To those who believe in a kind and merciful god....why is the world so hostile to life?

[alissowack]

Birth defects can be manufactured too. Jesus is exactly where people want him...out of their lives. People want a miracles but when Jesus exposes what is the truth about mankind through the Bible...we don't want to hear it. We want something that makes us feel good about following Jesus until we don't need him anymore.

Getting rid of the disease of the world isn't going to keep somebody from being self centered. It's not going to stop people from hating one another. And, because of sin, it is not going to make people seek God.

 

[kingblaze84]

Birth defects can be manufactured too. Jesus is exactly where people want him...out of their lives. People want a miracles but when Jesus exposes what is the truth about mankind through the Bible...we don't want to hear it. We want something that makes us feel good about following Jesus until we don't need him anymore.

Getting rid of the disease of the world isn't going to keep somebody from being self centered. It's not going to stop people from hating one another. And, because of sin, it is not going to make people seek God.

Birth defects can be manufactured, but most happen for natural reasons, parasites and viruses are other reasons among many others. Scientists have noted the human body wasn't designed very well to fight off many germs or parasites.

As far as the Bible "exposing" the truth, didn't the angel Gabriel or some other angel reveal himself to the prophet Mohammed, and state the new truth is the Koran? According to the prophet Mohammed, the Bible is an incomplete truth filled with scientific errors and lies, because the angel Gabriel came from heaven to proclaim the new, updated truth. Maybe the Bible god wanted the Bible replaced with the Koran? Any theories on why the Biblical angel Gabriel would visit Mohammed and tell him directly the Bible is an incomplete lie?

So with so much conflicting information being out there, a book being a book isn't necessarily gonna prove something to anyone. I guess Jesus has given up on humanity and is trying to convert alien species out there, cuz he seems to have abandoned Earth completely. As the other gods have.

 

[b1grobtheking]

let eddie griffin break it down yall do know life is just big big illusion right????we are already eternal

 

[kingblaze84]

let eddie griffin break it down yall do know life is just big big illusion right????we are already eternal

Nice video, I agree with most of what he said. I do believe there is or was some kind of higher designer out there. And religions can explain a lot about human kind and the world in general, but not everything as he said. It's why it's good to ask questions, even ones that probably have no universal answer at the moment.

I do have some conclusions about the world, but I'm still willing to keep my mind open (to an extent)

 

[alissowack]

Birth defects can be manufactured too. Jesus is exactly where people want him...out of their lives. People want a miracles but when Jesus exposes what is the truth about mankind through the Bible...we don't want to hear it. We want something that makes us feel good about following Jesus until we don't need him anymore.

Getting rid of the disease of the world isn't going to keep somebody from being self centered. It's not going to stop people from hating one another. And, because of sin, it is not going to make people seek God.

Birth defects can be manufactured, but most happen for natural reasons, parasites and viruses are other reasons among many others. Scientists have noted the human body wasn't designed very well to fight off many germs or parasites.

As far as the Bible "exposing" the truth, didn't the angel Gabriel or some other angel reveal himself to the prophet Mohammed, and state the new truth is the Koran? According to the prophet Mohammed, the Bible is an incomplete truth filled with scientific errors and lies, because the angel Gabriel came from heaven to proclaim the new, updated truth. Maybe the Bible god wanted the Bible replaced with the Koran? Any theories on why the Biblical angel Gabriel would visit Mohammed and tell him directly the Bible is an incomplete lie?

So with so much conflicting information being out there, a book being a book isn't necessarily gonna prove something to anyone. I guess Jesus has given up on humanity and is trying to convert alien species out there, cuz he seems to have abandoned Earth completely. As the other gods have.

Mankind poorly treated is more like it. Like I've mentioned, we've created an environment for our demise. The foods we eat are not the same as it use to be. They are more prone to kill us than keep us healthy. Medicines intended to cure one problem has multiple side effects. And I'm sure the stresses of life add to our degradation. And scientists seem to not know what stance to take on what is good for you and what is bad for you. One moment coffee or dark chocolate is good for you and another it isn't.

Maybe I should have clarified that truth that is being expose...but you already know what I'm going to post...that we are sinners in need of a savior. Islam doesn't expose anything. It just more or less says that Allah is the one true God and Mohammed is his messenger. It doesn't have anything significant to say about mankind's condition. It says we are all Muslims and that we just simply turned away. There is nothing redemptive about Islam. Anybody who is not Muslim must die according to Islam. And there is nothing that suggest that even their martyrdom will be rewarded in spite of the "virgins" Islam say awaits them in their heaven.

