Virginia declares April Confederate History Month....cr@ckas are going too far now

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The Confederacy: Kill the Myth Once and For All

On April 3, 1865, Richmond, Virginia, fell to Union soldiers as Confederate troops retreated to the West, exhausted, weak, and low on supplies. The end would come soon thereafter. On April 5, Generals Robert E. Lee and Ulysses S. Grant started an exchange of notes that would lead to Lee's surrender at Appomattox on April 9. As we approach this important anniversary, the time is upon us to consider, and ultimately reject, the sterilized myths of the Confederacy.

Southerners who claim a deep national pride celebrate their ancestors' efforts to dissolve the very union of states whose flag they now so proudly fly. They honor a campaign to destroy our country but claim the mantle of patriot. That makes no sense. The contradiction is always swept under the rug, but that must stop. Next year will mark the 150th anniversary of the war's first battle; that is a good time to close this chapter of hypocrisy and inconsistency. A southern loyalist cannot be a patriot; the two ideals are mutually incompatible. You cannot simultaneously love the United States and love the idea of destroying the United States. To claim both is insane, the equivalent of declaring that you love all Mexican food but hate enchiladas. The claims are each exclusive of the other and therefore by definition both cannot be true.

Let us take one issue off the table immediately. Certainly one can rightly honor the bravery of fallen soldiers no matter whether they wore blue or grey. We can appreciate the rare military genius of Robert E. Lee, and the loyalty and dedication of Stonewall Jackson, George Pickett and Nathan Forrest. These generals and the men they led fought valiantly, with integrity, with honor, for a cause in which they believed passionately. For this we owe them our deepest respect.

But honoring the man is not equivalent to honoring the cause for which he fought. The cause championed by the South should cover every American with shame. Have no doubt that the South was at war to dismantle our nation, to destroy our Constitution. For this goal of secession, of which nobody should be proud, more than 630,000 soldiers (some claim up to 700,000) were killed or wounded in four years of hellish war. To put this in perspective consider that the entire population of the United States at war's end was 35 million, putting war casualties at nearly 2% of the total populace. Equivalent rates of casualties today would result in 5 million dead or wounded, dwarfing our losses in World War II, or any other war.

Why did 2% of our population suffer death or maiming? Over the issue of state sovereignty and the interpretation of the Tenth Amendment (ratified in 1791). The text is simple enough: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." But we also have the Supremacy Clause of Article VI of the Constitution, which say, "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

Simply put, 11 southern states seceded from the Union in protest against federal legislation that limited the expansion of slavery claiming that such legislation violated the tenth amendment, which they argued trumped the Supremacy Clause. The war was indeed about protecting the institution of slavery, but only as a specific case of a state's right to declare a federal law null and void.

The inherent tension between Article VI and the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution has kept lawyers busy and wealthy since our founding, and the argument goes on today. But the South went a significant step further than arguing a case. In seceding from the Union those states declared the U.S. Constitution dead. The president of the United States, sworn to uphold the Constitution, had no choice but to take whatever measures were necessary to fulfill his commitment. So war came.

So what exactly about that history would lead one to fly a Confederate flag over a state capitol building, or paste one on a F150 bumper or wear one on a T-shirt? Is the South proud of its efforts to protect slavery? Or attempting to destroy the United States through dissolution? For starting a war in which 2% of the population died? For losing the war? These are odd banners to carry around for nearly 150 years.

Perhaps the pride comes from the fact that the South stood up to a greater power, at least checking or slowing the pace of an expanding federalism. But even that does not pass the smell test; by starting but then losing the war the South created the exact opposite effect, solidifying federal power like never before.

But damn if the South does not hold on to the war as if they never actually lost, fighting incongruously for a hopeless cause of questionable value while simultaneously wrapping themselves in the American flag! So we get oddities like Virginia Governor Robert McDonnell proclaiming April "Confederate History Month" without ever mentioning slavery. When questioned about this curious oversight, McDonnell lamely explained that "there were any number of aspects to that conflict between the states. Obviously, it involved slavery. It involved other issues. But I focused on the ones I thought were most significant for Virginia." Really? If slavery was not among the most "significant" issues for Virginia, exactly what other state right was being violated by federal law leading to the Civil War? Does McDonnell even know the history of the war? Sadly, McDonnell is the not the first governor of his state to explicitly omit slavery from lofty declarations. Former Republican Virginia Governor Republican George Allen also failed to recognize slavery when making a similar proclamation. Seems to be a disease of Republican governors, a historic irony given the role of the young Republican Party in the war.

