Was Muhammad prophesised in the Bible?

[KLICHE]

If that was the case why doesn't the Quran state what it says in John 14:6?

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Why didn't Muhammad state this when he received his "angelic revelation"?

There appear to be a sizable number of Christians who when reading this verse interpret it to state that Jesus is God and that no one shall enter into heaven except if they worship Jesus.

The popular perception that this verse claims that Jesus requires our worship in order for us to receive salvation is not the intended meaning of this verse. However, in order for us to recognize this fact it is necessary to study it's context.

If we were to back up a little and read from the beginning of this chapter, we would find that just before Jesus spoke these words, he said;

"In my Father's house are many mansions (dwelling places); if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a mansion (a dwelling place) for you."

John 14:2

He said that in God's mansion there are "many" rooms. Jesus was sent to guide to only one of them. The countless other rooms were reserved for other tribes and nations if they would obey their messengers. However, Jesus was telling his followers that they need not worry themselves about the other rooms. Anyone from among his people who wished to enter into the room which was reserved for them could only do so if they followed Jesus and obeyed his command. So Jesus confirmed that he was going to prepare "a" mansion and not "all" the mansions in "my Father's house".

Further, the verse clearly states that Jesus was the "WAY" to a mansion. He did not say that he is the "DESTINATION" which would be the case if he were God. What else would we expect a prophet of God to say except "I am the 'way' to God's mercy"? That is his job. That is what a prophet does. It is why God chose him in the first place; in order to guide to the mercy of God. This is indeed confirmed in John 10:9 where Jesus tells us that he is "the door" to "the pasture." In other words, he is the "prophet" who guides his people to "heaven" Once again, this is the message of Islam.

 

[tri3w]

There appear to be a sizable number of Christians who when reading this verse interpret it to state that Jesus is God and that no one shall enter into heaven except if they worship Jesus.

The popular perception that this verse claims that Jesus requires our worship in order for us to receive salvation is not the intended meaning of this verse. However, in order for us to recognize this fact it is necessary to study it's context.

If we were to back up a little and read from the beginning of this chapter, we would find that just before Jesus spoke these words, he said;

"In my Father's house are many mansions (dwelling places); if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a mansion (a dwelling place) for you."

John 14:2

He said that in God's mansion there are "many" rooms. Jesus was sent to guide to only one of them. The countless other rooms were reserved for other tribes and nations if they would obey their messengers. However, Jesus was telling his followers that they need not worry themselves about the other rooms. Anyone from among his people who wished to enter into the room which was reserved for them could only do so if they followed Jesus and obeyed his command. So Jesus confirmed that he was going to prepare "a" mansion and not "all" the mansions in "my Father's house".

Further, the verse clearly states that Jesus was the "WAY" to a mansion. He did not say that he is the "DESTINATION" which would be the case if he were God. What else would we expect a prophet of God to say except "I am the 'way' to God's mercy"? That is his job. That is what a prophet does. It is why God chose him in the first place; in order to guide to the mercy of God. This is indeed confirmed in John 10:9 where Jesus tells us that he is "the door" to "the pasture." In other words, he is the "prophet" who guides his people to "heaven" Once again, this is the message of Islam.

Nice Rebuttal, If u dont Mind Me Interjecting...........What Do u feel about the Passage when he talks about being "Born Again" ???

 

[cwill 420]

how do you figure? the priests were awaiting three different people the christ, elijah, and that prophet. Obviously Jesus (pbuh) was the christ, and he told them that John the baptist was Elijah so how can he be both the christ and that prophet when they were three seperate people

:: raises eyebrow ::

Acts 7 proclaims that it is Jesus who was referred to in Deut. 18. So it seems that all Jesus earliest followers already knew who it is that is referred to in Deu. 18 and it’s clearly stated so in the Acts passages.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

There appear to be a sizable number of Christians who when reading this verse interpret it to state that Jesus is God and that no one shall enter into heaven except if they worship Jesus.

