Wendy's To Switch To Self Ordering And Robot Burger Maker To Avoid $15/Hr Wage

[SolemnSauce]

Whats funny is that its gonna cost them more in the long run to do that. Just pay the fucking people man. Personallt ion think u should get 15 dollars for working at wendys. Unless u been there for more than 5 years.

 

[Stiff]

What Im gettin at is a bottom of the totem pole job is just that. You cant raise the amount people make there to save them. The cost of living will just go up to compensate they will still be at the bottom without bankable skills. Thats how economics work. Trying to make a bottom job something else is the error. It is what it is. Seems simple to me maybe im just fortunate to understand the reality. But again I do support raising minimum wage but not to where it begins to have negative consequences and backfires due to inflation and inevitable higher prices.

Because what you're missing is the part that wages haven't increased along with the cost of living. There used to be a time where people at the bottom were still able to afford to feed their families and pay a mortgage and have a car. Companies have found a way to charge more across the board, pay less to their employees, and have less employees to pay.

The cost of living has increased and continues to increase... while wages increases have stagnated and that's a path of destruction.

This guy gets it

Research the COL in ya area and compare it to your annual income and I'm sure a lot of you would learn you living below that maintaining line

Don't let the fact that you pay ya bills on time or you ain't struggling fool ya, a lot of us being fucked on our wages. You might be making minimum wage in your position

This is it exactly.

The problem is a lot of people take their insecurities about what they earn and then they project that onto the people earning near minimum wage. It's a very disgusting and selfish mindset many Americans possess. It's the belief that if you raise minimum wage, those workers will have incomes similar to their own. It's not dissimilar from what these corporate cats believe. The thought is:

"Hell no, don't no fucking burger flipper deserve to make $15 per hour when my salary averages out to $17-20 per hour. That will put them in the same class as me."

First of all, not only are you scum underserving of living in this nation, you are also incredibly dense. MOTHERFUCKA THEY'RE GAMING YOU TOO. We all should be making more than we are. It doesn't just begin and end with the minimum wage.

Basic economics dictate that as productivity increases, wages should increase as well. There is no sound reason in saying that the minimum wage worker doesn't deserve to make more than a disrespectful $7.50 an hour but ONE CEO deserves to take all of the profits from those workers and pocket it as a bonus ON TOP of his regular salary.

You guys have been made into sheep following the herd. We're the richest nation IN THE HISTORY of the world... walking around on a day to day to basis could you tell? Only the top 1% of our citizenship possesses that wealth.

Quoted for emphasis. The Bible verse, "love thy neighbour" is so powerful...

To add on to this thought, I was watching the history channel a few years back. They were discussing the 7 deadly sins.

So for the topic of envy, they polled Americans if they would rather make 100k and their coworker would make 150k, or make 80k and their coworker make 50k... Guess which won...

Think on that for a minute...

whoa I missed this post this is some sick shit...you mean people would rather take less money as long as they know the person next to them isn't getting more than them???

'Murrica

 

[skpjr78]

Wage increase should come with profitability not productivity. A CEO makes more because their job when done correctly is more profitable to the enterprise

ceo's still make millions when companies are failing

they should not but they still do deserve to make much more than the average worker because they set the whole agenda and carry it out

How much more?

It depends on the individual company and industry. why should i pay a minimum wage worker 15 an hour if doing so will lessen the profitability of my enterprise???? and make it less competitive with the other companies in my industry??

Less competitive? Nigga...

In the second experiment, Ariely and Norton asked participants to guess how wealth was distributed in the United States, and then to write how it would be divvied up in an ideal world (this, it seems, served as the template for Norton’s most recent study). Americans had little idea how concentrated wealth truly was. Subjects estimated that the top 20 percent of U.S. households owned about 59 percent of the country’s net worth, whereas in the real world, they owned about 84 percent of it. In their own private utopia, subjects said that the top quintile would claim just 32 percent of the wealth.

“People drastically underestimate the current disparities in wealth and income in their societies,” Norton told me in an email, “and their ideals are more equal than their estimates, which are already more equal than the actual levels. Maybe most importantly, people from all walks of life—Democrats and Republicans, rich and poor, all over the world—have a large degree of consensus in their ideals: Everyone’s ideals are more equal than the way they think things are.” Theoretically, Americans aren’t exceptional in their views about distribution at all—they have a sense of fairness similar to that of Germans, French, and Australians, and most Americans would be offended if they actually knew the degree of economic inequality that exists in this country.
http://www.slate.com/articles/busin...nequality_is_new_harvard_business_school.html

So this next excerpt from that same article summates it all...