 

[kingblaze84]

Birth defects can be manufactured too. Jesus is exactly where people want him...out of their lives. People want a miracles but when Jesus exposes what is the truth about mankind through the Bible...we don't want to hear it. We want something that makes us feel good about following Jesus until we don't need him anymore.

Getting rid of the disease of the world isn't going to keep somebody from being self centered. It's not going to stop people from hating one another. And, because of sin, it is not going to make people seek God.

Birth defects can be manufactured, but most happen for natural reasons, parasites and viruses are other reasons among many others. Scientists have noted the human body wasn't designed very well to fight off many germs or parasites.

As far as the Bible "exposing" the truth, didn't the angel Gabriel or some other angel reveal himself to the prophet Mohammed, and state the new truth is the Koran? According to the prophet Mohammed, the Bible is an incomplete truth filled with scientific errors and lies, because the angel Gabriel came from heaven to proclaim the new, updated truth. Maybe the Bible god wanted the Bible replaced with the Koran? Any theories on why the Biblical angel Gabriel would visit Mohammed and tell him directly the Bible is an incomplete lie?

So with so much conflicting information being out there, a book being a book isn't necessarily gonna prove something to anyone. I guess Jesus has given up on humanity and is trying to convert alien species out there, cuz he seems to have abandoned Earth completely. As the other gods have.

Mankind poorly treated is more like it. Like I've mentioned, we've created an environment for our demise. The foods we eat are not the same as it use to be. They are more prone to kill us than keep us healthy. Medicines intended to cure one problem has multiple side effects. And I'm sure the stresses of life add to our degradation. And scientists seem to not know what stance to take on what is good for you and what is bad for you. One moment coffee or dark chocolate is good for you and another it isn't.

Maybe I should have clarified that truth that is being expose...but you already know what I'm going to post...that we are sinners in need of a savior. Islam doesn't expose anything. It just more or less says that Allah is the one true God and Mohammed is his messenger. It doesn't have anything significant to say about mankind's condition. It says we are all Muslims and that we just simply turned away. There is nothing redemptive about Islam. Anybody who is not Muslim must die according to Islam. And there is nothing that suggest that even their martyrdom will be rewarded in spite of the "virgins" Islam say awaits them in their heaven.

Well mankind doesn't have perfect medicines, but people are also living longer then ever too. So that means modern medicine is doing a lot of positives and people are also healthier then ever as well. The problem is that nature constantly comes up with clever ways to go around modern medicine and even parasites such as bed bugs and ticks are becoming resistant to human weapons. I do agree the stresses of modern society, especially financially, are freaking many people out. I've seen it in NYC, people as young as 20 homeless and begging for change. And I notice that savior is doing almost nothing to help solve the human and natural problems of the world.

As far as Islam, the Koran itself claims Islam is the only way to achieve purity from sin. The angel Gabriel read a series of lines to the prophet Mohammed and said Jesus is a false savior because HE did not expose the realities of sin lol.....and as of right now, Islam is still one of the fastest growing religions in the world, one billion strong and going. And Christianity is very harsh to non-believers too, those who don't believe will burn or suffer for all eternity according to the Bible. DOU says non-Christians will burn in flames in the afterlife, so isn't that pretty violent? Regardless, if the angel Gabriel came to Mohammed and told him all this stuff, then maybe the Bible god wanted an update to his religion. Other Muslim clerics have claimed the angel Garbriel vouched for Mohammed lol, so who is telling the truth?

 

[kingblaze84]

Also, the Koran does claim to expose mankind's condition. It has many laws for human behavior and claims to be able to correct them. It outlaws debt with interest for example, because it believes it is a form of financial slavery. The Koran even advises nations to stay away from debt because it leads up to war.

 

[alissowack]

Birth defects can be manufactured too. Jesus is exactly where people want him...out of their lives. People want a miracles but when Jesus exposes what is the truth about mankind through the Bible...we don't want to hear it. We want something that makes us feel good about following Jesus until we don't need him anymore.

Getting rid of the disease of the world isn't going to keep somebody from being self centered. It's not going to stop people from hating one another. And, because of sin, it is not going to make people seek God.

Birth defects can be manufactured, but most happen for natural reasons, parasites and viruses are other reasons among many others. Scientists have noted the human body wasn't designed very well to fight off many germs or parasites.

