Trayvon had drugs in his system and all injuries show signs of a struggle.

[edwardnigma]

Vibe is one evil motherfucka, vibe you are what we are referring to when we say white devil.

You're wicked, str8 treacherous.

Defending a man that killed an unarmed boy.

Just cause the boy is black, you think he deserved it and you have no sympathy for him.

I hope somebody does this exact same to you man. Honestly

 

[Hyde Parke]

intersting,the authors of the stand your ground law don't even support Zimmerman in this case :

Former Sen. Durell Peaden and Rep. Dennis Baxley, two of the authors of Florida's controversial "Stand Your Ground" law, are arguing that George Zimmerman, under grand jury investigation for the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, lost the right to claim self-defense the moment he began following Martin in his car, insisting that the law itself is not to blame for Martin's death.

"He has no protection under my law," Peaden told the Miami Herald.

 

[VIBE]

Vibe is one evil motherfucka, vibe you are what we are referring to when we say white devil.

You're wicked, str8 treacherous.

Defending a man that killed an unarmed boy.

Just cause the boy is black, you think he deserved it and you have no sympathy for him.

I hope somebody does this exact same to you man. Honestly

Ether. Your post is false but yeah, ether, that last line was good.

 

[Drgoo0285]

how did the fight start after zimmerman approached him is the only question that matters...who won the fight, who was smoking weed is irrelevant

Not quite. Even if Zimmerman started the fight, that alone wouldn't make his use of force unlawful.

it would be pretty hard to claim self-defense in a fight that you instigated

Asking someone what they're doing there is instigating a fight?

Following in a car and then running after the same person could be considered instigating an altercation.

 

[VIBE]

how did the fight start after zimmerman approached him is the only question that matters...who won the fight, who was smoking weed is irrelevant

Not quite. Even if Zimmerman started the fight, that alone wouldn't make his use of force unlawful.

it would be pretty hard to claim self-defense in a fight that you instigated

Asking someone what they're doing there is instigating a fight?

it led to one did it not?

We don't know what happened after, "who are you" and "what are you doing here".

Those are not "fighting words", they are questions. Who initiated the fight? GZ approach doesn't mean he started anything, if someone approaches you and asks you a question and you hit him, who started it? I'm not saying TM did because we don't know. Based on the evidence GZ got beat down though and he decided to make a mistake, which was shoot TM. TM didn't deserve to die, but it is what it is.

 

[Copper]

how did the fight start after zimmerman approached him is the only question that matters...who won the fight, who was smoking weed is irrelevant

Not quite. Even if Zimmerman started the fight, that alone wouldn't make his use of force unlawful.

it would be pretty hard to claim self-defense in a fight that you instigated

Not if the conditions satisfy the following:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

does any evidence exist that proves/supports that excessive force was reasonable or that zimmerman backed away from physical contact? because there is proof that he pursued wich led up to said incident. and would trayvon defense be able to claim defense (a) seeing as how he was the one approached?

 

[Copper]

how did the fight start after zimmerman approached him is the only question that matters...who won the fight, who was smoking weed is irrelevant

Not quite. Even if Zimmerman started the fight, that alone wouldn't make his use of force unlawful.

it would be pretty hard to claim self-defense in a fight that you instigated

Asking someone what they're doing there is instigating a fight?

depends on tone of voice, proximity, body language and if there was any physical contact

 

[Iheart~Cali]

NOT IN FUCKING FLORIDA.

in florida, it doesnt matter WHO started the fight.

if you are in a fight and you feel as if your life is threatened, you can SHOOT to kill and claim SELF-DEFENSE.

that is the law.

we all get it, he shouldnt have followed dude. CORRECT.

BUT he didnt do anything illegal or AGAINST the LAW when he disobeyed the dispatcher.

would Trayvon be alive if dude didnt follow him? yes. but thats BEYOND the point at this stage.

Zimmerman will walk on those 2nd degree murder charges.

this is the justice, according to the LAW.

Pretty hard to convince anyone you felt your life was threatened when you not only pursued an unarmed man who was considerably smaller than you, but you were also carrying a deadly weapon while you did it. IF he can prove he felt threatened is a pretty big IF. That's probably what the whole thing is going to come down to.

 

[Hyde Parke]

NOT IN FUCKING FLORIDA.

in florida, it doesnt matter WHO started the fight.

if you are in a fight and you feel as if your life is threatened, you can SHOOT to kill and claim SELF-DEFENSE.

that is the law.

we all get it, he shouldnt have followed dude. CORRECT.

BUT he didnt do anything illegal or AGAINST the LAW when he disobeyed the dispatcher.

would Trayvon be alive if dude didnt follow him? yes. but thats BEYOND the point at this stage.

Zimmerman will walk on those 2nd degree murder charges.

this is the justice, according to the LAW.

[/quote]

the same could be argued that trayvon felt threatened and he was fighting for his life(standing his ground). So how would the law work in that way?

either the law is dumb, or its being misinterpreted.

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

Police on the news now are saying Treyvons death was "ultimately avoidable".

 

[Iheart~Cali]

Also, I'm not sure about Florida law, but there are states that allow information regarding prior behavior if it relates to the current case. Zimmerman has already been arrested for domestic violence, resisting arrest, and battery of an officer. This should clearly show he has a tendency toward aggression and violence; which should make his claim about feeling threatened less credible. We all know it's bs anyway.