In the 1960s, the typical corporate chieftain in the U.S. earned 20 times as much as the average employee. Today, depending on whose estimate you choose, he makes anywhere from 272 to 354 times as much. According to the AFL-CIO, the average CEO takes home more than $12 million, while the average worker makes about $34,000.

So basically Americans THINK the ratio of CEO to employee pay is about 30:1.

Ask them what the ratio would be in their utopia and they say about 7:1.

The shit is really anywhere from 272-354:1.

But you bitching about $15 an hour.

i think your missing the point.....raising someones wages who is at the "bottom" of the totem pole will make everything else up eventually...because no one wants to be out done if they are at the same level and no one is going to take a pay cut

No, you're the one missing the point. Like badly missing the point.

I already addressed and shut down that mindset clear as day on the previous page. Swallow your insecurities because no one at the same level should be taking pay cuts. You're vastly misunderstanding who it is that should be taking pay cuts... and not all of them would even be paycuts since most profits end up being bonuses on top of salaries already earned.

You're mad at the idea of a person doing just as much work as you (just a different type of work) for earning the same pay. But you're not upset that one person at the top of the ladder takes the extra earnings off of your labor and gives himself 300 times more than what you make. FOH.

the people i am talking about who wont be taking paycuts are the people are the top of the ladder.

damn you hurling insults without properly trying to get a clear understand of what could be taken as miscommunication

Not saying "you" directly, bro. I'm using it in place of those that share that mindset b/c those people do exist. The issue of people at the top not being willing to take pay cuts is where the reforms come into place. Tax those above a certain monetary threshold, raise the minimum wage, create trade taxes that dissuade businesses from outsourcing jobs. There's a multitude of things that can be done.

I personally believe it would have to be eased into but first and foremost we have to kill this belief amongst Americans that this is how it has always worked. The masses have become complacent with being the underclass to the point where you have people earning $80,000 annually sticking their noses up; not knowing they're being underpaid too.

It;s a private fucking enterprise why the fuck do you feel you have the right to tell people how much a ceo should be paid. If reforms needs to take place it will happen within the corporation. like i told @Stiff in the other thread if you are going to tax me at stupid levels i am going to leave there is something called corporate inversion.[/b ]

And this is exactly why i havent eaten at bk since they went to canada. Sell your shitty burgers to the escimos

 

[VulcanRaven]

What Im gettin at is a bottom of the totem pole job is just that. You cant raise the amount people make there to save them. The cost of living will just go up to compensate they will still be at the bottom without bankable skills. Thats how economics work. Trying to make a bottom job something else is the error. It is what it is. Seems simple to me maybe im just fortunate to understand the reality. But again I do support raising minimum wage but not to where it begins to have negative consequences and backfires due to inflation and inevitable higher prices.

The cost of living is already too high as it is.Just look at gas prices and here in MD they charge way to much for rent and certain products. Giant use those self check out registers and still have high prices.The fact is that the cost of living is the real problem and not how much people are getting paid.Most products come from other countries and they over charge when it costs so little to manufacture them.As mentioned before, corporations are just greedy and can afford to pay their employees more money anyway.Then you factor in things like insurance costs and other needed expenses and you have the reason why people are struggling.

What Im gettin at is a bottom of the totem pole job is just that. You cant raise the amount people make there to save them. The cost of living will just go up to compensate they will still be at the bottom without bankable skills. Thats how economics work. Trying to make a bottom job something else is the error. It is what it is. Seems simple to me maybe im just fortunate to understand the reality. But again I do support raising minimum wage but not to where it begins to have negative consequences and backfires due to inflation and inevitable higher prices.

Because what you're missing is the part that wages haven't increased along with the cost of living. There used to be a time where people at the bottom were still able to afford to feed their families and pay a mortgage and have a car. Companies have found a way to charge more across the board, pay less to their employees, and have less employees to pay.

The cost of living has increased and continues to increase... while wages increases have stagnated and that's a path of destruction.

What Im gettin at is a bottom of the totem pole job is just that. You cant raise the amount people make there to save them. The cost of living will just go up to compensate they will still be at the bottom without bankable skills. Thats how economics work. Trying to make a bottom job something else is the error. It is what it is. Seems simple to me maybe im just fortunate to understand the reality. But again I do support raising minimum wage but not to where it begins to have negative consequences and backfires due to inflation and inevitable higher prices.

Economics do not work to where the cost of living goes up and wages do not. That's only a phenomena that begun as recently as the past 30-40 years. And that's all irrelevant anyway b/c that wasn't a graph comparing COL to wages. It was comparing PRODUCTIVITY to WAGES.