The South started and lost a war that nearly destroyed the United States in pursuit of a terrible cause. Let it go. Let. It. Go. You fought well but lost decisively. Your cause was unjust. Your actions were treasonous. There is no part of the Confederate cause of which to be proud. There is no moral high ground here. Waving the American flag while fiercely defending the effort to tear that flag down is untenable. Make a choice; be a proud American or a proud Confederate. You cannot possibly be both.

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stringer bell;467862 said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/the-confederacy-kill-the_b_529592.html

Simply put, 11 southern states seceded from the Union in protest against federal legislation that limited the expansion of slavery claiming that such legislation violated the tenth amendment, which they argued trumped the Supremacy Clause. The war was indeed about protecting the institution of slavery, but only as a specific case of a state's right to declare a federal law null and void.

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But some think it had little to do with slavery.
LOL

So what exactly about that history would lead one to fly a Confederate flag over a state capitol building, or paste one on a F150 bumper or wear one on a T-shirt? Is the South proud of its efforts to protect slavery? Or attempting to destroy the United States through dissolution? For starting a war in which 2% of the population died? For losing the war? These are odd banners to carry around for nearly 150 years.

Great questions.
 
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d.green;467884 said:
But some think it had little to do with slavery.LOL

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...07/AR2010040704956_2.html?sid=ST2010040705182

One vivid account was provided by Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens in 1861. He said the Confederate government's "foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural . . . condition."

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ItzGravitation;467398 said:
all slaves werent blacc
not all slave masters were evil
you just go by the history book but it was more than that
you gotta do your own research and learn
you might be missing the point. the states didnt succeed from the union until a anti-slavery president was democratically elected. they chose to leave the union before lincoln even made a move on slavery. its no coincidence that every confederate state happen to be slave states. the confederacy fought for the right for man to own another man, and the civil war ended that. you say that that not all slave masters were evil, im sorry, you can be an apologist if you want to, but any person who owns another person, is a piece of shit, regardless of color or how "well" you treat them cause no one in their right mind would want to be a slave. imagine trying to sell nazi history month to a jew and saying "whats wrong with nazi history month", "not all nazis were bad", "nazis did some good things" and absurd shit like that?
 
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ItzGravitation;467263 said:
whats wrong with Conferderate History Month?

We have Hispanic History Moneth, African American History Moneth, and several other months for groups/movements

quit hating on the Conferderates

Hello Alex Wilder
 
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ItzGravitational is obviously a troll. It says "Bisexual intellectual" under his/her name
 
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ItzGravitation;467542 said:
^^^^^^^^racist

He told the truth. And shame on you and your whore of a mother for you being alive. Slavery was an evil institution, stop making excuses for it. Fag crackers like you disgust me.
 
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ItzGravitation;467885 said:
everything but whites having the strongest hate

No hate is equal to the hate whites have had for other races. Ask yourself why whites have felt the need for hundreds of years to go into other lands and vanquish as many people as possible. White people are called devils by so many people for a reason.....I can't honestly say it is an unjustified name to call them.

Google up what whites did in Australia......the history of white people is truly disgusting the more one does research on it. Of course, whites have done many great things too, in technology and medicines for example. But their evil and hatred for other races is unmatched, read a history book. White people commit genocide for pleasure.....read up on what the French did in Algeria and what the Belgiums did in the Congo.

The history of white people on Earth is sickening, thank God I don't have any white cracker blood in me!
 
