Was Muhammad prophesised in the Bible?

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supaman4321;446072 said:
deaf ears akhi....deaf ears....even without going into all of that the prophecy states that the prophet raised will be like Moses i'm pretty sure Rasoolullah(S.A.W.S) was more like unto Moses than Jesus.

everywhere chapter of the Qur'an starts with "in the name of Allah..." and when reading it you can tell it isn't Muhammad's words but him saying somebody else's words, the Bible also claims that anybody that claims to speak in the name of God ANYTHING that isn't from God is suppose to die yet the Prophet spent 23 years spreading the message of Islam and survived many battles and numerous attempts on his life until that message was completed...hm.....

That is true. This a table with some camparisons, little dodgy looking lol but meant to be read from top to bottom of the different messengers and comparisons

The Prophet Will Be Like Moses

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Areas of Comparison


MOSES **** JESUS **** MUHAMMAD

BIRTH

normal birth **** miraculous, virgin birth **** normal birth

MISSION

prophet only **** said to be Son of God **** prophet only

PARENTS

father & mother **** mother only **** father & mother

FAMILY LIFE


married with children **** never married **** married with children

ACCEPTED BY OWN PEOPLE


Jews accepted him **** Jews rejected him **** Arabs accepted him

POLITICAL AUTHORITY

Moses had it (Num 15:36) **** Jesus refused it **** Muhammad had it

VICTORY OVER OPPONENTS

Pharaoh drowned **** said to be crucified **** Meccans defeated

DEATH

natural death **** claimed to be crucified **** natural death

BURIAL

buried in grave **** empty tomb **** buried in grave

DIVINITY

not divine **** divine to Christians **** not divine

BEGAN MISSION AT AGE


40 **** 30 **** 40

RESURRECTION ON EARTH


not resurrected **** resurrection claimed **** not resurrected
 
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"And this [is] the blessing, wherewith moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand [went] a fiery law for them."

Deuteronomy 33:1

"the LORD came from Sinai" this is and obvious reference to Moses (pbuh) receiving revelation on Mt. Sinai

"and rose up from Seir unto them" Seir is a reference to Jesus (pbuh). It is usually associated with the chain of mountains West and South of the Dead Sea extending through Jerusalem, and Bethlehem, the birthplace of Jesus (pbuh). It was later extended to include the mountains on the East side as well (Dictionary of the Bible, John L. McKenzie, S.J., p. 783). However, Seir is also identified with the Northern border of the tribal territory of Judah and usually with Saris near Kesla (Chesalon), barely nine miles West of these two cities (The Eerdmans Bible Dictionary, by Allen C. Myers, pp. 921-922, and The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, V4, p. 262) Prophet Moses (pbuh) never in his lifetime entered Palestine, and thus, this could not be a reference to him.

"he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand [went] a fiery law for them." Paran is a reference to the city of Makkah in the Arabian Peninsula. The wilderness of Paran is where Abraham's wife Hagar and his eldest son Ishmael settled (Genesis 21:21) in the Arabian desert, specifically, Makkah. Makkah is, of course, the capital of Islam in Arabia and the birthplace of Mohammed (pbuh). Mount Paran is the chain of mountains in that same region which the Arabs call the "Sarawat mountains". Muhammad (pbuh) received his first revelation in the cave of "Hira'a" located in these mountains (see Fig. 9). Jesus never in his life traveled to Paran. Mohammed, however, was born there. He became the prophet of Islam there. And it was the capital of the Islamic religion in that day and this. No prophet of the Bible ever came from the Arabian city of Paran (Makkah). Prophet Muhammad (saws) is the only prophet of God who has ever fulfilled this prophesy.

We also read in verse 33:2 that a fiery law shall issue forth from the right hand of the prophet from Paran. Muhammad (pbuh) did indeed come with a new law called the Shari'ah. The reference to "right" hand is a reference to strength, justice, and guidance. In Islam, all clean and desirable actions are performed with the "right" hand (eating, shaking hands, etc.), while all other actions are done with the left hand (washing one's private parts, picking up garbage, etc.). In the Qur'an, the good are described on the Day of Judgment as receiving their book of deeds in their "right" hands, while the wicked receive theirs in their "left" hand. This can be seen for example in Al-Haqah(69):13-37. This general attitude is also conveyed in the Bible. We read:

"Biblical phrases referring to the right hand reflect a widespread human cultural attitude, namely the recognition that for most people the right hand is both stronger and more adept than the left, and is the hand with which many tasks are instinctively undertaken ... Eccl. 10:2 links 'a wise man's heart' with his right hand, and 'a fool's heart' with his left. When the Son of Man separates the sheep from the goats at the Last Judgment, it is to the damned 'on the left hand' that he says, 'Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire' (Matt. 25:41) ...The right hand is often mentioned as a symbol of strength, both for human beings and anthropomophically for God (e.g. Job 40:14; Isa. 48:13)"