The popular perception that this verse claims that Jesus requires our worship in order for us to receive salvation is not the intended meaning of this verse. However, in order for us to recognize this fact it is necessary to study it's context.

If we were to back up a little and read from the beginning of this chapter, we would find that just before Jesus spoke these words, he said;

"In my Father's house are many mansions (dwelling places); if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a mansion (a dwelling place) for you."

John 14:2

He said that in God's mansion there are "many" rooms. Jesus was sent to guide to only one of them. The countless other rooms were reserved for other tribes and nations if they would obey their messengers. However, Jesus was telling his followers that they need not worry themselves about the other rooms. Anyone from among his people who wished to enter into the room which was reserved for them could only do so if they followed Jesus and obeyed his command. So Jesus confirmed that he was going to prepare "a" mansion and not "all" the mansions in "my Father's house".

Further, the verse clearly states that Jesus was the "WAY" to a mansion. He did not say that he is the "DESTINATION" which would be the case if he were God. What else would we expect a prophet of God to say except "I am the 'way' to God's mercy"? That is his job. That is what a prophet does. It is why God chose him in the first place; in order to guide to the mercy of God. This is indeed confirmed in John 10:9 where Jesus tells us that he is "the door" to "the pasture." In other words, he is the "prophet" who guides his people to "heaven" Once again, this is the message of Islam.

Your not serious are you? "The popular perception?" Are you for real? Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven my brother. There is no debating that fact. You either accept it or reject it. I can give you scripture after scripture that confirms this. There is no such thing as "popular perception" in the christian faith. It's called TRUTH. Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father. Jesus Christ is the only truth because He is sinless. And Jesus Christ is the only life because He was raised from the dead. There is no other way to heaven. Jesus Christ is the only door which enters into the kingdom. "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) There is only 1 name at which every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. His name is Jesus the Christ of Nazareth, not Muhammad.

Muhammad is a deceiver and he has and continues to lead billions of souls to hell with him. Muhammad has no keys to the kingdom. Only keys to the grave. Judgment day will reveal this truth. Sadly, by then it will be to late.

"repent ye, and believe the gospel." Mark 1:15

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

How can you reconcile John 3:16, the most famous passage of scripture?

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Why would God send His son to die for the sins of humanity if there were other possible ways for sins to be forgiven?

God clearly says that whosoever believes on him (Jesus Christ) will not perish, but have everlasting life. Where do you see Muhammad in this passage of scripture?


"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 16:25

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

"1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

These are the last days and it is becoming more and more evident as each day goes by. People are refusing to acknowledge the truth and instead are turning to fables. It's sad.

What has muhammad done? Who did he die for? Where is the blood that covers my sins if I believe in Muhammad? Where is the forgiveness?

"without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Hebrews 9:22

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

"1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;"

You can tell the devil is busy. Look at all the nonsense being posted in here. Jesus Christ shine your light in this darkness. Crush the head of the serpent. You are the light of the world. Shine it bright Father!

 

[KLICHE]

Nice Rebuttal, If u dont Mind Me Interjecting...........What Do u feel about the Passage when he talks about being "Born Again" ???

I thin being born again is something i've always seen as exclusively a Christian thing????

I mean I thin anyone who sort of acknowledges the existence of the Almighty, and then keep Him in mind and does as good as they can in life, in somewhat 'born again'.. but as for being free of sin on their new beginning, I highly doubt it.. I think that'll be something we will find out when we meet our maker and our records of good and bad deeds is tallied up, and looked over

 

[tri3w]

I thin being born again is something i've always seen as exclusively a Christian thing????

I mean I thin anyone who sort of acknowledges the existence of the Almighty, and then keep Him in mind and does as good as they can in life, in somewhat 'born again'.. but as for being free of sin on their new beginning, I highly doubt it.. I think that'll be something we will find out when we meet our maker and our records of good and bad deeds is tallied up, and looked over

Ok Fair enough answer.......i was just Asking Cuz u had a different propestive on the matter and What u though about the passage

 

[KLICHE]

How can you reconcile John 3:16, the most famous passage of scripture?

