Tyrant, Mephisto, Shuma, SB Prime, Dormammu,Modru, Annihilus + Wave team up and head to Marvel Earth
The Lonious Monk
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Sorry, but this is a pretty ridiculous topic. There is nothing Marvel Earth could do against those odds. Even Franklin Richards wouldn't make a difference. He's done some amazing things, but he's never managed to use his powers against beings like these and turn them away.
Annhilus and his wave alone would be overkill. It took a solar system busting temper tantrum from Galactus to do enough damage to the Annihilation Wave for the heroes to triumph.
Annhilus and his wave alone would be overkill. It took a solar system busting temper tantrum from Galactus to do enough damage to the Annihilation Wave for the heroes to triumph.
Squirrel Girl pwns all up to TOAA. Ok let's not have her in this discussion lol. Damn these mofos are heavy hitters. Since we can't use the IG or UN, other artifacts are open play. I'd say surprise attack would solo Earth in a picosec. But if Earth inhabitants had time to play with, I would say the Earth heroes and villains would eventually have to team-up. I don't think Shuma (or most of these guys) can be destroyed, just bfr'd. To be fair, Shuma has been banished by Doctor Strange or Sise-Neg before. Doctor Strange damn near stalemated an IG-equipped Adam Warlock using his talismans and artifacts. He does wonderful solo vs but he's gotta deal with Mordru, Dormmy, Shuma, and Mephisto.
You gonna need a situation with a multiversal buster like CB with Sword of Might and Amulet of Right. But that's too obscure. I think Earth heroes like Reed will call for help from likely and unlike sources like Silver Surfer (+ Big G and other heralds), Nova Corps, Eternals, Thanos, etc...so in theory if we stretch, they could have a strong countervailing force if given some time, but is it enough?
Basically Mikaboshi, the Chaos King, was just a part of Oblivion all along. Even that part managed to make Death herself flee, pwns numerous Underword and overworld pantheons and consumed something like 98% of the entire multiverse but was still stopped by a nerdy Asian kid and a perrenially underachieving demigod. Who would you guys consider the weakest link out of that
group of villains. Let's say it's full-powered Tyrant; Superboy Prime from Countdown (the version that took on Monarch); classic Mordru.
But I agree that Franklin Richards himself would not be much of a factor.
You gonna need a situation with a multiversal buster like CB with Sword of Might and Amulet of Right. But that's too obscure. I think Earth heroes like Reed will call for help from likely and unlike sources like Silver Surfer (+ Big G and other heralds), Nova Corps, Eternals, Thanos, etc...so in theory if we stretch, they could have a strong countervailing force if given some time, but is it enough?
Basically Mikaboshi, the Chaos King, was just a part of Oblivion all along. Even that part managed to make Death herself flee, pwns numerous Underword and overworld pantheons and consumed something like 98% of the entire multiverse but was still stopped by a nerdy Asian kid and a perrenially underachieving demigod. Who would you guys consider the weakest link out of that
group of villains. Let's say it's full-powered Tyrant; Superboy Prime from Countdown (the version that took on Monarch); classic Mordru.
But I agree that Franklin Richards himself would not be much of a factor.
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The Lonious Monk;4619542 said:
Annhilus and his wave alone would be overkill. It took a solar system busting temper tantrum from Galactus to do enough damage to the Annihilation Wave for the heroes to triumph.[/quote]
Franklin is more powerful than Galactus. Galactus will become his herald in the future
jaxn;4620009 said:
You talking about the recent "Mad" Celestials arc? Definitely highlighted Franklin's potential. But at the same time, his grandpa stated that they ran the fight scenario a thousand times, and Franklin still lost. It wasn't until adult Franklin got the orb from younger Franklin (which contained young Franklin's power) to resurrect Galactus, that the tides turned. That fully adult Franklin could defeat a single Celestial but not multiple ones without the Big G. Also, curious to see how Big G and Franklin would have fared if the Mad Celestials stayed in Voltron mode. I'd say that Franklin and Big G teamup would be formidable
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Grahf;4620077 said:
Right, but all older Franklin did was reverse what he done in the first place. It was older Franklin who went back in time and placed the mental blocks on younger Franklin, thus hiding his true power. He "unlocked" this mental block to fight the Celestials. Remember in the end of that book, Reed was encouraging young Franklin to fly..Franklin did't know he could do all of this because his power was blocked..but now thanks to his future self, he has his full power.
Older Franklin needed help fighting them, but in the end, it was his power alone that defeated them
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Would be interesting if Silver Surfer, Thor, or Galactus asked Scrier for help. Scrier is an uber cosmic powerhouse and recently him and Galactus and the Other had a cosmic battle that almost tore apart reality. Niggas was throwing planets at each other. Here's Silver first meeting Scrier who pwns him and offers to resurrect his home planet Zenn-La. Scrier then ends up pwning Mephisto.
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Grahf;4621912 said:Since Doctor Doom wields TWO alternate-universe Infinity Gauntlets, I wonder how long it will take to make them work across multiple realities. Knowing Doom, not too long.
I think he may have even more IGs..I need to recheck the issue, but I think Valeria somehow made it so that he had access to several alternate versions of the IG..but either way, Doom should be getting another push soon and i'm sure it'll be nice!
jaxn;4620117 said:
I would put older Franklin at Celestial level. I think if u just plop him in front of the Celestial 4th Host, he would lose badly. Also obviously some are more powerful ones like the Dreaming or Scathan. If its just Big G and Franklin alone, impressive as they are, would get run over. Galactus was getting owned by a depowered Tyrant before Morg had to save him. Surprised Disassembled Wanda wasnt mentioned more. She's a greater reality warper than Franklin.
Roma, the Omniversal guardian was going batshit cuz Wanda's Chaos Wave was threatening all of creation including Phoenix's White Hot Room and Ascension itself. Wanda's a multiversal scale reality warper.
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