Trayvon had drugs in his system and all injuries show signs of a struggle.

[Copper]

how did the fight start after zimmerman approached him is the only question that matters...who won the fight, who was smoking weed is irrelevant

Not quite. Even if Zimmerman started the fight, that alone wouldn't make his use of force unlawful.

it would be pretty hard to claim self-defense in a fight that you instigated

Not if the conditions satisfy the following:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

does any evidence exist that proves/supports that excessive force was reasonable or that zimmerman backed away from physical contact? because there is proof that he pursued wich led up to said incident. and would trayvon defense be able to claim defense (a) seeing as how he was the one approached?

If the witness accounts that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help while getting his ass beat by Treyvon are true, and if Zimmerman was the aggressor; that may satisfy the below requirement for lawful use of force by the aggressor:

the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant

And it's not publicly known who confronted who yet. However, had Treyvon been able to kill Zimmerman instead, he could also claim self-defense.

a few witnessess are claiming a few diff. things but yeah u right trayvon should have been able to claim self-defense but we all know how that would have turned out...but its all speculation about what went down

Examples of the bolded?

the news breh...the blond chick that said she saw and heard trayvon screaming for help as well as her roomate and the lil dude walking his dog..there conflicting stories is what im getting at

 

[rakim ii]

A young nigga walking around with a bag of skittles and a arizona soft drink in hand is not looking to pick a fight. Use common sense dummies.

 

[fiat_money]

how did the fight start after zimmerman approached him is the only question that matters...who won the fight, who was smoking weed is irrelevant

Not quite. Even if Zimmerman started the fight, that alone wouldn't make his use of force unlawful.

it would be pretty hard to claim self-defense in a fight that you instigated

Not if the conditions satisfy the following:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

does any evidence exist that proves/supports that excessive force was reasonable or that zimmerman backed away from physical contact? because there is proof that he pursued wich led up to said incident. and would trayvon defense be able to claim defense (a) seeing as how he was the one approached?

If the witness accounts that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help while getting his ass beat by Treyvon are true, and if Zimmerman was the aggressor; that may satisfy the below requirement for lawful use of force by the aggressor:

the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant

And it's not publicly known who confronted who yet. However, had Treyvon been able to kill Zimmerman instead, he could also claim self-defense.

a few witnessess are claiming a few diff. things but yeah u right trayvon should have been able to claim self-defense but we all know how that would have turned out...but its all speculation about what went down

Examples of the bolded?

the news breh...the blond chick that said she saw and heard trayvon screaming for help as well as her roomate and the lil dude walking his dog..there conflicting stories is what im getting at

Those two women were only "ear-witnesses" to the fight; by their own account, they didn't see Zimmerman and Treyvon till after the gunshot.

Mary Cutcher wouldn't have to speculate about who was screaming if she was an eyewitness to it:

“It sounded young. It didn’t sound like a grown man is my point. It sounded to me like someone was in distress and it wasn’t like a crying, sobbing boo-hoo, it was a definite whine."

And Austin Brown, who was the eyewitness walking the dog, says he saw a guy in a red shirt on the ground:


So there is no conflict in what was witnessed there.

 

[VIBE]

cant quote for whatever reason but anyway

@VIBE

how do you know Zimmerman didn't confront Trayvon? what are you basing that on? Zimmermans own statement? He says he lost him, a clear indication that he was pursuing him. Now why would someone being chased, armed only with skittles and a can of tea, turn around and then become the chaser? That sound like some movie type shit.

Who said his statements gave him a "killer state of mind"? reread my post, I said by his statements, one could reasonably conclude he was looking for a confrontation, which clearly one occurred as a result of Zimmerman's initial actions

They obviously ran into each other by accident, who confronted who?

He needed to find out why TM was there, this is because there was break-ins of late @ the time.

Does TM have wounds besides the gun shot?

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

WTF @ this white dude on HLN news talmbout "Treyvon was found with a cigarette lighter and $40 in his wallet. He didn't have a job, so where'd he get this cash from"?

That's some fucked up shit. A black male isn't allowed to have $40 on him w/o it being stolen/drug money?? That's a disgusting racist ass insinuation.

 

[fiat_money]

Damn, I just noticed Treyvon's girlfriend's twitter account is down.

 

[Hyde Parke]

@ VIBE

How do you know they "obviously" ran into each other by accident?

He didn't need to find out why Trayvon was there, he wasn't commiting any crime at the time.

A gunshot wound is wound enough.

 

[Copper]

how did the fight start after zimmerman approached him is the only question that matters...who won the fight, who was smoking weed is irrelevant

Not quite. Even if Zimmerman started the fight, that alone wouldn't make his use of force unlawful.

it would be pretty hard to claim self-defense in a fight that you instigated

Not if the conditions satisfy the following:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

does any evidence exist that proves/supports that excessive force was reasonable or that zimmerman backed away from physical contact? because there is proof that he pursued wich led up to said incident. and would trayvon defense be able to claim defense (a) seeing as how he was the one approached?

