To those who believe in a kind and merciful god....why is the world so hostile to life?

[Bodhi]

I'll give you a GOAT for your participation

 

[Bodhi]

Now, as for me......

I am going to go be creative.

 

[zzombie]

Now, as for me......

I am going to go be creative.

While you are off being creative try creating a better way to debate.

 

[kingblaze84]

his omnibenevolence is not irrelevant to the argument it is central to everything in creation and to this thread, have you looked at the thread title???

This argument >>>

And if God is omniscient,

He knew every detail of every event and every thing in the universe

Before he created it. If God is omnipotent,

He had the ability to change anything to his liking before

He created the universe.

That means, if God created the universe, he created

A universe that he wanted to create. That means that everything that

Ever happened is God's will and no one else's.

god wanted to create a universe with multiple freewill creatures therefore he allows his universe to change and allows us to reject him

if you say so

the bible says so

That's very convincing.

 

[kingblaze84]

This debate is getting boring.

Don't worry, we all saw the dodging and weaving he did. Not surprising considering where his viewpoint comes from.

 

[kingblaze84]

In Africa, many believe the gods Shakpana, Babulu Aye, or Xu created disease and parasites, especially smallpox. And the god Shango supposedly created storms.

In India, many believe the goddesses Mariammam or Shitali Devi made disease.

In Voodoo, the god Loko or Loa is responsible for healing humans. There are at least 100 different healing gods according to sociologists. False or not, there's a lot of interesting perspectives out there.

 

[zzombie]

I answered every question posed to me if you didn't understand my answer then fine but don't lie and say I didn't

 

[zzombie]

his omnibenevolence is not irrelevant to the argument it is central to everything in creation and to this thread, have you looked at the thread title???

This argument >>>

And if God is omniscient,

He knew every detail of every event and every thing in the universe

Before he created it. If God is omnipotent,

He had the ability to change anything to his liking before

He created the universe.

That means, if God created the universe, he created

A universe that he wanted to create. That means that everything that

Ever happened is God's will and no one else's.

god wanted to create a universe with multiple freewill creatures therefore he allows his universe to change and allows us to reject him

if you say so

the bible says so

That's very convincing.

Well we are talking about the bible god??? So what the bible says about God is central to the discussion

 

[zzombie]

This thread is based on a faulty premise namely that suffering equals evil.

 

[Bodhi]

This debate is getting boring.

Don't worry, we all saw the dodging and weaving he did. Not surprising considering where his viewpoint comes from.

I'm used to it.

But after a while the intellectual dishonesty

And backpedaling gets predictable

And uninteresting.

 

[zzombie]

This debate is getting boring.

Don't worry, we all saw the dodging and weaving he did. Not surprising considering where his viewpoint comes from.

I'm used to it.

But after a while the intellectual dishonesty

And backpedaling gets predictable

And uninteresting.

Lies. I dodged nothing I gave you an answer for all your questions even the ones with a faulty premise.

 

[kingblaze84]

his omnibenevolence is not irrelevant to the argument it is central to everything in creation and to this thread, have you looked at the thread title???

This argument >>>

And if God is omniscient,

He knew every detail of every event and every thing in the universe

Before he created it. If God is omnipotent,

He had the ability to change anything to his liking before

He created the universe.

That means, if God created the universe, he created

A universe that he wanted to create. That means that everything that

Ever happened is God's will and no one else's.

god wanted to create a universe with multiple freewill creatures therefore he allows his universe to change and allows us to reject him

if you say so

the bible says so

That's very convincing.

Well we are talking about the bible god??? So what the bible says about God is central to the discussion

What about all the stuff that was not included in the Bible, like Yahweh having a goddess as a wife, Asherah? And her being worshipped as a goddess for a long time, hundreds of years? She was written out of the Bible by Italian, Greek and British Christians with an agenda, and several Jews did the same for the Old Testament. The Bible leaves out a lot of scrolls and writings that indicate the Bible god was worshipped among OTHER gods for a very long time, until one cult overcame the other ones, likely through violence.
http://wifeofyahweh.com/

Most specifically, the “Asherah cult thus came to be regarded as much a feature of popular religion in ancient Israel and Judah as the worship of Yahweh.” Biblical Archaeology Review*

 

[kingblaze84]

This debate is getting boring.

Don't worry, we all saw the dodging and weaving he did. Not surprising considering where his viewpoint comes from.

I'm used to it.

But after a while the intellectual dishonesty

And backpedaling gets predictable

And uninteresting.

