Was/Is Sports One Of The Biggest Factors Of Today's Society?

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playmaker88;c-9837800 said:
Stew;c-9837791 said:
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Stew;d-558924 said:
Been watching the Celtics vs Lakers 30 For 30 on ESPN the last few days and my coworker(white) and i asked each other, what would our country be like without sports? It captures a moment of time where there was still parts of the country super racist and prejudice (yes I know ppl are still racist, save it, not what I'm gettin at) and the game of basketball helped eliminate some of it.

What if Jackie Robinson never happened? What if black folks never took over the games of basketball and Football? Do you think our country would still be the same?

Again, I know ppl are still racist and prejudice but 2017 is nothing like 1978.

Sports hasnt done jackshit for race relations.

Its dont just as well as Rap music has..

Spoiler Alert.. look at the social political landscape.. of the NFL and the Kaepernick fiasco.. its a microcosm of todays society.. the optics have changed.. thats it..

Why is Jackie Robinson praised then?

In your opinion, why is Kaepernick not signed? Just cause he's black?

@stew .. because hes not here.. its the nice thing to do america loves nostalgia.. Jackie Robinson didnt fight he existed he took all the slings and arrows and smiled on that was his sacrifice.

No the league is 75% black its because he stood up for black humanity and stepped out of the NFL assembly line.. whenever you do that you are a target.. but when you add depth to that your the enemy.


If Jackie Robinson was only praised just because he fought and took all the slings and arrows why did they induct him in the HOF in 60's when things were still pretty much separate? He was still alive then and Clearly nobody gave a shit about black "rights" back then.

So it sounds like you think hes being blackballed. Why are the players who followed his stance not being blackballed also? Do you think he'd still be on a team if he wasnt a free agent this off season?


Again he took the path of least resistance.. i could be wrong but i dont think he was on the forefront of the civil right fight beyond him integrating baseball.. he was so acceptable because he didnt rock the boat.

for your second question because when you cut off the head.. the body dies. they were backup dancers.. Cant call it be he would be ostracized much like now.. all we can do is talk about whats now not the what ifs with any clarity


Gotcha. Jackie wasnt on the civil rights fight, he went out and did his job and changed the game. For that alone is why he deserves the credit. Judging him for not doing so is absurd imo especially if you havnt dont anything better. If you dont think he helped the landscape for which we live in then you're just being naive.

My take on the Kaep situation is shaky. On one hand I do think he is being blackballed to an extent but him being an avg to below avg qb and playing an awkward style of QB isnt helping his situation. Also he's asking for a lot of money for a back-up QB.

 
How many black people are in baseball? he made a noble sacrifice. props to him for that but was there lasting impact.

Also your thread premise was about sports and race and the effect that it had in the grand scheme of things..

But if we are just talking baseball.. again refer to my first question.

Awkward or athletic. Also the fact that you mentioned something about the money is false narrative bandied about by people dead set against him getting a chance. You are referring to opinion pieces find an article of kap talking about the money he wants.

 
It can help to an open-minded person, but it only helps to a degree with a lot of others. If money and status were taken out of the sports picture then a lot of people would have nothing to do with anyone outside of their bubble. Ask a lot of these fans who their favorite players on their teams are, then ask those same ones about current events outside of sports and see what they say.
 
If it wasn't sports it would be something else. Indeed, it always is. Colour barriers have been broken in the sciences, in law, in politics, and all else. I don't think sports did anything these other areas didn't, other than give corporations another way to exploit black folks. There's a reason your favourite black athlete is in that sprite commercial, and it isn't because these corporations are your friends.
 
playmaker88;c-9837846 said:
How many black people are in baseball? he made a noble sacrifice. props to him for that but was there lasting impact.

Also your thread premise was about sports and race and the effect that it had in the grand scheme of things..

But if we are just talking baseball.. again refer to my first question.

Awkward or athletic. Also the fact that you mentioned something about the money is false narrative bandied about by people dead set against him getting a chance. You are referring to opinion pieces find an article of kap talking about the money he wants.