If the witness accounts that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help while getting his ass beat by Treyvon are true, and if Zimmerman was the aggressor; that may satisfy the below requirement for lawful use of force by the aggressor:

the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant

And it's not publicly known who confronted who yet. However, had Treyvon been able to kill Zimmerman instead, he could also claim self-defense.

a few witnessess are claiming a few diff. things but yeah u right trayvon should have been able to claim self-defense but we all know how that would have turned out...but its all speculation about what went down

Examples of the bolded?

the news breh...the blond chick that said she saw and heard trayvon screaming for help as well as her roomate and the lil dude walking his dog..there conflicting stories is what im getting at

Those two women were only "ear-witnesses" to the fight; by their own account, they didn't see Zimmerman and Treyvon till after the gunshot.

Mary Cutcher wouldn't have to speculate about who was screaming if she was an eyewitness to it:

“It sounded young. It didn’t sound like a grown man is my point. It sounded to me like someone was in distress and it wasn’t like a crying, sobbing boo-hoo, it was a definite whine."

And Austin Brown, who was the eyewitness walking the dog, says he saw a guy in a red shirt on the ground:


So there is no conflict in what was witnessed there.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ness6-20120518_1_key-witness-ground-dog-fight

another recent conflicting story about what happened that night
http://www.standard.net/stories/201...ng-stories-about-what-happened-trayvon-martin

so u saying that the stories of several witnesses arent conflicting...I can find plenty more evidence

 

[fiat_money]

^ its bigot bait

Word, if them racist crakkkaz find out his girlfriend was white, they'll probably get mad as fuck.

 

[Copper]

who that fiat?

 

[Drgoo0285]

^ its bigot bait

Word, if them racist crakkkaz find out his girlfriend was white, they'll probably get mad as fuck.

Dayyynnnngggggg....

No pedo

 

[dalyricalbandit]

^ its bigot bait

Word, if them racist crakkkaz find out his girlfriend was white, they'll probably get mad as fuck.

well well who is this

 

[fiat_money]

how did the fight start after zimmerman approached him is the only question that matters...who won the fight, who was smoking weed is irrelevant

Not quite. Even if Zimmerman started the fight, that alone wouldn't make his use of force unlawful.

it would be pretty hard to claim self-defense in a fight that you instigated

Not if the conditions satisfy the following:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

does any evidence exist that proves/supports that excessive force was reasonable or that zimmerman backed away from physical contact? because there is proof that he pursued wich led up to said incident. and would trayvon defense be able to claim defense (a) seeing as how he was the one approached?

If the witness accounts that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help while getting his ass beat by Treyvon are true, and if Zimmerman was the aggressor; that may satisfy the below requirement for lawful use of force by the aggressor:

the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant

And it's not publicly known who confronted who yet. However, had Treyvon been able to kill Zimmerman instead, he could also claim self-defense.

a few witnessess are claiming a few diff. things but yeah u right trayvon should have been able to claim self-defense but we all know how that would have turned out...but its all speculation about what went down

Examples of the bolded?

the news breh...the blond chick that said she saw and heard trayvon screaming for help as well as her roomate and the lil dude walking his dog..there conflicting stories is what im getting at

Those two women were only "ear-witnesses" to the fight; by their own account, they didn't see Zimmerman and Treyvon till after the gunshot.

Mary Cutcher wouldn't have to speculate about who was screaming if she was an eyewitness to it:

“It sounded young. It didn’t sound like a grown man is my point. It sounded to me like someone was in distress and it wasn’t like a crying, sobbing boo-hoo, it was a definite whine."

And Austin Brown, who was the eyewitness walking the dog, says he saw a guy in a red shirt on the ground:


So there is no conflict in what was witnessed there.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ness6-20120518_1_key-witness-ground-dog-fight

another recent conflicting story about what happened that night
http://www.standard.net/stories/201...ng-stories-about-what-happened-trayvon-martin

so u saying that the stories of several witnesses arent conflicting...I can find plenty more evidence

A witness saying they "don't know" who was on top or who was screaming is not a conflict with another witness saying they do know.

When I use "conflict", I'm referring to this definition:

2: to be different, opposed, or contradictory : to fail to be in agreement or accord

If I say I ate a tuna sandwich 20 minutes ago, and someone else says I (referring to me, fiat_money) had a ham sandwich 20 minutes ago; that's a conflict in accounts. But if they instead say they don't know what I ate 20 minutes ago, there is no conflict in accounts.

 

[VIBE]

@ VIBE

How do you know they "obviously" ran into each other by accident?

He didn't need to find out why Trayvon was there, he wasn't commiting any crime at the time.

A gunshot wound is wound enough.

GZ lost TM, they both ended up running into each other.

He didn't need to but he can if he wanted to, based on the recent break-ins he can do as he pleases. There shouldn't have been a fight or murder though, that I'm not condoning.

People need to stop catching feelings and look at facts. (not @you Hyde, but @everyone who's mad @ who is "supporting" GZ)

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

U niggaz are so easily impressed. That white bitch is a butta face

 

[Drgoo0285]

nothing like an attractive white female to stop a the rally of militant black men...