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."



Why would God send His son to die for the sins of humanity if there were other possible ways for sins to be forgiven?

God clearly says that whosoever believes on him (Jesus Christ) will not perish, but have everlasting life. Where do you see Muhammad in this passage of scripture?



"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 16:25

If there was no other way for humanity to be forgiven of sins then what happened to all the millions of people who existed prior to the advent of Jesus Christ? Were they never forgiven or able to be accepted in heaven?

Also Christ was not sent to the world with the Bible message was he?? Was he not sent to a certain people? And honestly after reading all the verses time after time put up and analysed you still believe that the entire bible is never contradicting itself or misunderstood? that what you say it says is exactly what it means and that it is "gospel"?

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

John 3:16

The above is the King James "translation" of John 3:16. If we were to open up the Revised Standard Version of the Bible on this exact same verse we would find it now translated as

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only son, ...."

What is going on here? The RSV is the work of thirty two Biblical Christian scholars of the highest eminence backed by fifty cooperating Christian denominations. They produced the RSV in an effort to correct the "many" and "serious" errors they had found in the King James Bible. So why have they scrapped the word "begotten" from this cornerstone of Christian preaching? The reason is because they have decided to be honest with us when translating this verse.

The Greek term for "begotten" in ancient Greek is "gennao" {ghen-nah'-o} as found for example in Matthew 1:2. In the verses under consideration, however, the word used was not "gennao" but "monogenes" {mon-og-en-ace'}.

"Monogenes" is a Greek word which conveys the meaning "unique" and not "begotten." Thus, the true translation of this verse is "His unique son."

Some of the more honest translations of the Bibles, such as the New Testament by Goodspeed and J. M. Powis Smith (published in 1923) have indeed given the same translation as that of the RSV. However, such "tell it as it is" Bibles were not generally met with a lot of enthusiasm since they forced the reader to face the fact that much of what the translators of the KJV have "translated" for them was not in fact part of the Bible.

We have already seen in previous sections that the Bible bears witness that God has "sons" by the tons. So what does the Bible mean by "only son" or "unique son" when referring to Jesus? It means what the Bible has told us and the Qur'an has confirmed for us, namely, that Jesus was "unique" in that he was born of a human mother without a father. God merely said to him "Be!" and he was.

 

[KLICHE]

Acts 7 proclaims that it is Jesus who was referred to in Deut. 18. So it seems that all Jesus earliest followers already knew who it is that is referred to in Deu. 18 and it’s clearly stated so in the Acts passages.

could you quote the verses that support this please?????

 

[KLICHE]

"1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

These are the last days and it is becoming more and more evident as each day goes by. People are refusing to acknowledge the truth and instead are turning to fables. It's sad.

What has muhammad done? Who did he die for? Where is the blood that covers my sins if I believe in Muhammad? Where is the forgiveness?

"without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Hebrews 9:22

I thought Muhammad basically brought a message that made people look at excactly how Jesus Christ conducted himself without losing sight that the Almighty was the head being in charge first and foremost.. greeting one another with the greetings of "peace be upon you" similar to hwo muslims greet with "assalaamu aliakum" same meaning.. way of praying, face to the floor pretty much bowing etc being humble about it all, making it a must to believe in the Messiah (Christ) otherwise one is not a true believer in the Almighty, but to believe in Christ as the greatest of all messengers but not to get it twisted with him being on the level of the Almighty in any way.. And all this and more I see to guess sort of settle any differences amongst the Jews and Christians in regards to Christ, who he really was, and to also keep ones focus on the power, glory of the Almighty, avoiding all the idol worship, in way of pictures etc etc basically to reiterate EXACTLY what Christ had taught people when he came and not all the innovations that have now occurred.. To me the Muslims are theonly ones remotely close to even following or living their lives according to how Christ displayed himself..