The amount of black people in baseball is irrelevant because black folks like to play football and basketball more, hence the amount of talent in both compared to blacks playing baseball. His sacrifices paved the way for others to be able to play those other sports professionally.

It is awkward and athletic and also not proven to win at the highest level otherwise teams would be all over it. Jaworski mentioned his contract negotiations on a radio show, pretty sure he has no dog in the fight and has more insight than you and I.
 
So ILL;c-9837856 said:
It can help to an open-minded person, but it only helps to a degree with a lot of others. If money and status were taken out of the sports picture then a lot of people would have nothing to do with anyone outside of their bubble. Ask a lot of these fans who their favorite players on their teams are, then ask those same ones about current events outside of sports and see what they say.

LUClEN;c-9837861 said:
If it wasn't sports it would be something else. Indeed, it always is. Colour barriers have been broken in the sciences, in law, in politics, and all else. I don't think sports did anything these other areas didn't, other than give corporations another way to exploit black folks. There's a reason your favourite black athlete is in that sprite commercial, and it isn't because these corporations are your friends.

Both of you are talking about professional sports. Everybody doesnt play sports to try to get to the pros which is the whole point of this thread lol
 
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Prior to professional sports having their Jackie Robinson and Jesse Owens moments those teams were segregated af. So how would that at all contribute to racial equality?
 
LUClEN;c-9837873 said:
Prior to professional sports having their Jackie Robinson and Jesse Owens moments those teams were segregated af. So how would that at all contribute to racial equality?

Obviously we're not talkin about a time that no longer exist.
 
Stew;c-9837862 said:
playmaker88;c-9837846 said:
How many black people are in baseball? he made a noble sacrifice. props to him for that but was there lasting impact.

Also your thread premise was about sports and race and the effect that it had in the grand scheme of things..

But if we are just talking baseball.. again refer to my first question.

Awkward or athletic. Also the fact that you mentioned something about the money is false narrative bandied about by people dead set against him getting a chance. You are referring to opinion pieces find an article of kap talking about the money he wants.

The amount of black people in baseball is irrelevant because black folks like to play football and basketball more, hence the amount of talent in both compared to blacks playing baseball. His sacrifices paved the way for others to be able to play those other sports professionally.

It is awkward and athletic and also not proven to win at the highest level otherwise teams would be all over it. Jaworski mentioned his contract negotiations on a radio show, pretty sure he has no dog in the fight and has more insight than you and I.

You are not accounting for the economics of baseball from the jr level and on.. as well as the green space you have to have to play baseball. while tru black people like to play those other sports more. There is no investment/outreach for youth programs for black people. Access doesnt mean equality.Access isnt universal either its conditional.

You speaking for Jaws do you know his biases? You are prettty sure about someone elses motivations.
 
Stew;c-9837892 said:
LUClEN;c-9837873 said:
Prior to professional sports having their Jackie Robinson and Jesse Owens moments those teams were segregated af. So how would that at all contribute to racial equality?

Obviously we're not talkin about a time that no longer exist.

Amateur sports are still pretty segregated as a consequence of municipal segregation. You're not gonna see Salvatore and Jamal hit some dingers and then get a pint
 
playmaker88;c-9837800 said:
Stew;c-9837791 said:
playmaker88;c-9837779 said:
Stew;c-9837762 said:
playmaker88;c-9837698 said:
Stew;d-558924 said:
Been watching the Celtics vs Lakers 30 For 30 on ESPN the last few days and my coworker(white) and i asked each other, what would our country be like without sports? It captures a moment of time where there was still parts of the country super racist and prejudice (yes I know ppl are still racist, save it, not what I'm gettin at) and the game of basketball helped eliminate some of it.

What if Jackie Robinson never happened? What if black folks never took over the games of basketball and Football? Do you think our country would still be the same?

Again, I know ppl are still racist and prejudice but 2017 is nothing like 1978.