As far as the Bible "exposing" the truth, didn't the angel Gabriel or some other angel reveal himself to the prophet Mohammed, and state the new truth is the Koran? According to the prophet Mohammed, the Bible is an incomplete truth filled with scientific errors and lies, because the angel Gabriel came from heaven to proclaim the new, updated truth. Maybe the Bible god wanted the Bible replaced with the Koran? Any theories on why the Biblical angel Gabriel would visit Mohammed and tell him directly the Bible is an incomplete lie?

So with so much conflicting information being out there, a book being a book isn't necessarily gonna prove something to anyone. I guess Jesus has given up on humanity and is trying to convert alien species out there, cuz he seems to have abandoned Earth completely. As the other gods have.

Mankind poorly treated is more like it. Like I've mentioned, we've created an environment for our demise. The foods we eat are not the same as it use to be. They are more prone to kill us than keep us healthy. Medicines intended to cure one problem has multiple side effects. And I'm sure the stresses of life add to our degradation. And scientists seem to not know what stance to take on what is good for you and what is bad for you. One moment coffee or dark chocolate is good for you and another it isn't.

Maybe I should have clarified that truth that is being expose...but you already know what I'm going to post...that we are sinners in need of a savior. Islam doesn't expose anything. It just more or less says that Allah is the one true God and Mohammed is his messenger. It doesn't have anything significant to say about mankind's condition. It says we are all Muslims and that we just simply turned away. There is nothing redemptive about Islam. Anybody who is not Muslim must die according to Islam. And there is nothing that suggest that even their martyrdom will be rewarded in spite of the "virgins" Islam say awaits them in their heaven.

Well mankind doesn't have perfect medicines, but people are also living longer then ever too. So that means modern medicine is doing a lot of positives and people are also healthier then ever as well. The problem is that nature constantly comes up with clever ways to go around modern medicine and even parasites such as bed bugs and ticks are becoming resistant to human weapons. I do agree the stresses of modern society, especially financially, are freaking many people out. I've seen it in NYC, people as young as 20 homeless and begging for change. And I notice that savior is doing almost nothing to help solve the human and natural problems of the world.

As far as Islam, the Koran itself claims Islam is the only way to achieve purity from sin. The angel Gabriel read a series of lines to the prophet Mohammed and said Jesus is a false savior because HE did not expose the realities of sin lol.....and as of right now, Islam is still one of the fastest growing religions in the world, one billion strong and going. And Christianity is very harsh to non-believers too, those who don't believe will burn or suffer for all eternity according to the Bible. DOU says non-Christians will burn in flames in the afterlife, so isn't that pretty violent? Regardless, if the angel Gabriel came to Mohammed and told him all this stuff, then maybe the Bible god wanted an update to his religion. Other Muslim clerics have claimed the angel Garbriel vouched for Mohammed lol, so who is telling the truth?

Let me but a little spin on the medicine thing. What if the issue is not whether medicines can be perfected...but whether the pharmaceutical companies "want" to perfect medicines. I'm not saying all medicines are bad, but the motives behind finding cures are more profit base; just do just enough to temporarily fix the problem but not so much to stop making money. And if any amateur researcher comes across some super cure for something and tries to go public, there is a chance they will either get shutdown or killed. There was a guy who found the links and cure for autism and they slammed his claims and was said he committed suicide...and in turn raided his home. Now it happens too that "bugs" can develop resistance so I don't want to dismiss it. But it is to say we are doing this to ourselves.

It's one thing to be told what is wrong to do and the right way to do it...and another to be told you are broken and only God can fix you. Islam says it is something you can do to attain "purity". Christianity says there is nothing you can do. Islam tells you what to do for the body and does absolutely nothing about the soul...which is at the heart of our problem. Islam is "appealing" because it gives people a reason to think they can do this all by themselves. Christianity takes that away.

I believe Hell is not something that is imposed by God. Those who are in Hell choose it. Their "fire" is to continue in that choice forever apart from God. They are not stepping back and realizing they have done something wrong and should have listened...or even wanting to get out of Hell. They are caught up in this never ending cycle of repeating the same things they got away with over and over again like a machine...from bad actions to bad emotions.

If...Jesus not saving people from sin...is what people believe, God will let them have their wish.

 

[kingblaze84]

@alissowack

There could be some people who have made cures for modern world problems, and maybe pharmaceutical companies and others don't want total cures. Let's say you are correct....what about things that humans DEFINITELY can't eradicate or cure, such as parasites and natural disasters like earthquakes and extreme cold?