Their religion would possibly gain credibility if another "prophet" could make some accurate predictions about something in the future. But instead, all we get are Christian preachers who over and over again get the dates wrong on when Jesus will come back to "change" things aka burn most of humanity alive. Think of all the times a random pastor says the world will end on this or that date, and instead nothing happens.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/06/end-of-world-7-october-ebible-fellowship

Christian group predicts the world will be 'annihilated' on Wednesday



While our planet may have survived September’s “blood moon”, it will be permanently destroyed on Wednesday, 7 October, a Christian organization has warned.

 

[Bodhi]

Their religion would possibly gain credibility if another "prophet" could make some accurate predictions about something in the future. But instead, all we get are Christian preachers who over and over again get the dates wrong on when Jesus will come back to "change" things aka burn most of humanity alive.

Their religion would gain credibility

If any of its tenets made sense. In order

For that to happen, it would have to be

Completely revamped.

Also, since you brought it up,

Notice how, regardless of the time period,

Biblical prophecies are always interpreted

To fit into whatever point in history

The interpreter happens to live in.

 

[kingblaze84]

Their religion would possibly gain credibility if another "prophet" could make some accurate predictions about something in the future. But instead, all we get are Christian preachers who over and over again get the dates wrong on when Jesus will come back to "change" things aka burn most of humanity alive.

Their religion would gain credibility

If any of its tenets made sense. In order

For that to happen, it would have to be

Completely revamped.

Also, since you brought it up,

Notice how, regardless of the time period,

Biblical prophecies are always interpreted

To fit into whatever point in history

The interpreter happens to live in.

The tenets making sense would help too. For something supposedly "divinely inspired", there are a lot of holes in the story.

And that's why some of these preachers have to make stuff up as far as the 2nd coming. The year 1000 and even the year 500 was supposed to bring Jesus back. A former soldier named David Shayler (whose now a transvestite) does claim to be Jesus Christ reincarnated, and even claims to have proof on Youtube. It didn't convince me, but maybe he'll convert us all someday.

 

[kingblaze84]

Another message from the man who claims to be Jesus Christ reborn, and he's on a mission to prove himself to the world.....here he is preaching in front of a church. He claims the angel Gabriel revealed that he was the Lord in 2007. David Shayler, aka Yeshua, also claims vaccinations are bad for children, which is interesting.

The Messiah reborn at Guildford Cathedral (Part One)

 

[alissowack]

David Shayler is definitely not the Messiah. He doesn't "speak" as one who transcends this world...and I don't mean that some sparks needed to be flying when he said something. I'm mean...he was not The Word. He didn't identify himself...through his words...that he was the way, the truth, and the life.

 

[kingblaze84]

David Shayler is definitely not the Messiah. He doesn't "speak" as one who transcends this world...and I don't mean that some sparks needed to be flying when he said something. I'm mean...he was not The Word. He didn't identify himself...through his words...that he was the way, the truth, and the life.

You've opened up a HUGE can of worms here.....are you sure you want to take the bait? I'm giving you a chance to back out.

 

[alissowack]

David Shayler is definitely not the Messiah. He doesn't "speak" as one who transcends this world...and I don't mean that some sparks needed to be flying when he said something. I'm mean...he was not The Word. He didn't identify himself...through his words...that he was the way, the truth, and the life.

You've opened up a HUGE can of worms here.....are you sure you want to take the bait? I'm giving you a chance to back out.

I will accept. I saw the second vid to come to my first conclusion. Just in case I missed something...I saw the first and it confirmed my stance. He said, "don't follow me...follow the way". He's is only interested in teaching the way...not personifying it. Just about anybody can expose the corruptions of government. He's done nothing to expose the heart of man.

 

[kingblaze84]

David Shayler is definitely not the Messiah. He doesn't "speak" as one who transcends this world...and I don't mean that some sparks needed to be flying when he said something. I'm mean...he was not The Word. He didn't identify himself...through his words...that he was the way, the truth, and the life.

You've opened up a HUGE can of worms here.....are you sure you want to take the bait? I'm giving you a chance to back out.

I will accept. I saw the second vid to come to my first conclusion. Just in case I missed something...I saw the first and it confirmed my stance. He said, "don't follow me...follow the way". He's is only interested in teaching the way...not personifying it. Just about anybody can expose the corruptions of government. He's done nothing to expose the heart of man.

How would he expose the heart of man though, by criticizing things like abortion, pornography or sex outside marriage? Jesus didn't even criticize slavery.

And out of curiosity, why should David Shayler "personify" the way when Jesus didn't really personify it either? It's not like Jesus ever became an undefeated general in battle and convinced the entire world the religion of Yahweh is best. That's what the Biblical messiah was supposed to do.