Sports hasnt done jackshit for race relations.

Its dont just as well as Rap music has..

Spoiler Alert.. look at the social political landscape.. of the NFL and the Kaepernick fiasco.. its a microcosm of todays society.. the optics have changed.. thats it..

Why is Jackie Robinson praised then?

In your opinion, why is Kaepernick not signed? Just cause he's black?

@stew .. because hes not here.. its the nice thing to do america loves nostalgia.. Jackie Robinson didnt fight he existed he took all the slings and arrows and smiled on that was his sacrifice.

No the league is 75% black its because he stood up for black humanity and stepped out of the NFL assembly line.. whenever you do that you are a target.. but when you add depth to that your the enemy.


If Jackie Robinson was only praised just because he fought and took all the slings and arrows why did they induct him in the HOF in 60's when things were still pretty much separate? He was still alive then and Clearly nobody gave a shit about black "rights" back then.

So it sounds like you think hes being blackballed. Why are the players who followed his stance not being blackballed also? Do you think he'd still be on a team if he wasnt a free agent this off season?


Again he took the path of least resistance.. i could be wrong but i dont think he was on the forefront of the civil right fight beyond him integrating baseball.. he was so acceptable because he didnt rock the boat.

for your second question because when you cut off the head.. the body dies. they were backup dancers.. Cant call it be he would be ostracized much like now.. all we can do is talk about whats now not the what ifs with any clarity


All those death threats Jackie Robinson got really shows how acceptable he was. Go read up on the stuff he said after he retired...he was angry as fuck about how he was treated
 
playmaker88;c-9837896 said:
Stew;c-9837862 said:
playmaker88;c-9837846 said:
How many black people are in baseball? he made a noble sacrifice. props to him for that but was there lasting impact.

Also your thread premise was about sports and race and the effect that it had in the grand scheme of things..

But if we are just talking baseball.. again refer to my first question.

Awkward or athletic. Also the fact that you mentioned something about the money is false narrative bandied about by people dead set against him getting a chance. You are referring to opinion pieces find an article of kap talking about the money he wants.

The amount of black people in baseball is irrelevant because black folks like to play football and basketball more, hence the amount of talent in both compared to blacks playing baseball. His sacrifices paved the way for others to be able to play those other sports professionally.

It is awkward and athletic and also not proven to win at the highest level otherwise teams would be all over it. Jaworski mentioned his contract negotiations on a radio show, pretty sure he has no dog in the fight and has more insight than you and I.

You are not accounting for the economics of baseball from the jr level and on.. as well as the green space you have to have to play baseball. while tru black people like to play those other sports more. There is no investment/outreach for youth programs for black people. Access doesnt mean equality.Access isnt universal either its conditional.

You speaking for Jaws do you know his biases? You are prettty sure about someone elses motivations.

Fair point about the economics which leads me to another point why black parents should be pushing their kids to play baseball more than the other sports simply because of the pay but we don't cause the kids want to play the other sports.

I know his biases and motivations just as much as you know the 32 teams info about wanting or not wanting Kaep.
 
blackrain;c-9837906 said:
playmaker88;c-9837800 said:
Stew;c-9837791 said:
playmaker88;c-9837779 said:
Stew;c-9837762 said:
playmaker88;c-9837698 said:
Stew;d-558924 said:
Been watching the Celtics vs Lakers 30 For 30 on ESPN the last few days and my coworker(white) and i asked each other, what would our country be like without sports? It captures a moment of time where there was still parts of the country super racist and prejudice (yes I know ppl are still racist, save it, not what I'm gettin at) and the game of basketball helped eliminate some of it.

What if Jackie Robinson never happened? What if black folks never took over the games of basketball and Football? Do you think our country would still be the same?

Again, I know ppl are still racist and prejudice but 2017 is nothing like 1978.

Sports hasnt done jackshit for race relations.

Its dont just as well as Rap music has..

Spoiler Alert.. look at the social political landscape.. of the NFL and the Kaepernick fiasco.. its a microcosm of todays society.. the optics have changed.. thats it..