 

[Copper]

how did the fight start after zimmerman approached him is the only question that matters...who won the fight, who was smoking weed is irrelevant

Not quite. Even if Zimmerman started the fight, that alone wouldn't make his use of force unlawful.

it would be pretty hard to claim self-defense in a fight that you instigated

Not if the conditions satisfy the following:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

does any evidence exist that proves/supports that excessive force was reasonable or that zimmerman backed away from physical contact? because there is proof that he pursued wich led up to said incident. and would trayvon defense be able to claim defense (a) seeing as how he was the one approached?

If the witness accounts that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help while getting his ass beat by Treyvon are true, and if Zimmerman was the aggressor; that may satisfy the below requirement for lawful use of force by the aggressor:

the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant

And it's not publicly known who confronted who yet. However, had Treyvon been able to kill Zimmerman instead, he could also claim self-defense.

a few witnessess are claiming a few diff. things but yeah u right trayvon should have been able to claim self-defense but we all know how that would have turned out...but its all speculation about what went down

Examples of the bolded?

the news breh...the blond chick that said she saw and heard trayvon screaming for help as well as her roomate and the lil dude walking his dog..there conflicting stories is what im getting at

Those two women were only "ear-witnesses" to the fight; by their own account, they didn't see Zimmerman and Treyvon till after the gunshot.

Mary Cutcher wouldn't have to speculate about who was screaming if she was an eyewitness to it:

“It sounded young. It didn’t sound like a grown man is my point. It sounded to me like someone was in distress and it wasn’t like a crying, sobbing boo-hoo, it was a definite whine."

And Austin Brown, who was the eyewitness walking the dog, says he saw a guy in a red shirt on the ground:


So there is no conflict in what was witnessed there.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ness6-20120518_1_key-witness-ground-dog-fight

another recent conflicting story about what happened that night
http://www.standard.net/stories/201...ng-stories-about-what-happened-trayvon-martin

so u saying that the stories of several witnesses arent conflicting...I can find plenty more evidence

A witness saying they "don't know" who was on top or who was screaming is not a conflict with another witness saying they do know.

When I use "conflict", I'm referring to this definition:

2: to be different, opposed, or contradictory : to fail to be in agreement or accord

If I say I ate a tuna sandwich 20 minutes ago, and someone else says I (referring to me, fiat_money) had a ham sandwich 20 minutes ago; that's a conflict in accounts. But if they instead say they don't know what I ate 20 minutes ago, there is no conflict in accounts.

it is a conflict if they stated something diff. in previous interviews/questioning

and who is the chick?

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

@drgoo0285

I know right smh, shits low key pathetic

 

[In Your Moms Room]

Zimmerman gonna be convicted of man slaughter. Get a couple years.

 

[In Your Moms Room]

how did the fight start after zimmerman approached him is the only question that matters...who won the fight, who was smoking weed is irrelevant

Not quite. Even if Zimmerman started the fight, that alone wouldn't make his use of force unlawful.

it would be pretty hard to claim self-defense in a fight that you instigated

Not if the conditions satisfy the following:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

does any evidence exist that proves/supports that excessive force was reasonable or that zimmerman backed away from physical contact? because there is proof that he pursued wich led up to said incident. and would trayvon defense be able to claim defense (a) seeing as how he was the one approached?

If the witness accounts that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help while getting his ass beat by Treyvon are true, and if Zimmerman was the aggressor; that may satisfy the below requirement for lawful use of force by the aggressor:

the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant

And it's not publicly known who confronted who yet. However, had Treyvon been able to kill Zimmerman instead, he could also claim self-defense.

a few witnessess are claiming a few diff. things but yeah u right trayvon should have been able to claim self-defense but we all know how that would have turned out...but its all speculation about what went down

Examples of the bolded?

the news breh...the blond chick that said she saw and heard trayvon screaming for help as well as her roomate and the lil dude walking his dog..there conflicting stories is what im getting at

Those two women were only "ear-witnesses" to the fight; by their own account, they didn't see Zimmerman and Treyvon till after the gunshot.

Mary Cutcher wouldn't have to speculate about who was screaming if she was an eyewitness to it:

“It sounded young. It didn’t sound like a grown man is my point. It sounded to me like someone was in distress and it wasn’t like a crying, sobbing boo-hoo, it was a definite whine."

And Austin Brown, who was the eyewitness walking the dog, says he saw a guy in a red shirt on the ground:


So there is no conflict in what was witnessed there.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ness6-20120518_1_key-witness-ground-dog-fight

another recent conflicting story about what happened that night
http://www.standard.net/stories/201...ng-stories-about-what-happened-trayvon-martin

so u saying that the stories of several witnesses arent conflicting...I can find plenty more evidence

A witness saying they "don't know" who was on top or who was screaming is not a conflict with another witness saying they do know.

When I use "conflict", I'm referring to this definition:

2: to be different, opposed, or contradictory : to fail to be in agreement or accord

If I say I ate a tuna sandwich 20 minutes ago, and someone else says I (referring to me, fiat_money) had a ham sandwich 20 minutes ago; that's a conflict in accounts. But if they instead say they don't know what I ate 20 minutes ago, there is no conflict in accounts.

it is a conflict if they stated something diff. in previous interviews/questioning

and who is the chick?

You sir, have the best sig on the I.C.