Was God a Volcano? Moses makes him seem that way!

[ThaChozenWun]

If Moses was on shrooms the law would have been much different. Although I have heard the theory that manna was shrooms...I dont think so though. Moses had too much of a temper problem to be a shroom user.

lol I was fuckin with dude, although Moses is the only guy I believe was real, I don't think he used shrooms simply because they are not in certain areas he would have been in. I do believe he did use hallucinogenics though or had some sort of mental condition in which he heard voices, no divine speaking.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

God came to Moses as a 'burning bush' so what's your take on that? The bush never spoke to him? It just crackled, hissed and snapped and oh, that's God speaking some strange language that I somehow can interpret?

How does the verses I post say, "heard a voice but no words" ??

Burning Bush was left burning from the lava running it over or the initial eruption. And No I don't believe a burning bush spoke to him.

Simply, He heard a voice of words. He did not hear words but a voice. He heard a noise that sounded like a voice that speaks words.

 

[VIBE]

Burning Bush was left burning from the lava running it over or the initial eruption. And No I don't believe a burning bush spoke to him.

Simply, He heard a voice of words. He did not hear words but a voice. He heard a noise that sounded like a voice that speaks words.

Strange that you think like that though. I asked people, what does, "heard a voice of words" mean to you. I don't mention God, the bible or Moses. I just ask them what that means and everyone said the same thing, "that words were being spoken". If he heard a sound, then it would state it. How could he think it was words if he isn't sure if it was words or not? It's specific to say, "voice of words". I don't understand how you don't comprehend that.

Also, the bush was on fire but did not burn up. How can a bush be on fire and NOT burn it up? If it was lava, it would have burnt right through this bush. It didn't. It was divine, it was God.

Also, no one has ever seen God but Jesus. Everyone else sees some "hidden form" of God or hears a "voice of God". So that's why/how Moses spoke to God as a 'burning bush' or as a 'volcano' as you say...

 

[judahxulu]

lol I was fuckin with dude, although Moses is the only guy I believe was real, I don't think he used shrooms simply because they are not in certain areas he would have been in. I do believe he did use hallucinogenics though or had some sort of mental condition in which he heard voices, no divine speaking.

Perhaps seizures in his left temporal lobe.

 

[kingblaze84]

SMH at anyone still taking the Bible seriously......

 

[judahxulu]

SMH at anyone still taking the Bible seriously......

SMH @ people who totally dismiss the Bible yet frequent Bible threads....

 

[VIBE]

You know, I don't use Hebrew, I've never studied it, never read it. But I did research this, and you really seem to the point that Moses heard no words. Why? Because what you're trying to do is debunk the bible, that's the only reason. So no matter WHAT, you'll keep denying he actually heard words.

Even from Hebrew, it's "Davar" (daw-baw')

So yes, it is in the Hebrew bible as well dude. You can look it up.

I would like YOU to explain to me or find me a verse that states he never heard words.

Words = speech, speaking, word(s)

Voice = speaking, talking

So please, please, point this out to me. This verse is logic, not any more not any less. You've dumbed yourself down a bit for this one, trying so hard to debunk me when you cannot. You've yet to show me anything that says so.

 

[VIBE]

[video=youtube;XtI-lSvS028]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtI-lSvS028[/video]

Read about it a while ago, finally found a video so I didn't have to put it all together.

Basic Description if you don't want to watch the video : Moses tells of his meeting with god, his seeing of god, and his description of god. People take in all these "only god can do them" miracle manifestations. What it really seems to be though is Moses is describing a volcano, being the superstitious people they were during the time, along with limited knowledge of the Earth's happening, it isn't hard to see where Moses and others would have mistaken an Earthly occurrence of great magnitude and thought it to be something divine.

This whole video is a joke overall. I just re-watched it and I'll explain why.

 

[VIBE]

I’ll play along with you, the “volcano” theory instead of it being actually God.

He states it’s a “volcano”, from Exodus 13:21, 14:24, 19:16, 19:18, 20:18, 24:17. Those are his verses of evidence.

Which sounds probable. Until you really research it.

First, the bible uses the word, “pillar”. It says, “pillar of cloud” & “pillar of fire”.

Now let’s look up the definition of pillar that can work with what’s being said.

“pil·lar (p l r)
n.
1.
a. A slender, freestanding, vertical support; a column.
b. Such a structure or one similar to it used for decoration.
2. One who occupies a central or responsible position: a pillar of the state.”

Well, which one can fit the description? The first one can be said for the “pillar of cloud”, but how about the “pillar of fire” ?? A volcano doesn’t flame but have molten lava, which cannot be a “vertical column” because it falls back down to the ground. So the only one that fits is the 2nd one which says, “one who occupies a central or responsible position” and the bible states God was the one who did occupy this position of “fire” to guide them. So the pillar in this sense is the 2nd definition.

Now, with pillar done lets go to all the volcano talk. He says, “now I know there’s no volcanoes on the Sinai peninsula” then continues and says that Moses basically got the location wrong. (of where he’s at) Then later in the video says, “Yes, the guy really did go up to Mount Sinai”. So what is it? I thought he had the location wrong, because there is “no volcanoes on the Sinai peninsula”. So is it safe to say he doesn’t know what he’s talking about? Remember, this is out of HIS mouth not mine. YOU posted this video.