However, if we look closely, we will find that the prophesy contains one more requirement. It tells us that this prophet from Paran who will bring a fiery new law shall come with 10,000 saints. Once again, two years before the death of prophet Muhammad (saws), in the year 630 AD, he lead 10,000 of his followers to their final and decisive victory against the pagans of Makkah (see chapter 10). This was one of the most bloodless victories of all history. The Muslims took control of Makkah, the capital of paganistic Arabia, virtually without a single casualty. Upon entering Makkah victorious, Muhammad did not take it's inhabitants as prisoners. Even though these people had been torturing himself and his companions, and killing many of them over many years, still, Muhammad commanded that they not be tortured, nor should retribution be sought against them. Rather, he pardoned them all and set them free. Most of them entered into Islam.

Once again, we find that prophet Moses (pbuh) was appointed seventy very close and devout followers (Exodus 24:1-9, Numbers 11:16-25). Jesus (pbuh) was appointed eleven very close and devout followers (if we were to exclude Judas), as seen in Matthew 10:1-5, Mark 3:14-19, etc. Prophet Muhammad(saws), once again, was the only one to fulfill this requirement.
 
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ok. there are alot of 'vocal' people on here.. but noone care to refute or argue any further the claims here..
 
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KLICHE;459686 said:
ok. there are alot of 'vocal' people on here.. but noone care to refute or argue any further the claims here..

IMO the Bible and Quran are speaking of the same God, they both have alot of similarities, I think they just have a different supporting cast. And if you want my opinion on Muhammad being prophesised in the bible, I in all honesty think him and Moses were the same person only the names and times got changed over time.
 
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ThaChozenWun;459697 said:
IMO the Bible and Quran are speaking of the same God, they both have alot of similarities, I think they just have a different supporting cast. And if you want my opinion on Muhammad being prophesised in the bible, I in all honesty think him and Moses were the same person only the names and times got changed over time.

and minus an Ark lol.. but hey interesting theory because i can honestly say NOWHERE have I ever read that view on it all
 
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@thachosenwun

But if we really look at it, so then Moses could have foretold coming of jesus... then jesus came.. then moses has input in the bible to say he is coming after christ as muhammad??
 
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KLICHE;459728 said:
and minus an Ark lol.. but hey interesting theory because i can honestly say NOWHERE have I ever read that view on it all

Ill have to dig up some stuff on it again and post it one day why I think that way, I remember there were certain things that to me pointed to them being the same man, and that both books were acually speaking about the same God, the Jesus' thing doesnt match up, but if Moses' was told of a future prophet im sure he would have told the Jews ahead of time not to crucify him he's our lords son.

For those who need more help on the original point of the thread this is a great read about it I read a few months ago. http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/muhammad.html
 
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KLICHE;459735 said:
@thachosenwun

But if we really look at it, so then Moses could have foretold coming of jesus... then jesus came.. then moses has input in the bible to say he is coming after christ as muhammad??

Moses was told that he was coming, he just for some reason forgot to tell the Jews hey this is gods kid dont kill him. As far as Moses' coming back as Muhammad, that could explain why he didnt tell the Jews about Jesus, because he was really told he would coming back another prophet. Just Jesus got to cut the line.
 
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Just want to point out another similarity between Yah'shua and Moses is the fact that they both escaped death as an infant. Pharoah and King Herod ordered all male babies to be killed and YHWH spared both Moses and Yah'shua.
 
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A few things Moses and Muhammad had in common some were already posted by Kliche

1) Both had normal births.

2) Both had normal deaths.

3) Both led armies.

4) Both were political leaders.

5) Both were rejected by their people but later became their accepted leaders.

6) Both brought new laws to their people.

7) Both emigrated before ultimately obtaining power.

8) Both had successors that conquered Palestine.
 
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KLICHE;445481 said:
Here is more information??? For me it is an ongoing investigation lol

The Awaited Prophet will be from the Brethren of the Jews

The verse in discussion is explicit in saying that the prophet will come amongst the Brethren of the Jews. Abraham had two sons: Ishmael and Isaac. The Jews are the descendants of Isaac’s son, Jacob. The Arabs are the children of Ishmael. Thus, the Arabs are the brethren of the Jewish nation.[3] The Bible affirms:

‘And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 16:12)

‘And he (Ishmael) died in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 25:18)

The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. Likewise, Muhammad is from among the brethren of the Israelites, because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham.

No offense but this is a weak retort. The guy before you explained how the context in DEU is clearly using the term brethren to refer to other Israelites. You offer the examples of the word being used in clearly different context in a completely different book. I don't really see how this addresses the point he made at all.
 
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The Lonious Monk;460775 said:
No offense but this is a weak retort. The guy before you explained how the context in DEU is clearly using the term brethren to refer to other Israelites. You offer the examples of the word being used in clearly different context in a completely different book. I don't really see how this addresses the point he made at all.