Why is Jackie Robinson praised then?

In your opinion, why is Kaepernick not signed? Just cause he's black?

@stew .. because hes not here.. its the nice thing to do america loves nostalgia.. Jackie Robinson didnt fight he existed he took all the slings and arrows and smiled on that was his sacrifice.

No the league is 75% black its because he stood up for black humanity and stepped out of the NFL assembly line.. whenever you do that you are a target.. but when you add depth to that your the enemy.


If Jackie Robinson was only praised just because he fought and took all the slings and arrows why did they induct him in the HOF in 60's when things were still pretty much separate? He was still alive then and Clearly nobody gave a shit about black "rights" back then.

So it sounds like you think hes being blackballed. Why are the players who followed his stance not being blackballed also? Do you think he'd still be on a team if he wasnt a free agent this off season?


Again he took the path of least resistance.. i could be wrong but i dont think he was on the forefront of the civil right fight beyond him integrating baseball.. he was so acceptable because he didnt rock the boat.

for your second question because when you cut off the head.. the body dies. they were backup dancers.. Cant call it be he would be ostracized much like now.. all we can do is talk about whats now not the what ifs with any clarity


All those death threats Jackie Robinson got really shows how acceptable he was. Go read up on the stuff he said after he retired...he was angry as fuck about how he was treated


Didnt say he didnt.. he took it thats what im saying he wasnt out rattling off the shit he went through. He was acceptable tolerable because he didnt get up on the Soapbox.. he sacrificed that part make the "integration" stick if he wasnt successful the conventional thought was who else
 
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LUClEN;c-9837902 said:
Stew;c-9837892 said:
LUClEN;c-9837873 said:
Prior to professional sports having their Jackie Robinson and Jesse Owens moments those teams were segregated af. So how would that at all contribute to racial equality?

Obviously we're not talkin about a time that no longer exist.

Amateur sports are still pretty segregated as a consequence of municipal segregation. You're not gonna see Salvatore and Jamal hit some dingers and then get a pint

Which sports are these? Last time I checked, teams wanted the best players to win by any means necessary, word to all the schools doing illegal activities to get the best players.
 
Stew;c-9837916 said:
LUClEN;c-9837902 said:
Stew;c-9837892 said:
LUClEN;c-9837873 said:
Prior to professional sports having their Jackie Robinson and Jesse Owens moments those teams were segregated af. So how would that at all contribute to racial equality?

Obviously we're not talkin about a time that no longer exist.

Amateur sports are still pretty segregated as a consequence of municipal segregation. You're not gonna see Salvatore and Jamal hit some dingers and then get a pint

Which sports are these? Last time I checked, teams wanted the best players to win by any means necessary, word to all the schools doing illegal activities to get the best players.

Are you talking about schools or rec / city teams? Your line of focus is incoherent.

Sports have by and large been another way for white people to profit from the labour done by black bodies. It's another avenue for racial stereotypes to manifest. In a lot of ways it's another box into which they can put you. I'm not buying this view of sports as some kind of racial liberation tool.
 
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LUClEN;c-9837925 said:
Stew;c-9837916 said:
LUClEN;c-9837902 said:
Stew;c-9837892 said:
LUClEN;c-9837873 said:
Prior to professional sports having their Jackie Robinson and Jesse Owens moments those teams were segregated af. So how would that at all contribute to racial equality?

Obviously we're not talkin about a time that no longer exist.

Amateur sports are still pretty segregated as a consequence of municipal segregation. You're not gonna see Salvatore and Jamal hit some dingers and then get a pint

Which sports are these? Last time I checked, teams wanted the best players to win by any means necessary, word to all the schools doing illegal activities to get the best players.

Are you talking about schools or rec / city teams? Your line of focus is incoherent

U said "amateur sports", I asked which sports. Idk how else to put it bruh.
 