You have acknowledged that parasites are difficult to eradicate, mosquitoes and bedbugs have been around since the beginning of time. For nature to constantly help parasites and diseases mutate is very contrary to the god you believe in, I thought the Bible god loves humans?? It gives me the impression the god you believe in is somewhat heartless and uncaring if it knows homeless people sleep outside and yet it still allows severe cold, freezing people to death in a horrible and cruel way. Earthquakes cripple thousands of people a year and leave many children in orphanages, often in nations that don't have much funding for them because of the past natural disasters they had to deal with. Once again, no action on your messiah's part. Why the laziness, it's been 2,000 years. Why should people follow a lazy god? People aren't going to change, so there should be no hold up.

As far as Islam and the soul, it says that you have to be a Muslim to be allowed passage in heaven. So it does deal with the soul. The punishment for non-Muslim souls in the afterlife is EXTREMELY unpleasant. So according to the Biblical angel Gabriel, who switched sides to Islam, being a Christian (or non-Muslim) leads to this.....

“Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed with rods of iron.

“Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: ‘Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'” Quran 22:19-20



--So both the Koran and Bible threaten people's souls when we die. I hope you're ready for that hot water to burn your head after you die lol

 

[alissowack]

@kingblaze84

...you also have this passage from the Koran

Sura 19:71-72

There will be no one of you who will not enter it (Hell).

This was an inevitable decree of your Lord.

Afterwards he may save some of the pious, God-fearing Muslims out of the burning fire.

Again...all Islam boils down to is making a person believe there is something they can do to earn Allah's favor. Allah does not care about the soul. Everybody is going to Hell according to that passage. Even Mohammed was not sure he was going to Heaven.

If you don't believe that God has done anything through Jesus, then it doesn't matter the state of the world. The issue is spiritual.

 

[kingblaze84]

@kingblaze84

...you also have this passage from the Koran

Sura 19:71-72

There will be no one of you who will not enter it (Hell).

This was an inevitable decree of your Lord.

Afterwards he may save some of the pious, God-fearing Muslims out of the burning fire.

Again...all Islam boils down to is making a person believe there is something they can do to earn Allah's favor. Allah does not care about the soul. Everybody is going to Hell according to that passage. Even Mohammed was not sure he was going to Heaven.

If you don't believe that God has done anything through Jesus, then it doesn't matter the state of the world. The issue is spiritual.

That passage is interesting but from what I have read and studied, the Koran still says only righteous Muslims can escape the hell fire. Non-Muslims have no shot at escaping from hell, and according to Muslim scholars, the prophet Mohammed eventually went into heaven with angels by his side. I think Gabriel accompanied him up there too.

Now as far as Jesus and our spiritual salvation, it would seem more fair if Jesus had a meeting with our "souls" and to try to convince us then (since he won't bother to do so on Earth). Cuz to send people to hell for not believing kind of proves my point that the Bible god is a giant meanie.

Would you at least acknowledge that your god can appear harsh and mean to the non-religious? Maybe even sadistic, considering how cruel nature is to living things?

 

[kingblaze84]

I almost became atheist watching this video years ago.....footage of a pregnant animal being eaten alive by hyenas. Notice the hyenas literally tearing the baby fetus out of the living wildebeest!!!!!!! Also notice how the animal is eaten alive breathing as its fetus is hanging out. Nature in general is very cruel to living things, and savage behavior is the norm. The Abrahamic god makes almost zero sense after watching this video.

Warning: extremely disturbing and horrifying

 

[Plutarch]

But bruh, nature is objective. Nature isn't bad or good. It just is.

And I'd think that many theists would not compare the lives of animals to humans. And I'd think that many theists value (or should value) the afterlife much more than life on earth.

Thread title sounds like the old age question of "if God exists, then why do bad things happen?" God shouldn't be blamed for evil. Evil comes from humankind.

Imo, God has made us free beings, and freedom is double-edged sword. If God made us obedient robots, then yes, there probably wouldn't be evil, but we wouldn't be us. And if no evil existed, then what we know as good wouldn't exist or matter. You need yin to have yang, right? Binary oppositions create meaning for us.

 

[alissowack]

@kingblaze84

...you also have this passage from the Koran

Sura 19:71-72

There will be no one of you who will not enter it (Hell).

This was an inevitable decree of your Lord.

Afterwards he may save some of the pious, God-fearing Muslims out of the burning fire.

Again...all Islam boils down to is making a person believe there is something they can do to earn Allah's favor. Allah does not care about the soul. Everybody is going to Hell according to that passage. Even Mohammed was not sure he was going to Heaven.

If you don't believe that God has done anything through Jesus, then it doesn't matter the state of the world. The issue is spiritual.