 

[Iheart~Cali]

I don't think it will be easy at all. Everyone is expecting him to get off because of how the Sanford police have handled it to this point. I'm not saying I believe he will be convicted, but proving he felt threatened is not going to be as simple as him opening his mouth and saying "I felt threatened".

 

[Hyde Parke]

@ vibe

we do know a fight occured, and we do know he approached trayvon asking him what he was doing there, we also know zimmermans state of mind as while he was on the phone with the 911 dispatcher, he said "these assholes!, they always get away" so its reasonable to conclude that he was looking for a confrontation when he approached trayvon

 

[VIBE]

@ vibe

we do know a fight occured, and we do know he approached trayvon asking him what he was doing there, we also know zimmermans state of mind as while he was on the phone with the 911 dispatcher, he said "these assholes!, they always get away" so its reasonable to conclude that he was looking for a confrontation when he approached trayvon

False.

1. Obviously a struggle/fight occurred.

2. GZ didn't confront TM, we don't know who found who. GZ clearly states he doesn't know where he is and that he lost him.

3. His statements don't give him a "killer state of mind"

 

[edwardnigma]

Vibe is one evil motherfucka, vibe you are what we are referring to when we say white devil.

You're wicked, str8 treacherous.

Defending a man that killed an unarmed boy.

Just cause the boy is black, you think he deserved it and you have no sympathy for him.

I hope somebody does this exact same to you man. Honestly

Ether. Your post is false but yeah, ether, that last line was good.

Whatever man, that wasn't a threat and I don't hope nothing bad happens to you but the first 3 sentences still stand. Those are facts.

 

[fiat_money]

how did the fight start after zimmerman approached him is the only question that matters...who won the fight, who was smoking weed is irrelevant

Not quite. Even if Zimmerman started the fight, that alone wouldn't make his use of force unlawful.

it would be pretty hard to claim self-defense in a fight that you instigated

Not if the conditions satisfy the following:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

does any evidence exist that proves/supports that excessive force was reasonable or that zimmerman backed away from physical contact? because there is proof that he pursued wich led up to said incident. and would trayvon defense be able to claim defense (a) seeing as how he was the one approached?

If the witness accounts that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help while getting his ass beat by Treyvon are true, and if Zimmerman was the aggressor; that may satisfy the below requirement for lawful use of force by the aggressor:

the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant

And it's not publicly known who confronted who yet. However, had Treyvon been able to kill Zimmerman instead, he could also claim self-defense.

 

[Copper]

how did the fight start after zimmerman approached him is the only question that matters...who won the fight, who was smoking weed is irrelevant

Not quite. Even if Zimmerman started the fight, that alone wouldn't make his use of force unlawful.

it would be pretty hard to claim self-defense in a fight that you instigated

Not if the conditions satisfy the following:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

does any evidence exist that proves/supports that excessive force was reasonable or that zimmerman backed away from physical contact? because there is proof that he pursued wich led up to said incident. and would trayvon defense be able to claim defense (a) seeing as how he was the one approached?

If the witness accounts that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help while getting his ass beat by Treyvon are true, and if Zimmerman was the aggressor; that may satisfy the below requirement for lawful use of force by the aggressor:

the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant

And it's not publicly known who confronted who yet. However, had Treyvon been able to kill Zimmerman instead, he could also claim self-defense.

a few witnessess are claiming a few diff. things but yeah u right trayvon should have been able to claim self-defense but we all know how that would have turned out...but its all speculation about what went down

 

[fiat_money]

how did the fight start after zimmerman approached him is the only question that matters...who won the fight, who was smoking weed is irrelevant

Not quite. Even if Zimmerman started the fight, that alone wouldn't make his use of force unlawful.

it would be pretty hard to claim self-defense in a fight that you instigated

Not if the conditions satisfy the following:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

does any evidence exist that proves/supports that excessive force was reasonable or that zimmerman backed away from physical contact? because there is proof that he pursued wich led up to said incident. and would trayvon defense be able to claim defense (a) seeing as how he was the one approached?

If the witness accounts that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help while getting his ass beat by Treyvon are true, and if Zimmerman was the aggressor; that may satisfy the below requirement for lawful use of force by the aggressor:

the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant

And it's not publicly known who confronted who yet. However, had Treyvon been able to kill Zimmerman instead, he could also claim self-defense.

a few witnessess are claiming a few diff. things but yeah u right trayvon should have been able to claim self-defense but we all know how that would have turned out...but its all speculation about what went down

Examples of the bolded?

 

[cobbland]

No matter what the laws may state, we know from historical and current examples, that they aren't applied equally.

Listing that he had weed in his system does nothing but vilify a young man and make his death seem justified. It serves no other purpose.

Oddly enough, a large number of players drafted into the NFL last month had positive marijuana tests, but those niggers will be entertaining the masses, so all is forgiven as the fans cheer them on.

I still feel for Trayvon's family.

They would have been better off taking justice into their own hands.

 

[Hyde Parke]

cant quote for whatever reason but anyway

@VIBE

how do you know Zimmerman didn't confront Trayvon? what are you basing that on? Zimmermans own statement? He says he lost him, a clear indication that he was pursuing him. Now why would someone being chased, armed only with skittles and a can of tea, turn around and then become the chaser? That sound like some movie type shit.

Who said his statements gave him a "killer state of mind"? reread my post, I said by his statements, one could reasonably conclude he was looking for a confrontation, which clearly one occurred as a result of Zimmerman's initial actions