anyway. Just follow the rules our oppresor gave us and everything will be ok".

That needs to be addressed and dealt with as well.

The bold hurts me to my core. I mean literally can't for the life get how people want to live with a boot on their neck.

My guess would be fear and hopelessness mixed with a little complacency and selfishness.

I think it's some of that and the idea that white = better. We talk about white flight and Black Flight from the community has been 100xs worse.