Was Muhammad prophesised in the Bible?

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KLICHE;464759 said:
1. If there was no other way for humanity to be forgiven of sins then what happened to all the millions of people who existed prior to the advent of Jesus Christ? Were they never forgiven or able to be accepted in heaven?

2. Also Christ was not sent to the world with the Bible message was he?? Was he not sent to a certain people? And honestly after reading all the verses time after time put up and analysed you still believe that the entire bible is never contradicting itself or misunderstood? that what you say it says is exactly what it means and that it is "gospel"?

3. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

John 3:16

The above is the King James "translation" of John 3:16. If we were to open up the Revised Standard Version of the Bible on this exact same verse we would find it now translated as

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only son, ...."

What is going on here? The RSV is the work of thirty two Biblical Christian scholars of the highest eminence backed by fifty cooperating Christian denominations. They produced the RSV in an effort to correct the "many" and "serious" errors they had found in the King James Bible. So why have they scrapped the word "begotten" from this cornerstone of Christian preaching? The reason is because they have decided to be honest with us when translating this verse.

The Greek term for "begotten" in ancient Greek is "gennao" {ghen-nah'-o} as found for example in Matthew 1:2. In the verses under consideration, however, the word used was not "gennao" but "monogenes" {mon-og-en-ace'}.

"Monogenes" is a Greek word which conveys the meaning "unique" and not "begotten." Thus, the true translation of this verse is "His unique son."

Some of the more honest translations of the Bibles, such as the New Testament by Goodspeed and J. M. Powis Smith (published in 1923) have indeed given the same translation as that of the RSV. However, such "tell it as it is" Bibles were not generally met with a lot of enthusiasm since they forced the reader to face the fact that much of what the translators of the KJV have "translated" for them was not in fact part of the Bible.

We have already seen in previous sections that the Bible bears witness that God has "sons" by the tons. So what does the Bible mean by "only son" or "unique son" when referring to Jesus? It means what the Bible has told us and the Qur'an has confirmed for us, namely, that Jesus was "unique" in that he was born of a human mother without a father. God merely said to him "Be!" and he was.

1.Question: "How were people saved before Jesus died for our sins?"

Answer: Since the fall of man, the basis of salvation has always been the death of Christ. No one, either prior to the cross or since the cross, would ever be saved without that one pivotal event in the history of the world. Christ's death paid the penalty for past sins of Old Testament saints and future sins of New Testament saints.

The requirement for salvation has always been faith. The object of one's faith for salvation has always been God. The psalmist wrote, “Blessed are all who take refuge in him” (Psalm 2:12). Genesis 15:6 tells us that Abraham believed God and that was enough for God to credit it to him for righteousness (see also Romans 4:3-8). The Old Testament sacrificial system did not take away sin, as Hebrews 10:1-10 clearly teaches. It did, however, point to the day when the Son of God would shed His blood for the sinful human race.

What has changed through the ages is the content of a believer's faith. God's requirement of what must be believed is based on the amount of revelation He has given mankind up to that time. This is called progressive revelation. Adam believed the promise God gave in Genesis 3:15 that the Seed of the woman would conquer Satan. Adam believed Him, demonstrated by the name he gave Eve (v. 20) and the Lord indicated His acceptance immediately by covering them with coats of skin (v. 21). At that point that is all Adam knew, but he believed it.

Abraham believed God according to the promises and new revelation God gave him in Genesis 12 and 15. Prior to Moses, no Scripture was written, but mankind was responsible for what God had revealed. Throughout the Old Testament, believers came to salvation because they believed that God would someday take care of their sin problem. Today, we look back, believing that He has already taken care of our sins on the cross (John 3:16; Hebrews 9:28).

What about believers in Christ's day, prior to the cross and resurrection? What did they believe? Did they understand the full picture of Christ dying on a cross for their sins? Late in His ministry, “Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life” (Matthew 16:21-22). What was the reaction of His disciples to this message? “Then Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. ‘Never, Lord!’ he said. ‘This shall never happen to you!’” Peter and the other disciples did not know the full truth, yet they were saved because they believed that God would take care of their sin problem. They didn't exactly know how He would accomplish that, any more than Adam, Abraham, Moses, or David knew how, but they believed God.

Today, we have more revelation than the people living before the resurrection of Christ; we know the full picture. “In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe” (Hebrews 1:1-2). Our salvation is still based on the death of Christ, our faith is still the requirement for salvation, and the object of our faith is still God. Today, for us, the content of our faith is that Jesus Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He rose the third day (1 Corinthians 15:3-4).

2. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
" John 1:1-17

3. God didn't say "be" and Jesus was born. This is what the scriptures say to be FACTUAL.

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Luke 1:35

Jesus is God my brother. I have told you there's no skipping around this fact even if you want to play semantics. God bless.
 
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KLICHE;464827 said:
I thought Muhammad basically brought a message that made people look at excactly how Jesus Christ conducted himself without losing sight that the Almighty was the head being in charge first and foremost.. greeting one another with the greetings of "peace be upon you" similar to hwo muslims greet with "assalaamu aliakum" same meaning.. way of praying, face to the floor pretty much bowing etc being humble about it all, making it a must to believe in the Messiah (Christ) otherwise one is not a true believer in the Almighty, but to believe in Christ as the greatest of all messengers but not to get it twisted with him being on the level of the Almighty in any way.. And all this and more I see to guess sort of settle any differences amongst the Jews and Christians in regards to Christ, who he really was, and to also keep ones focus on the power, glory of the Almighty, avoiding all the idol worship, in way of pictures etc etc basically to reiterate EXACTLY what Christ had taught people when he came and not all the innovations that have now occurred.. To me the Muslims are theonly ones remotely close to even following or living their lives according to how Christ displayed himself..

Why be so hung on "where is my forgiveness" as you put it????? There is more to this life than expecting because you believe if you accept one thing that you allege is the be all and all, that all of a sudden you are not sin free, forgiven, and i guess now rid of any guilt for what you have done wrong..

How can forgiveness not be important? Do you even know who God is my brother? If forgivness wasn't important, why did God himself become flesh in order to save us? Come on man. Forgiveness is everything. We are sinners, do you know that? And without being washed in the blood of Christ by faith in Him, you are still dead in your tresspasses and sins. You WILL NOT enter into the presence of a holy, righteous, and just God filthy and expect entrance into His kingdom. Believe that.
 
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Douwant2go2heaven, serious question. If Jesus died for the past sins as well so they could be forgiven, what happened in the time being while they waited? Where they allowed in heaven because god knew of his plan, did those who werent originally forgiven sit in hell then brought out, or were they allowed to wonder the Earth in spiritual form until it happened?
 
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I have my brother and I am sorry if I offended you. But the devil is busy and he relentlessly tries to distort the gospel message of Jesus Christ. The gospel of Christ is simple and I am like Paul as he stated in 2 Corinthians 11:3, "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." I fear that the serpent through his craftiness subtlety corrupts the minds of those who are weak. Case and point is Tx_Made.
 
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ThaChozenWun;465215 said:
Douwant2go2heaven, serious question. If Jesus died for the past sins as well so they could be forgiven, what happened in the time being while they waited? Where they allowed in heaven because god knew of his plan, did those who werent originally forgiven sit in hell then brought out, or were they allowed to wonder the Earth in spiritual form until it happened?

Question: "Where did Old Testament believers go when they died?"

Answer: The Old Testament teaches life after death, and that all people went to a place of conscious existence called Sheol. The wicked were there (Psalm 9:17; 31:17; 49:14; Isaiah 5:14), and so were the righteous (Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13; Psalm 6:5; 16:10; 88:3; Isaiah 38:10).

The New Testament equivalent of Sheol is Hades. Prior to Christ’s resurrection, Luke 16:19-31 shows Hades to be divided into two realms: a place of comfort where Lazarus was and a place of torment where the rich man was. The word hell in verse 23 is not “Gehenna” (place of eternal torment) but “Hades” (place of the dead). Lazarus’s place of comfort is elsewhere called Paradise (Luke 23:43). Between these two districts of Hades is “a great gulf fixed” (Luke 16:26).

Jesus is described as having descended into Hades after His death (Acts 2:27, 31; cf. Ephesians 4:9). At the resurrection of Jesus Christ, it seems that the believers in Hades (i.e., the occupants of Paradise) were moved to another location. Now, Paradise is above rather than below (2 Corinthians 12:2-4).

Today, when a believer dies, he is “present with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:6-9). When an unbeliever dies, he follows the Old Testament unbelievers to Hades. At the final judgment, Hades will be emptied before the Great White Throne, where its occupants will be judged prior to entering the lake of fire (Revelation 20:13-15).
 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;465202 said:
How can forgiveness not be important? Do you even know who God is my brother? If forgivness wasn't important, why did God himself become flesh in order to save us? Come on man. Forgiveness is everything. We are sinners, do you know that? And without being washed in the blood of Christ by faith in Him, you are still dead in your tresspasses and sins. You WILL NOT enter into the presence of a holy, righteous, and just God filthy and expect entrance into His kingdom. Believe that.