I might be one of the older members of this thread so let me give my $0.02

I'm Black and Injun. I was born in 1973. I lived in a two parent home in the suburbs. Both of my parents went to college. I can remember going to meetings, rallies or just having people over my house and the topic of race relations would come up. I'm talking in the early 80s, before The Cosby Show. Before Spike Lee started making movies. I'm talking before Martin Luther King's birthday was a national holiday.

I can remember that educated Black people felt like you never see a Black person on TV unless he was an athlete or entertainer. Furthermore, if you saw a Black person on TV, he was usually shucking and jiving like JJ Evans on Good Times. Another common complaint was that whenever you see a Black girl on TV she's light skinned with long hair.

In the NBA there were no Black coaches or owners, it was always a Black team with a white coach. In the NCAA players would take dummy classes like basket weaving so they could have enough credits to be eligible to play, but when the basketball was over those Black college players wouldn't graduate, nor would they make it to the pros. The colleges just used them to play Basketball but didn't encourage them to get good grades or to graduate.

In Hollywood Eddie Murphy was a rising star. But he was always shucking and jiving. Beverly Hills Cop is a good example of what I mean by shucking and jiving.

MTV wouldn't play any Black artist videos. But Michael Jackson broke the color barrier and later Prince and Run DMC would have videos on MTV.

Sometime in the mid 80s things started to change. First thing I remember was The Cosby Show. It was the first time you saw a successful Black family with the parents being a doctor and a lawyer with the kids going off to college.

There were three movies that came out around the same time that were the catalyst for the change in Hollywood. Those 3 movies were A Soldier's Story, Hollywood Shuffle and She's Gotta Have It. I recommend seeing all three if you haven't seen them.

Spike Lee's first movie came out in 1986 and was the polar opposite of what Eddie Murphy was doing. Spike Lee was an African American director while Eddie Murphy's movies were directed by White directors. Those white directors clearly didn't know how Black people interact with each other.

Georgetown University, coached by John Thompson, won the NCAA Tournament in 1984. John Thompson was the first Black coach to win the NCAA tournament. He had a policy that all of his players graduated. He didn't tolerate his players taking dummy classes just so they could be eligible to play.

Jesse Jackson ran for president in 1984 and again in 1988. He actually won a few states in the primaries and was being taken seriously as a legitimate candidate.

By the end of the 80s, all of the complaints that people had about racism had been addressed. There were Black coaches in sports, There were Black directors in Hollywood, there were television shows that featured Black families. You started to see more Black people in executive positions.

Colin Powell was one of the top Military people. During the first Persian Gulf War when they gave press conferences, Colin Powell was the one that answered all the questions.

Clarence Thomas was nominated and confirmed in the Supreme Court.

Michael Jordan was an athlete and entrepreneur with a sneaker line that was generating hundreds of millions of dollars.

Oprah was the queen of talk shows and had the number one rated show. She owned the rights to the show rather than selling it to a network. And she was Brown skinned and overweight.

Denzel Washington was nominated for Best Supporting Actor for his role in Cry Freedom in 1988 and won the Oscar for Best Actor for his role in Glory in 1990.

Spike Lee made a movie every year for about 7 or 8 years in a row and they all had Black casts that acted like civilized people, not buffoons. He directed Malcolm X which was a big deal at the time.

All in all, the way I remember it, everything that people used to complain about when I was a kid changed right before my eyes. At 43 years old, most of the stuff that people complained about when I was a kid is no longer true. There's still problems with police brutality and the criminal justice system but there's also a 50% dropout rate in the inner city. The statistics show that people who drop out of high school are more likely wind up in prison. So while there is police brutality and the criminal justice system needs to be addressed, half of the blame (or more than half) goes to the Black and Latino kids who are dropping out of high school. Dropping out is a direct path to nowhere.

Anyway, my point is that in the beginning of the 80s there were a lot of problems that the Black Community thought needed to be addressed and now we've had a Black president that served two terms.