That passage is interesting but from what I have read and studied, the Koran still says only righteous Muslims can escape the hell fire. Non-Muslims have no shot at escaping from hell, and according to Muslim scholars, the prophet Mohammed eventually went into heaven with angels by his side. I think Gabriel accompanied him up there too.

Now as far as Jesus and our spiritual salvation, it would seem more fair if Jesus had a meeting with our "souls" and to try to convince us then (since he won't bother to do so on Earth). Cuz to send people to hell for not believing kind of proves my point that the Bible god is a giant meanie.

Would you at least acknowledge that your god can appear harsh and mean to the non-religious? Maybe even sadistic, considering how cruel nature is to living things?

But it's either one or the other. That passage even suggests that we all have to go there so it's not like in death the Muslim get a pass.

Again...I don't believe Hell is something God imposes on mankind. We choose it ourselves. They don't see it as a "consequence" where they are. There is the impression that those in Hell are down there realizing they had made a mistake and they want out.

 

[kingblaze84]

But bruh, nature is objective. Nature isn't bad or good. It just is.

And I'd think that many theists would not compare the lives of animals to humans. And I'd think that many theists value (or should value) the afterlife much more than life on earth.

Thread title sounds like the old age question of "if God exists, then why do bad things happen?" God shouldn't be blamed for evil. Evil comes from humankind.

Imo, God has made us free beings, and freedom is double-edged sword. If God made us obedient robots, then yes, there probably wouldn't be evil, but we wouldn't be us. And if no evil existed, then what we know as good wouldn't exist or matter. You need yin to have yang, right? Binary oppositions create meaning for us.

I'm assuming you're speaking from a Christian perspective? Because I'm not even speaking of evil, I'm speaking of the world we live in being hostile to life in general, from mother nature's extremely harsh and cruel predator/prey system to natural parasites and diseases.

And I get nature is objective, but when animals cry and scream as they're being eaten alive, it means nature co-signs suffering and brutality. And if nature co-signs brutality and suffering, then what the hell kind of god made this system, assuming a being who made this system is even worthy of being called a god?? Cuz it seems more like a demon or several demons made the world the way it is lol.....

By the way, humans are not truly free beings. Not everyone has free or good choices. Some people have to choose between bad choices and more bad choices, that's not free will at all. What free will exists for a baby born paralyzed and retarded, what kind of fucking choices does that poor baby have? In my opinion, the extremely harsh nature of the world makes many people look at religion as something of a joke, and legitimizes atheism or non-belief. Your "god" has made a truly sick and twisted world, it's not clear if your god deserves the honor of being called a god.

 

[kingblaze84]

@kingblaze84

...you also have this passage from the Koran

Sura 19:71-72

There will be no one of you who will not enter it (Hell).

This was an inevitable decree of your Lord.

Afterwards he may save some of the pious, God-fearing Muslims out of the burning fire.

Again...all Islam boils down to is making a person believe there is something they can do to earn Allah's favor. Allah does not care about the soul. Everybody is going to Hell according to that passage. Even Mohammed was not sure he was going to Heaven.

If you don't believe that God has done anything through Jesus, then it doesn't matter the state of the world. The issue is spiritual.

That passage is interesting but from what I have read and studied, the Koran still says only righteous Muslims can escape the hell fire. Non-Muslims have no shot at escaping from hell, and according to Muslim scholars, the prophet Mohammed eventually went into heaven with angels by his side. I think Gabriel accompanied him up there too.

Now as far as Jesus and our spiritual salvation, it would seem more fair if Jesus had a meeting with our "souls" and to try to convince us then (since he won't bother to do so on Earth). Cuz to send people to hell for not believing kind of proves my point that the Bible god is a giant meanie.

Would you at least acknowledge that your god can appear harsh and mean to the non-religious? Maybe even sadistic, considering how cruel nature is to living things?

But it's either one or the other. That passage even suggests that we all have to go there so it's not like in death the Muslim get a pass.

Again...I don't believe Hell is something God imposes on mankind. We choose it ourselves. They don't see it as a "consequence" where they are. There is the impression that those in Hell are down there realizing they had made a mistake and they want out.

I don't think anyone CHOOSES to go to hell, who wants to burn in eternal hellfire? It's more like people need more proof before they believe. You claim those who don't believe in Jesus will go to hell, but yet a full 4 billion people in the world don't believe in Jesus!!!! 4 billion!!! 70% of the world at least.