If it's not Rasoolullah (s.a.w.s) then who is it because he's the ONLY person that i've heard of who's even come close to fulfilling the prophecies of "that prophet" if it's not him then we'd have to still be waiting for his arrival because it definitely wasn't Jesus
 
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supaman4321;461180 said:
If it's not Rasoolullah (s.a.w.s) then who is it because he's the ONLY person that i've heard of who's even come close to fulfilling the prophecies of "that prophet" if it's not him then we'd have to still be waiting for his arrival because it definitely wasn't Jesus

:: raises eyebrow ::

Actually the Deu.18 passage was already ascribed conclusively to Jesus by all the early disciples. Read (Act. 3:22-26; 7:36-38). All the followers and disciples of Jesus never looked beyond him, to look for another “prophet” who would presumptuously fulfill Deu.18.
 
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cwill 420;462359 said:
:: raises eyebrow ::

Actually the Deu.18 passage was already ascribed conclusively to Jesus by all the early disciples. Read (Act. 3:22-26; 7:36-38). All the followers and disciples of Jesus never looked beyond him, to look for another “prophet” who would presumptuously fulfill Deu.18.

how do you figure? the priests were awaiting three different people the christ, elijah, and that prophet. Obviously Jesus (pbuh) was the christ, and he told them that John the baptist was Elijah so how can he be both the christ and that prophet when they were three seperate people

:: raises eyebrow ::
 
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"1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows."


Matthew 24:11 "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many."

Matthew 24:24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect."

1 John 2:18 "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour."

1 John 4:3 "and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."

Muhammad is a deceiver and all those who were and are foolish enough to follow him will be dealt with on the day of Judgment. The time for this world to be judged is at hand. I refuse to sugar coat the truth. The only way to the kingdom of God is through Jesus Christ. If you don't believe that so be it.
 
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The Lonious Monk;460775 said:
No offense but this is a weak retort.

no offense taken. i'm as clueless to this as most.. and just out to learn, and see things from all angles.
 
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;463665 said:


Matthew 24:11 "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many."

Matthew 24:24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect."

1 John 2:18 "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour."

1 John 4:3 "and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."

Muhammad is a deceiver and all those who were and are foolish enough to follow him will be dealt with on the day of Judgment. The time for this world to be judged is at hand. I refuse to sugar coat the truth. The only way to the kingdom of God is through Jesus Christ. If you don't believe that so be it.


One thing I would say to observe is Muhammad never claimed to be on par with Jesus Christ, or put himself on the same level as Christ. If anything one will see after having viewed the Quran is that Jesus is the most mentioned 'prophet', 'messenger' than any other, and such a high degree of respect is put on his mother Mary with a chapter dedicated to her. So for starters I have seen that Muhammad was never trying to take anything away from Christ or to belittle him in any way. If anything it was to make people aware of his existence and for people to have profound respect and adulation for him, as he was/is the Messiah. This seems hardly the message of someone who is there to 'mislead' or 'deceive' anyone, when also the strong point was to worship the Almighty as One and above all which every previous messenger put emphasis on bigtime.
 
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KLICHE;463799 said:
One thing I would say to observe is Muhammad never claimed to be on par with Jesus Christ, or put himself on the same level as Christ. If anything one will see after having viewed the Quran is that Jesus is the most mentioned 'prophet', 'messenger' than any other, and such a high degree of respect is put on his mother Mary with a chapter dedicated to her. So for starters I have seen that Muhammad was never trying to take anything away from Christ or to belittle him in any way. If anything it was to make people aware of his existence and for people to have profound respect and adulation for him, as he was/is the Messiah. This seems hardly the message of someone who is there to 'mislead' or 'deceive' anyone, when also the strong point was to worship the Almighty as One and above all which every previous messenger put emphasis on bigtime.

This is true, Muhammad never claimed to be the Messiah or take the spot of Christ.
 
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KLICHE;463799 said:
One thing I would say to observe is Muhammad never claimed to be on par with Jesus Christ, or put himself on the same level as Christ. If anything one will see after having viewed the Quran is that Jesus is the most mentioned 'prophet', 'messenger' than any other, and such a high degree of respect is put on his mother Mary with a chapter dedicated to her. So for starters I have seen that Muhammad was never trying to take anything away from Christ or to belittle him in any way. If anything it was to make people aware of his existence and for people to have profound respect and adulation for him, as he was/is the Messiah. This seems hardly the message of someone who is there to 'mislead' or 'deceive' anyone, when also the strong point was to worship the Almighty as One and above all which every previous messenger put emphasis on bigtime.

If that was the case why doesn't the Quran state what it says in John 14:6?

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Why didn't Muhammad state this when he received his "angelic revelation"?
 
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