Why be so hung on "where is my forgiveness" as you put it????? There is more to this life than expecting because you believe if you accept one thing that you allege is the be all and all, that all of a sudden you are not sin free, forgiven, and i guess now rid of any guilt for what you have done wrong..

 

[KLICHE]

You can tell the devil is busy. Look at all the nonsense being posted in here. Jesus Christ shine your light in this darkness. Crush the head of the serpent. You are the light of the world. Shine it bright Father!

I think that is a pretty low blow to liken my debating or posting of information to "you can tell the devil is busy"... seriously.. It may be "nonsense" to you, but don't forget that not everything you have posted will be viewed as "fact" by everyone. I read your posts and reply, but I don;t just brush aside you opinion as just being nonsense... It makes me question whether you have really even read the replies i've made and seen the details.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I think that is a pretty low blow to liken my debating or posting of information to "you can tell the devil is busy"... seriously.. It may be "nonsense" to you, but don't forget that not everything you have posted will be viewed as "fact" by everyone. I read your posts and reply, but I don;t just brush aside you opinion as just being nonsense... It makes me question whether you have really even read the replies i've made and seen the details.

Thats what happens when they have nothing else to say

 

[TX_Made713]

Muhammad was a pedophile who gets a pass cause "hes the prophet"

 

[TX_Made713]

"1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

These are the last days and it is becoming more and more evident as each day goes by. People are refusing to acknowledge the truth and instead are turning to fables. It's sad.

What has muhammad done? Who did he die for? Where is the blood that covers my sins if I believe in Muhammad? Where is the forgiveness?

"without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Hebrews 9:22

he got a 10 year old knocked up, what does the bible say about that?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

he got a 10 year old knocked up, what does the bible say about that?

He isnt defending Muhammad, Now as far as the bible nothin, also remember back then pedophiles were normal people, alot of people had sex with their children, sons + sisters, mother + son, etc.... to preserve power lines. It wasnt strange for 35 year old men to marry and have sex with 12 year old girls. It wasn't until recently pedophiles became bad people, matter of fact alot of places still have grown men who marry and fuck little girls and totally are cool with it.

 

[TX_Made713]

He isnt defending Muhammad, Now as far as the bible nothin, also remember back then pedophiles were normal people, alot of people had sex with their children, sons + sisters, mother + son, etc.... to preserve power lines. It wasnt strange for 35 year old men to marry and have sex with 12 year old girls. It wasn't until recently pedophiles became bad people, matter of fact alot of places still have grown men who marry and fuck little girls and totally are cool with it.

i know he wasnt, and you just made a valid point

so assuming since that was the norm back in the day is it safe to say god is cool with grown men dating children? if thats the case r kelly and michael have been chastised for no reason

 

[ThaChozenWun]

i know he wasnt, and you just made a valid point

so assuming since that was the norm back in the day is it safe to say god is cool with grown men dating children? if thats the case r kelly and michael have been chastised for no reason

This will piss alot of religious people off, by gods law we have been sentencing people and lookin down on them for no reason at all, we could all marry 8 year olds and fuck the shit out em and its cool. Now from a moral standpoint everyone should know its fuckin disgusting and those who do not should have to die the worst possible death imagninable. This is where religious folk get mad and confused the difference between what the bible says and what we know is morally right and wrong.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

If im remember it correctly there is a good bit of verses where it says something about killing all women under 3 years old saving the rest as they are suitable for sexual intercourse, which means if they 3 and a day its legal

Edit : Found some of it

"Rabbi Joseph said, 'Come and hear. A maiden aged 3 years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition.'

Mishnah: A girl of the age of 3 years and a day may be betrothed, subject to her father's approval, by sexual intercourse.

Gemara: Our Rabbis taught: 'A girl of the age of 3 years may be betrothed by sexual intercourse.' "