Trayvon had drugs in his system and all injuries show signs of a struggle.

[VIBE]

Zimmerman had the right to stand HIS ground, but Trevon was not allowed to stand his ground and defend himself? Even though Zimmerman approached and followed Trevon AFTER the police told him to stand by?

I understand it now. If you are Black, you can't defend yourself if you feel threatened.

No one said that, TM did as he was allowed to and within that GM stood his. The courts will decide if GZ was right or not.

 

[dalyricalbandit]

young nigga was tall

 

[fiat_money]

@fiat

they didn't say that, so this would just be your opinion. you could say that's just their opinion to, but seeing as they wrote the law, their opinion would hold more weight.

Basic reasoning, based on the actual law as it is written, taken directly from the Florida Senate's government website:

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.

Unless you can prove that Zimmerman could not "reasonably believe that such force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself", then me saying the above law can apply here is correct.

If they say the law does not apply here, even though, as it is written above, the law can apply here; then there is a difference in the law as it is written and as they envision it.

If they wrote the law, and there was a difference in the law as it was written and as they envisioned it; then they mis-wrote it.

Either that, or they simply changed their minds after the fact.

 

[VIBE]

Remember the next time your in a fight and losing, just pull out your gun and kill them. It worked for zimmerman

Florida yes.

 

[VIBE]

There will be no race wars/riots as this wasn't racially motivated.

 

[VIBE]

1. False, he said fuckin' punks. YouTube it.

2. No

3. No

 

[fiat_money]

@fiat_money over/under... race wars/riots in 5 US cities when OJ Zimmson walks?

I don't think there will be any:


Maybe some protests.

 

[VIBE]

I don't care if he walks or not, GZ is a bitch for getting beat by someone a lot younger and skinnier, he's also a bitch for using a gun.

I don't get where you get I want him to be innocent. I believe he won't be found guilty, but if he is then that's cool too.

So what do you think he said now? Coons or punks?

 

[desertrain10]

She couldnt be who he was talking to that night...

Don't know, but this is the voice of the chick he was talking to:

wow, never took the time to read/listen to her testimony in its entirety...just read bits and pieces... but if this girl to be believed zimmerman was the obviously the initial aggressor....

know it still may not make a difference in the eyes of the law, unless prosecution can argue that trayvon was the one standing his ground....

 

[VIBE]

@fiat_money over/under... race wars/riots in 5 US cities when OJ Zimmson walks?

I don't think there will be any:


Maybe some protests.

At least 1 bruh...in FL

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There will be protests, if anyone's learned anything then they'll see that the '92 riots weren't worth it. They'll put themselves in a worse light than they can imagine. People don't want that, plus this case isn't that big. OJ, Rodney and Caseys cases were bigger.

 

[fiat_money]

She couldnt be who he was talking to that night...

Don't know, but this is the voice of the chick he was talking to:

wow, never took the time to read/listen to her testimony in its entirety...just read bits and pieces... but if this girl to be believed zimmerman was the obviously the initial aggressor....

know it still may not make a difference in the eyes of the law, unless prosecution can argue that trayvon was the one standing his ground....

Well her account still leaves out who confronted who and who started the fight, so i don't think it'll be very useful.

 

[d.green]

TM was tall and skinny. No wonder his nickname was "Slim".

 

[riddlerap]

here is the problem with black people in these situations. let me give an example.

when OJ got off, black people celebrated.. even though its pretty obvious he had involvement in that murder.

when Casey Anthony got off, white people were mad and thought it was unfair, as well as blacks did.

black people only "care" when it benefits their own kind, which makes all cases they "care" about seem fake/illegitimate. and then in the specific case of Travyon Martin, its clear that its fake because most of you decided based on your feelings and Travyon being black before knowing anything about the case.

 

[Rey Negro]

After paying at 7-11, Trayvon tries to shoplift some more candy, but the clerk sees him, so Trayvon walks to the back of the store and pretends to pick something up. Funny as hell. It's 0:30 to 0:53 in this video:

smh...

if the media highlighted everything i did at 17, i'd look guilty as fuck too.

stealing a $0.50 bar of candy doesn't point to a massive character flaw nor excuse what happened to him. faggot.