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hrap-120;468103 said:
...so I calmly told "it" that despite my prejudice it was virtually impossible for me to be "racist"due to me being a non-white person I lacked the power as an individual and my race as a collective to control or influence white people in the areas of (1)Economics, (2)Education, (3)Entertainment, (4)Labor, (5)Law, (6)Politics, (7)Religion, (8)Sex and (9)War.........therefore despite my prejudice towards my oppressor and enemy I could never be "racist".
all these words, and yet you don't seem to understand the definition of the word "racism"
 
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kingblaze84;470226 said:
...read up on what the French did in Algeria and what the Belgiums did in the Congo.
the Congo is, of course, an egregious example, but Algeria as "genocide?" really?
 
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janklow;470344 said:
all these words, and yet you don't seem to understand the definition of the word "racism"

Who defined the word "racism"...a europeon??

I am a student of Neely Fuller Jr. and Francess Cress Welsing so my definition of Racism is different from 95% of the population

I believe "racism/white supremacy is a construct used by white people to exploit, oppress, colonize, and manipulate non-white peoples.
Who created "racism" it damn sure wasn't a Black man, our interaction with other cultures has always been one of kindness and tolerance.
Your interaction with other cultures has been one of destruction and death...history is no liar.

Your sick obsession with the movie "Live and Let Die" is laughable you always post the Black murder victims of James Bond in your avatar...you loved how Bond turned Mr. Big into a Golliwog after inserting a helium pellet in his mouth....psychopathic-racism. ...Shame on you.

"Live and Let Die" was a racist book and a racist movie and I think its offensive and insensitive that you represent that trash while moderating on a Black website....do your homework.
 
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_Ozymandias_;463388 said:
so if you were a black person living in VA you wouldn't mind your kids having to go to school and sit through a month worth celebrations honoring an institution that considered you less than human?

How is that any different than pledging allegiance to the American flag everyday? lol People act like the American flag and Confederate flag are completely different constitutions. It's like Rat poison vs a Mouse Trap. Both were meant for killing rodents but one is less brutal/obvious about it than the other. We better start waking up and smelling the roses... Let them be obvious about it, that way there will be no more excuses when we point the finger, they wont be able to say shit if they make it obvious.
 
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Lol @ a slavemaster not being evil. How does own a person and making them work make you good? Because you simply don't beat on said slave doesn't make you any better then the ones who do
 
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Chike;471340 said:
How is that any different than pledging allegiance to the American flag everyday? lol People act like the American flag and Confederate flag are completely different constitutions. It's like Rat poison vs a Mouse Trap. Both were meant for killing rodents but one is less brutal/obvious about it than the other. We better start waking up and smelling the roses... Let them be obvious about it, that way there will be no more excuses when we point the finger, they wont be able to say shit if they make it obvious.

the difference is, america was not formed specifically for the right to keep slaves while the confederacy was.
 
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elhuey;471423 said:
the difference is, america was not formed specifically for the right to keep slaves while the confederacy was.
america was "formed" specifically by stealing land and exterminating the indigenous peoples who owned the land and were here first
 
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hrap-120;471749 said:
america was "formed" specifically by stealing land and exterminating the indigenous peoples who owned the land and were here first

Good point....I guess the American flag is not much better compared to the Confederate one but the Confederacy was more blatant about protecting the rights of slave states compared to the Union. I'm aware that the Union had slave states too, but at least the Union eventually decided to end slavery, the Confederacy would have slaves till this very day if it wasnt for Union troops.
 
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Chike;471340 said:
How is that any different than pledging allegiance to the American flag everyday? lol People act like the American flag and Confederate flag are completely different constitutions. It's like Rat poison vs a Mouse Trap. Both were meant for killing rodents but one is less brutal/obvious about it than the other. We better start waking up and smelling the roses... Let them be obvious about it, that way there will be no more excuses when we point the finger, they wont be able to say shit if they make it obvious.

Great post....whites have even less moral high ground with this month....it's just a shame black kids in Virginia will see crackas celebrate Confederate History Month like it's a great thing.

I can only imagine how Native Americans feel during Columbus and President's Day. On top of Thanksgiving.
 
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hrap-120;471749 said:
america was "formed" specifically by stealing land and exterminating the indigenous peoples who owned the land and were here first
touche, you're right. but i think part of the issue is that virginia governor doesnt even mention slavery in his declaration, and when first asked about it, he downplays it as not that big of deal. everyones school is different but when i learned american history, we didnt ignore the country's crimes.
 
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