Yeah, there's a disproportionate number of Black people in the criminal justice system, but they dropped out of high school so what do you expect? People that graduate high school and go on to college are less likely to be caught up in the system. Its really that simple.
 
Stew;c-9837929 said:
LUClEN;c-9837925 said:
Stew;c-9837916 said:
LUClEN;c-9837902 said:
Stew;c-9837892 said:
LUClEN;c-9837873 said:
Prior to professional sports having their Jackie Robinson and Jesse Owens moments those teams were segregated af. So how would that at all contribute to racial equality?

Obviously we're not talkin about a time that no longer exist.

Amateur sports are still pretty segregated as a consequence of municipal segregation. You're not gonna see Salvatore and Jamal hit some dingers and then get a pint

Which sports are these? Last time I checked, teams wanted the best players to win by any means necessary, word to all the schools doing illegal activities to get the best players.

Are you talking about schools or rec / city teams? Your line of focus is incoherent

U said "amateur sports", I asked which sports. Idk how else to put it bruh.

Anything below the professional level. Do you think white people that fled the inner city to the suburbs are putting their kids onto teams with nonwhites in the inner cities? You bring up schools but that's not symbolic of racism ending, that's just white people trying to exploit black athletes for the sake of their job and reputation.
 
LUClEN;c-9837937 said:
Stew;c-9837929 said:
LUClEN;c-9837925 said:
Stew;c-9837916 said:
LUClEN;c-9837902 said:
Stew;c-9837892 said:
LUClEN;c-9837873 said:
Prior to professional sports having their Jackie Robinson and Jesse Owens moments those teams were segregated af. So how would that at all contribute to racial equality?

Obviously we're not talkin about a time that no longer exist.

Amateur sports are still pretty segregated as a consequence of municipal segregation. You're not gonna see Salvatore and Jamal hit some dingers and then get a pint

Which sports are these? Last time I checked, teams wanted the best players to win by any means necessary, word to all the schools doing illegal activities to get the best players.

Are you talking about schools or rec / city teams? Your line of focus is incoherent

U said "amateur sports", I asked which sports. Idk how else to put it bruh.

Anything below the professional level. Do you think white people that fled the inner city to the suburbs are putting their kids onto teams with nonwhites in the inner cities? You bring up schools but that's not symbolic of racism ending, that's just white people trying to exploit black athletes for the sake of their job and reputation.

lol so all sports are segregated now? Wow, clearly you dont pay attention to high school and AAU sports and Im telling you this from somebody who covers all of it in the state of Georgia lmao
 
Stew;c-9837946 said:
LUClEN;c-9837937 said:
Stew;c-9837929 said:
LUClEN;c-9837925 said:
Stew;c-9837916 said:
LUClEN;c-9837902 said:
Stew;c-9837892 said:
LUClEN;c-9837873 said:
Prior to professional sports having their Jackie Robinson and Jesse Owens moments those teams were segregated af. So how would that at all contribute to racial equality?

Obviously we're not talkin about a time that no longer exist.

Amateur sports are still pretty segregated as a consequence of municipal segregation. You're not gonna see Salvatore and Jamal hit some dingers and then get a pint

Which sports are these? Last time I checked, teams wanted the best players to win by any means necessary, word to all the schools doing illegal activities to get the best players.

Are you talking about schools or rec / city teams? Your line of focus is incoherent

U said "amateur sports", I asked which sports. Idk how else to put it bruh.

Anything below the professional level. Do you think white people that fled the inner city to the suburbs are putting their kids onto teams with nonwhites in the inner cities? You bring up schools but that's not symbolic of racism ending, that's just white people trying to exploit black athletes for the sake of their job and reputation.

lol so all sports are segregated now? Wow, clearly you dont pay attention to high school and AAU sports and Im telling you this from somebody who covers all of it in the state of Georgia lmao

I never said all sports are segregated. There are clearly "white sports" and "black sports", though.

If your argument was as strong as you seem to think you would have dropped facts instead of posing the question. I'm willing to be convinced but you're doing a bad job of it.
 

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