Are you saying the Bible god is so HARSH and MEAN that it will burn the souls of 4 billion people??? Isn't that sadistic and solid proof that your god does NOT love most of humanity? Why does your god have to be so close minded, why can't it be accepting of other beliefs and philosophies, especially those that are peaceful?

If it is willing to burn the souls of 4 billion people on Earth for all of eternity, then technically, the Bible god is worse then Hitler. I say that because Hitler killed millions, but even he didn't torture billions of people.

 

[alissowack]

@kingblaze84

There is this saying that goes...if you are worshipping God for fear of Hell, you are only turning up the flames.

The issue isn't whether people are choosing to burn or stay cool. The issue is whether people choose to be tormented by their own selfishness they've created or trust God with self. The "fire" is to continue to live in our selfishness forever, unable to see that we've lived a life contrary to God's Will; to let our bad behaviors and perspectives rule us for eternity.

 

[Plutarch]

I'm assuming you're speaking from a Christian perspective? Because I'm not even speaking of evil, I'm speaking of the world we live in being hostile to life in general, from mother nature's extremely harsh and cruel predator/prey system to natural parasites and diseases.

Yes, I'm speaking from a Christian perspective. Ok, I misinterpreted you, but I got you now. But I still think that that's only a small part of nature, and even then, nature isn't being cruel - that's just a meaning we assign to it based on our moral perspectives. We also have a hand in this "cruelty" via nurture, from creating? or worsening diseases to poking holes in the Ozone layer.

And I get nature is objective, but when animals cry and scream as they're being eaten alive, it means nature co-signs suffering and brutality. And if nature co-signs brutality and suffering, then what the hell kind of god made this system, assuming a being who made this system is even worthy of being called a god?? Cuz it seems more like a demon or several demons made the world the way it is lol.....

I disagree. I don't think that's nature cosigning suffering and brutality. I think that's nature just happening. Nature doesn't care about anything of that. It just exists, and then we do what we want or need to do and deal with the consequences. With respect to your apparent atheistic or agnostic beliefs, I think that when people judge God, they're already starting off with an error. I don't think that it makes sense to judge God based on standards that humans have created and adhere to. And yes, God is merciful, but he's also wrathful (and people tend to forget that, wanting to focus only on the nice things), but how can humans judge God? It's supposed to be the other way around.

By the way, humans are not truly free beings. Not everyone has free or good choices. Some people have to choose between bad choices and more bad choices, that's not free will at all. What free will exists for a baby born paralyzed and retarded, what kind of fucking choices does that poor baby have? In my opinion, the extremely harsh nature of the world makes many people look at religion as something of a joke, and legitimizes atheism or non-belief. Your "god" has made a truly sick and twisted world, it's not clear if your god deserves the honor of being called a god.

Imo, it doesn't matter what fate hands you. You still have choices, even if those choices are not desirable. You will always have a choice. I still consider that free will. Also, religion has much to say about "harsh" realities, so I wouldn't necessarily say that the harsh natures of the world makes religion look like a joke. I personally think my God has made a beautiful world, and we have made it truly sick and twisted, but instead of taking responsibility, we blame other things like religion, money, guns, etc. After all, hubris/pride/ego is our original sin.

 

[b1grobtheking]

where is the dude do u want to go to heaven????i saw a video on abortion,i never thought about.it showed the fetus fighting and moving away from the scalpel while the doctor was trying to kill it.thats crazy and sick to do babies like that.then it said black women abort 1 million babies a year.we all have to start making better decisions in reality with my life,your life all of our lives.

 

[kingblaze84]

@kingblaze84

There is this saying that goes...if you are worshipping God for fear of Hell, you are only turning up the flames.

The issue isn't whether people are choosing to burn or stay cool. The issue is whether people choose to be tormented by their own selfishness they've created or trust God with self. The "fire" is to continue to live in our selfishness forever, unable to see that we've lived a life contrary to God's Will; to let our bad behaviors and perspectives rule us for eternity.

But why should the relationship between your god and humanity be so one-sided? You say god's will, but there are many gods. Some gods are happy with pre-marital sex and drinking crazy. Some gods want people to do whatever they want. So your god should do a better job or at least a more convincing job proving he is THE god among gods. I don't see any evidence your god is powerful anymore. Maybe at one point it was, but nowadays, it's in hiding.

It's like loving a father who was never there for you, not impossible but very difficult. In my case, it's close to impossible, as you can see lol. Like @Ether44mag said in another thread, how can I believe in something if it isn't doing anything. This is why I sometimes think if a god existed, it died of old age or some other shit.