Then he moves on to say what Moses heard. Again, I’ve stated over and over that he states, “he heard no sound of words, saw no form, but heard a voice”. That is how he read it, but the bible reads it, “he heard the sound of words”. Even the Hebrew bible states it like that. So where does he get “heard no sound of words” ?? It doesn’t make sense. Then your argument was the word, “similitude” but it’s only for a “form” not words. Hence in other bibles it uses, “form” in place of “similitude” but leaves “word” there. Lets look at the definition AGAIN.

si·mil·i·tude

1. Similarity; resemblance. See Synonyms at likeness.
2.
a. One closely resembling another; a counterpart.
b. A perceptible likeness.

Now, it’s speaking of a “form”. Look up “likeness” and you’ll see that it still is speaking about a physical form, something you can look at. So this cannot mean he hears no words but is correct in seen “no form”. Which coincides with the bible perfectly. No distorting or contorting.

Then he tries to make the bible seem like it contradicts with Deut 5:4, which says.

deut 5:4

The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,

Ahh, but it said he seen “no form” right? Correct, and he still doesn’t. He isn’t speaking “face to face” in literal terms but saying, since the “midst of the fire” is God, it’s LIKE we’re speaking face to face. Because God IS speaking to Moses from the midst of the fire. Remember, God is this, “pillar” which in this definition says he is occupying this central position and is responsible for this position. So they’re “speaking face to face”.

Now, lets move on again to this, "volcano". I'll try to keep it short.

A volcanic cloud remains hot, for a while. Not only that, the cloud would pretty much "suffocate" a person. Not only that, it would burn the eyes, throat and lungs. No one could bare that, hence why people RUN from the cloud, not go INTO it. Also, it says fire, smoke, cloud, right? It speaks of no ash or this spewing of magma. If it's erupting, it should be spitting fire, spewing fire, throwing fire, right? It's not. How though? Doesn't make sense now for it to be a volcanic eruption, it can't be. You must have those characteristics. But it's not explained that way, why? Have you seen the people of Pompeii? They are frozen in stone from the ash, they couldn't breathe this stuff in. Hell, not even when the Trade Centers, when collapsed, could they breath this in without their eyes, throat and lungs burning. It was tolerable for them in NY though because it wasn't STEAMING HOT CLOUDS. So really, how about YOU go and research this stuff and look it up instead of me.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Lol dude I would destroy that shit you just posted, but you would pull the same religious hype bullshit and say, well its god so whatever...

Niggas need to understand the way people at the time percieved things, motherfuckers actin like Moses and then would have said "No no, this wasn't lava, this was acually fire". It was hot, red, and orange accompanied by smoke. At that time, shit was fire.

 

[VIBE]

Lol dude I would destroy that shit you just posted, but you would pull the same religious hype bullshit and say, well its god so whatever...

Niggas need to understand the way people at the time percieved things, motherfuckers actin like Moses and then would have said "No no, this wasn't lava, this was acually fire". It was hot, red, and orange accompanied by smoke. At that time, shit was fire.

They weren't stupid back then, fire is flames. It would've been described differently.

Anyway, I want you to "destroy the s I just posted", please, you're welcome to do so.

I have no "religious hype", it's a description for what it is and how it is. I never distorted or contorted to my ways. Like I keep saying, SCRIPTURE IS PRETTY EASY TO UNDERSTAND! It's as simple as THAT.

 

[VIBE]

Lol dude I would destroy that shit you just posted, but you would pull the same religious hype bullshit and say, well its god so whatever...

Niggas need to understand the way people at the time percieved things, motherfuckers actin like Moses and then would have said "No no, this wasn't lava, this was acually fire". It was hot, red, and orange accompanied by smoke. At that time, shit was fire.

1. How is it "religious hype"? LOL It is God so it's not "whatever".

2. I understand things were perceived differently at the time but they didn't describe a "volcano". I agree IF it was "lava" they would've described it as "fire" but it never stated it "spewed fire", "threw fire", "spit fire" etc. No characteristics of an eruption but the "smoke/cloud", which could've been a clouded storm as well, ever thought of that? Not necessarily rain but thunder, lighting, clouds etc. Makes more sense that the retarded volcano. God came in different forms, because God couldn't be seen or the person would die. Remember that? So that's why God cannot come in just His full Heavenly form.

The biggest thing with this guy? Is that while reading, side by side with pictures of a volcano. Our mind works with it, so we're sitting there thinking, OH SNAP IT IS A VOLCANO. When in reality, if he never side by sided pictures, it would've been different. Smart guy I'll say though, images with words work better.

Anyway, you may be busy or something but I still welcome you to destroy my post lol really. I broke it down well bro, all I'm doing is breaking down what he said and what you seem to believe. I think the funniest one is "pillar" to be honest, I don't know why but I think the way he tried to use it is funny. LOL

 

[VIBE]

As for Mt. Sinai. It was supposedly active between 1350-1275BC. Not sure exactly what time period that Moses was supposed to exist, but when I read the original article on it and did a little searching the activity of Mt. Sinai was present during the 1300 BC area.

Why do you say "supposedly"? I looked up "volcanoes on Mt. Sinai" and there is "volcanic rocks" there but they originated from another place, not in Mt. Sinai itself.

su

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Why do you say "supposedly"? I looked up "volcanoes on Mt. Sinai" and there is "volcanic rocks" there but they originated from another place, not in Mt. Sinai itself.
su

Because scientist are split on whether it erupted pre 1500BC or shortly after, or whether or not the rocks were carried there after a global ice age left the planet flooded.