 

[Rey Negro]

NOT IN FUCKING FLORIDA.

in florida, it doesnt matter WHO started the fight.

if you are in a fight and you feel as if your life is threatened, you can SHOOT to kill and claim SELF-DEFENSE.

that is the law.

we all get it, he shouldnt have followed dude. CORRECT.

BUT he didnt do anything illegal or AGAINST the LAW when he disobeyed the dispatcher.

would Trayvon be alive if dude didnt follow him? yes. but thats BEYOND the point at this stage.

Zimmerman will walk on those 2nd degree murder charges.

this is the justice, according to the LAW.

Pretty hard to convince anyone you felt your life was threatened when you not only pursued an unarmed man who was considerably smaller than you, but you were also carrying a deadly weapon while you did it. IF he can prove he felt threatened is a pretty big IF. That's probably what the whole thing is going to come down to.

its pretty easy to convince a jury that Zimmerman's life was in danger considering the gashes & broken nose. add that 911 call of Zimmerman screaming for help and its a wrap. his self-defense claim will be that dude was fucking him up so he had NO choice but to fire. they say the gunshot occurred between 1-18 inches, so it was a close range shot...

see, without giving you the events that lead up to it, its pretty easy to paint a picture of a man who was defending himself from getting FURTHER fucked up.

not to mention, there are witnesses that are corroborating Zimmerman's story.

OPEN YOUR EYES, PEOPLE. This is a situation involving 2 men and 2 men only, and only 1 of them is still alive. This means, theres only 1 side of the story that can be told in court, for real. In court, its not what about whats true or false, its about what you can PROVE.

the law is FUCKED.

so Trayvon's a grown man now?

i hate this country sometimes.

 

[Purr]

So, is there anyone on the IC with a law degree or in law school that can give me better insight on this case?

 

[riddlerap]

here is the problem with black people in these situations. let me give an example.

when OJ got off, black people celebrated.. even though its pretty obvious he had involvement in that murder.

when Casey Anthony got off, white people were mad and thought it was unfair, as well as blacks did.

black people only "care" when it benefits their own kind, which makes all cases they "care" about seem fake/illegitimate. and then in the specific case of Travyon Martin, its clear that its fake because most of you decided based on your feelings and Travyon being black before knowing anything about the case.

...said the racist troll

keep dismissing facts, maybe it'll help you sleep better at night.

 

[Mr.LV]

So a 17 year old fucked up a grown ass man and had that grown ass man screaming like a bitch this story is crazy.

 

[Hyde Parke]

@fiat

they didn't say that, so this would just be your opinion. you could say that's just their opinion to, but seeing as they wrote the law, their opinion would hold more weight.

Basic reasoning, based on the actual law as it is written, taken directly from the Florida Senate's government website:

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.

Unless you can prove that Zimmerman could not "reasonably believe that such force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself", then me saying the above law can apply here is correct.

If they say the law does not apply here, even though, as it is written above, the law can apply here; then there is a difference in the law as it is written and as they envision it.

If they wrote the law, and there was a difference in the law as it was written and as they envisioned it; then they mis-wrote it.

Either that, or they simply changed their minds after the fact.

reposting the laws over and over again doesn't do much when the authors of the law already spoke their views on this case. You said maybe they miswrote the law, they don't think so, a more accurate depiction would be maybe people are misinterpreting the law. The authors said the law does not apply in this case when Zimmerman began to pursue trayvon, regardless of if you want to believe he stopped pursuing him at some point. Its irrational and illogical to think that any law would support someone using deadly force on anyone they feel is a threat to them, especially if they pursued them in the first place. I could be wrong, but the author's themselves, who wrote the law, seem to be saying the same thing about this particular case. I haven't heard them speak out on other stand your ground laws and say this, and there are a few of these cases going on in florida right now. The fact that they said something about this case, is very telling and wont look good for the defense if this is what they plan to use.

 

[riddlerap]

@riddlerap... FACTS are GZ has the criminal background, anger management and alcohol abuse issues...

u wont address that tho..

so everyone should be judged by only their negative past, oh ok. lets be rational!