So is Jesus god or gods son. If he was God like you said "he himself became flesh" then why do we prasie Jesus why not continue to praise just God since it was him. Or did God just do away with his old self and want remain Jesus?
 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;465219 said:
Question: "Where did Old Testament believers go when they died?"

Answer: The Old Testament teaches life after death, and that all people went to a place of conscious existence called Sheol. The wicked were there (Psalm 9:17; 31:17; 49:14; Isaiah 5:14), and so were the righteous (Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13; Psalm 6:5; 16:10; 88:3; Isaiah 38:10).

The New Testament equivalent of Sheol is Hades. Prior to Christ’s resurrection, Luke 16:19-31 shows Hades to be divided into two realms: a place of comfort where Lazarus was and a place of torment where the rich man was. The word hell in verse 23 is not “Gehenna” (place of eternal torment) but “Hades” (place of the dead). Lazarus’s place of comfort is elsewhere called Paradise (Luke 23:43). Between these two districts of Hades is “a great gulf fixed” (Luke 16:26).

Jesus is described as having descended into Hades after His death (Acts 2:27, 31; cf. Ephesians 4:9). At the resurrection of Jesus Christ, it seems that the believers in Hades (i.e., the occupants of Paradise) were moved to another location. Now, Paradise is above rather than below (2 Corinthians 12:2-4).

Today, when a believer dies, he is “present with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:6-9). When an unbeliever dies, he follows the Old Testament unbelievers to Hades. At the final judgment, Hades will be emptied before the Great White Throne, where its occupants will be judged prior to entering the lake of fire (Revelation 20:13-15).

Thanks, now as to this I always had a question regarding the revelation but forgot about it, an unbeliever as myself then has a chance to present his case before im either sentenced to hell or heaven. So you can be a non believer and still get in, which as I always said I think could happened based on all the other things you have done, is this true? Or is that judgment just something for god to do cause hes bored and no matter what a non believer goes to hell.
 
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TX_Made713;464900 said:
Muhammad was a pedophile who gets a pass cause "hes the prophet"

News to me that he was allegedly a 'paedophile'... I had heard he married someone who was quite young, but was said to not have had intercourse with her... I can't give you a detailed reply because pretty much news to me...
 
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ThaChozenWun;464869 said:
Thats what happens when they have nothing else to say

not saying this is the case with 'Douwant' but sometimes ppl view those that oppose their religion as just that, devils at work.. But i'm open to learning to not going to dismiss anyone's beliefs
 
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ThaChozenWun;465018 said:
This will piss alot of religious people off, by gods law we have been sentencing people and lookin down on them for no reason at all, we could all marry 8 year olds and fuck the shit out em and its cool. Now from a moral standpoint everyone should know its fuckin disgusting and those who do should have to die the worst possible death imagninable. This is where religious folk get mad and confused the difference between what the bible says and what we know is morally right and wrong.

The hardcore religious nuts I think could only condone this craziness if indeed they do these things, otherwise yeah how could any sane human being say it's ok to do it....
 
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KLICHE;465332 said:
The hardcore religious nuts I think could only condone this craziness if indeed they do these things, otherwise yeah how could any sane human being say it's ok to do it....

Thats what I mean the bible speaks on people doing it and not in a bad sense, it accepts it, religious nuts will steer clear because they would be going against the bible to say its wrong and if they didnt say it was wrong then lol I aint even gone say nothin..
 
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So if noone was to be saved prior to the cross event, and that it was meant to happen in order to save past and present people.. then not to be a smartarse, but then all the religious laws/text/duties performed by other religious people of different faiths prior to Jesus coming was a complete waste of time.. ????? They were to be saved regardless, forgiven regardless of what went on then???

You say prior to Moses no scripture was revealed? So do I assume you don't believe in the Hindu Scriptures etc etc being legit messages from God?

In Corinthians 15:3-4, Christ wasn't buried though was he as it says? I thought was entombed?
 
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ThaChozenWun;465345 said:
Thats what I mean the bible speaks on people doing it and not in a bad sense, it accepts it, religious nuts will steer clear because they would be going against the bible to say its wrong and if they didnt say it was wrong then lol I aint even gone say nothin..

Have you found this in alot of religious books?????
 
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KLICHE;465389 said:
Have you found this in alot of religious books?????

The only books i really have a good knowledge in is the new and old testaments, Ive been studying the quran but dont have a great knowledge yet, the other books Im learning from other people what they post and say, so no not yet, the bible is the only book ive found it in. Im not sayin its no where else in other books but I dont have enough knowledge to know for sure Ill have to research that.

The thing about Muhammad is true though so im sure somewhere in the quran theres also scripture of this.
 
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