Economics do not work to where bottom of the totem pole productivity increases but bottom of the totem pole wages do not. Did you even look at and process the graph or has the system just left your mind that corrupted? Do the people at the bottom of the totem pole not deserve to reap the benefits of their increased productivity? But you want to imply that the very very few at the top should be able to pocket every last cent of those gains?

The level to which Americans have been brainwashed is fucking insane.

Exactly.

 

[VulcanRaven]

The key phrase is "low skilled worker". If you dont have an education or a skill you are fucked. If Wendys does go this route the "low skilled worker" flipping the burger will get screwed but the "high skilled worker" who can install, program and repair the new automated system will hit a lick.

Education is the new currency of the 21st century. If u dont have it youre fucked. Cacs know this and thats why they are intentionally trying to make college more and more expensive each year. They are trying to price middle and working class people out of higher education so they can keep flipping burgers and maintain total control of their uneducated lives. Without an education you dont stand a chance in the 21st century.

Its a cold game and these cacs are determined to make it even colder.

I hear u but don't be fooled. With everyone and they moma going to college these days there aren't gonna be enough good paying jobs for all us high skilled folk in the future. The same folk turning they nose up at certain jobs will 've forced to work them or been in the struggle for any form of employment.....

Right and people seem to forget that when you are black there are not enough skills that you can possess to get you a job you qualify for.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

I haven't eaten fast food in 3 years

Props... people need to understand that this food is literally poison and is killing us. The sad thing is, a lot of children are being raised on this bullshit because it's convenient for the parents SMH. Little do they know they're hurting their children and their pockets. It's so much healthier and cheaper to make your own burger and fries.

On topic, anyone working full-time should be paid a living wage based on the cost of living in their city. It's really just that simple. Wage expense should be budgeted in previous to starting the business and hiring new employees.

 

[zzombie]

I haven't eaten fast food in 3 years

Props... people need to understand that this food is literally poison and is killing us. The sad thing is, a lot of children are being raised on this bullshit because it's convenient for the parents SMH. Little do they know they're hurting their children and their pockets. It's so much healthier and cheaper to make your own burger and fries.

On topic, anyone working full-time should be paid a living wage based on the cost of living in their city. It's really just that simple. Wage expense should be budgeted in previous to starting the business and hiring new employees.

which would mean i either don't start my company because i cannot get enough capital to cover wages or if i do start my company i'll have to hire less people and the people i hire will have to work harder and longer for me to attain the same results.

 

[loch121]

I once read a theory that jobs could be a thing of the past in the future.That robots will do things and ppl will contribute to society with new ideas.The reality is a machine can do a lot of the jobs we do.

"They say a computer can do my job better than I can damn do it"

But Wendys are gajillionaires whining about paying ppl,this makes since,but they some bitches.

 

[ThaNubianGod]

Good. Min-wage jobs were never meant to support people.

 

[MasterJayN100]

they dont wanna make people lives easier.they rather have a robot do the job

 

[ThaNubianGod]

they dont wanna make people lives easier.they rather have a robot do the job

Robots make our lives easier. We're moving away from human labor. In the meantime, Black people have to start taking advantage of technology too. White people will never give us good jobs, we have to create our own. The Min-wage crap is a trap.

 

[NoCompetition]

Good. Min-wage jobs were never meant to support people.

Yeah you supposed to have an epiphany like "I gotta do better if I wanna have better" some people seem to have the game backwards. And if you got it twisted you gon be the one to suffer. That said I definitely support a sensible rise in minimum wage to the 10 or so but not to a figure that would backfire. Actually understanding economics and inflation and whatnot.

 

[Ghostdenithegawd]

yall really going in on a ickis thread with no link........

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

I haven't eaten fast food in 3 years

Props... people need to understand that this food is literally poison and is killing us. The sad thing is, a lot of children are being raised on this bullshit because it's convenient for the parents SMH. Little do they know they're hurting their children and their pockets. It's so much healthier and cheaper to make your own burger and fries.

On topic, anyone working full-time should be paid a living wage based on the cost of living in their city. It's really just that simple. Wage expense should be budgeted in previous to starting the business and hiring new employees.

which would mean i either don't start my company because i cannot get enough capital to cover wages or if i do start my company i'll have to hire less people and the people i hire will have to work harder and longer for me to attain the same results.

Yes, there are plenty of barriers to entry as to why you shouldn't start business. One way to get around that is hire someone part-time, hire an intern or someone in school who's trying to get experience/school project, hire family and pay them under the table etc. until you get your shit together.

All of the startups I was involved in, the core group worked extremely long hours until their business started to take off. Then they slowly expanded and hired new employees after making sure they were able to carry the extra expense.

 

[(Nope)]

Wage increase should come with profitability not productivity. A CEO makes more because their job when done correctly is more profitable to the enterprise

ceo's still make millions when companies are failing

they should not but they still do deserve to make much more than the average worker because they set the whole agenda and carry it out

How much more?

It depends on the individual company and industry. why should i pay a minimum wage worker 15 an hour if doing so will lessen the profitability of my enterprise???? and make it less competitive with the other companies in my industry??

And this is the inherent flaw of capitalism...it is completely focused on the individual....and in this case "corporation are people". Wendy's has all incentive to do what's best for Wendy's to maximize profits as much as possible even if it is at the expense of society as a whole.

If corporations are people, then they are the most sociopathic and apathetic people to have ever lived.

why should these corporations care???? when a government does it's job people can benefit from corporate selfishness

How, when your ilk is against taxes and regulations?

 

[zzombie]

I haven't eaten fast food in 3 years

Props... people need to understand that this food is literally poison and is killing us. The sad thing is, a lot of children are being raised on this bullshit because it's convenient for the parents SMH. Little do they know they're hurting their children and their pockets. It's so much healthier and cheaper to make your own burger and fries.

On topic, anyone working full-time should be paid a living wage based on the cost of living in their city. It's really just that simple. Wage expense should be budgeted in previous to starting the business and hiring new employees.

which would mean i either don't start my company because i cannot get enough capital to cover wages or if i do start my company i'll have to hire less people and the people i hire will have to work harder and longer for me to attain the same results.

Yes, there are plenty of barriers to entry as to why you shouldn't start business. One way to get around that is hire someone part-time, hire an intern or someone in school who's trying to get experience/school project, hire family and pay them under the table etc. until you get your shit together.

All of the startups I was involved in, the core group worked extremely long hours until their business started to take off. Then they slowly expanded and hired new employees after making sure they were able to carry the extra expense.

Yeah there are many barriers to starting a business so why advocate for creating more by forcing companies to pay people more than they really want too, There are no interns in fast food. A business should make itself profitable as soon as possible

 

[zzombie]

Wage increase should come with profitability not productivity. A CEO makes more because their job when done correctly is more profitable to the enterprise

ceo's still make millions when companies are failing

they should not but they still do deserve to make much more than the average worker because they set the whole agenda and carry it out

How much more?

It depends on the individual company and industry. why should i pay a minimum wage worker 15 an hour if doing so will lessen the profitability of my enterprise???? and make it less competitive with the other companies in my industry??

And this is the inherent flaw of capitalism...it is completely focused on the individual....and in this case "corporation are people". Wendy's has all incentive to do what's best for Wendy's to maximize profits as much as possible even if it is at the expense of society as a whole.

If corporations are people, then they are the most sociopathic and apathetic people to have ever lived.

why should these corporations care???? when a government does it's job people can benefit from corporate selfishness

How, when your ilk is against taxes and regulations?

i am not against taxes and regulations i am against stupid taxes and regulations

 

[(Nope)]

Good. Min-wage jobs were never meant to support people.

Therein lies the problem. The majority of U.S. jobs are within the service industry. Wal-Mart, Yum brands (Taco Bell and KFC), and McDonald's are the top three employers in America. These are all minimum wage jobs, with the average worker being 25 and up. Where will these people go if they are replaced by AI (no Iverson)?

We need to value our main form of industry otherwise the disparity of wealth will just continue to grow. We are at the precipice of another great depression, and it's astonishing to me that people are okay with it because they doing aiight.

 

[ThaNubianGod]

Good. Min-wage jobs were never meant to support people.

Therein lies the problem. The majority of U.S. jobs are within the service industry. Wal-Mart, Yum brands (Taco Bell and KFC), and McDonald's are the top three employers in America. These are all minimum wage jobs, with the average worker being 25 and up. Where will these people go if they are replaced by AI (no Iverson)?

We need to value our main form of industry otherwise the disparity of wealth will just continue to grow. We are at the precipice of another great depression, and it's astonishing to me that people are okay with it because they doing aiight.

Actually, only 4.7% of workers make minimum wage, so 95.3% make above that. The REAL issue is that working class jobs have gone away due to illegals undercutting wages, outsourcing thanks to NAFTA, and horrible policies that cripple small businesses.

The service industry is going bye bye. It's more efficient to use automation at this point. It's like what happened at gas station right before pay at the pump. Entrepreneurship is the future. I'm talking 5-10 person teams working on profitable businesses.

 

[Ip man]

You can't tell a robot

Nigga I said wit cheese!