To those who believe in a kind and merciful god....why is the world so hostile to life?

[zzombie]

I want to say something.

Debating belief after belief is kinda of retarded. I can't destroy your belief with another belief and convert you without doing something physical in the first place. This is why a proper conversation regarding this is out of sync.

@kingblaze84 @zzombie show some scholarship to debate and use a tangible result to prove the case and study or otherwise this is philosophy versus philosophy. Because I can take some good stuff out of the bible and use it to my benefit and I take some things from King Blaze philosophy thoughts which he gained and use to good use.

That doesn't make sense in this concept because it is a philosophical discussion.

yeah....true carry on.... @The_Jackal this debate ain't going no where and it's the same ol'e after year after year from 2013.

Let's do something different.

@Ajackson17

What happened to Sixsicksins?

hahahahaahaha lol words cannot describe the ether and humor of her I.C DEATH

 

[Bodhi]

Lol.. What happened?

Last time I was here it was all good.

 

[zzombie]

Lol.. What happened?

Last time I was here it was all good.

she leaked the threesome video of a female poster and in return the girl leaked a video in which six is caming with a white boy and feeling on her tits and playing with her pussy.

six always said she wanted all whites dead so when this came out it exposed her as a fraud, she then started talking about getting a lawyer and claimed she took that video when she was 17, then somebody else exposed her twitter page and what school she went to and all that shit. It was an epic roasting , that thread was hilarious

since then she has stopped posting

 

[Ajackson17]

Lol.. What happened?

Last time I was here it was all good.

she leaked the threesome video of a female poster and in return the girl leaked a video in which six is caming with a white boy and feeling on her tits and playing with her pussy.

six always said she wanted all whites dead so when this came out it exposed her as a fraud, she then started talking about getting a lawyer and claimed she took that video when she was 17, then somebody else exposed her twitter page and what school she went to and all that shit. It was an epic roasting , that thread was hilarious

since then she has stopped posting

I miss her sexy ass, she probably busting open for a young white male with her perm hair smfh.

 

[Bodhi]

Damn. Is the thread still around?

 

[kingblaze84]

Why would he intervene in human history, why would he limit human progress.

He's done both of these things in the bible repeatedly.

For example, Exodus and the Tower of Babel respectively.

Most Christians throughout history and even today

Believe that God intervenes in and guides human affairs at least

To some degree.

Yeah that's the funny thing, Christians love to say "god doesn't intervene", and yet the Bible god claims to have drowned the world, destroyed several cities, and even commands humans to wipe out whole towns and villages at times. And in the cases of Jesus, performing "miracles", healing leprosy and whatever else.

And the ironic thing about his post is that if the Bible is correct (which it isn't), the Bible god has already limited human progress because natural disasters like the Zika virus is wasting the potential of so many people around the world. Along with other viruses and parasites that obviously limit human progress. The life expectancy in some nations is shockingly low because of many of these things.

 

[Bodhi]

it's not that a world without evil is illogical it's a world with freewill that does not include the possibility of evil that is illogical.

How so? I mean, you tried to explain it once before but

Through moral relativism, which contradicts the

Moral absolutism of Christian theology.

The only people going to heaven which will be a world or state (whatever you want to consider it to be) that has no evi, will be people who of their own freewill reject all evil these people will be inline with the perspective/judgement of god on all matters and therefore will have no evil.

If good and evil are absolutes,

God had the choice to create a world without those things

He deems evil. Humans would retain their free will

In such a world. It would be like the biblical heaven

After God restores the world.

The possibility will exist but it will not come into being in heaven

If there's 100% certainty that

Evil will not come into being,

There is no possibility.

god is the creator of all things BUT you misunderstand christian theology, god does not create evil to begin with evil is not a "THING" IT'S just a judgement. calamity and destruction is not evil under all situations SO IF god wants destruction to fall on you that's not evil because from a christian perspective only god decides what is evil only he makes that judgement now if we are inline with god we would have his perspective and our judgement on all actions will be inline with his.

If God decides what is evil,

And God is the author of all things,

God must have created evil. Otherwise,

He isn't the creator of all things.

A thing does not have to be a physical, spacial entity.

only choosing to do good without the possibility to do evil means you don't have a freewill because you can only chose an infinite number of "goods".

If one retains their freedom of choice, they have free will.

Right now, I can only choose between an infinite number

Of possible things. Since I can't choose to do an imagined

Thing that is impossible by the nature of my "design",

According to your logic, I don't have free will.

Evil itself could have been one more out of many

Impossible things we as mortal men

Cannot do already. Why then, would we not have free will

When now it is assumed we do?

 

[kingblaze84]

@alissowack

You're just assuming I wouldn't listen to Jesus if he came back. But if he came back, made a little speech and worked enough miracles, who wouldn't be impressed?

Why would a god have a hard time convincing others of the truth? I suppose he's unable to prove himself, and that's fine. He has that right.

I'm not saying you wouldn't listen. I'm saying you won't accept what he has to say about you...which in turn you will not give your life to him.

I'm not here to try to get e-converts. My issue is...for someone who is "open" to the existence of God, you are being pretty narrow as to how God presents Himself. If God exists, then He must exist according to how "you" want Him to be...and not outside of anything that challenges your comfort zone. The fact that we Christians say that God has revealed Himself in a book bothers you. You think that God has to do something spectacular for people to follow Him when He doesn't. Jesus's storyline ought to hint to that. He wasn't born in a palace. He wasn't sitting on an earthly throne with a multitude of people bowing down at his feet. Apart from his miracles, he was ordinary. He was one of us. He was approachable; vulnerable to the foolishness of the world.

You say I am "being narrow" with how your god presents himself or should present himself. But it's not fair that Jesus performed miracles for some of his best buddies but the rest of us just gotta take his word for it.

Wasn't Thomas or one of the other apostles a doubter too? Peter as well? Jesus chose to do a magic trick or two and convinced them that he was the real deal. So it's not fair that Jesus proves some doubters wrong but other doubters just have to accept what they haven't seen for thousands of years. If David Blaine lived 2,000 years ago, maybe he also could have convinced people he was a god. After all, you are being narrow in your belief of a god too, you reject thousands of other gods right now.

Is Jesus merely defined by the miracles? Does he have anything to say about your (and my) sins? Thomas and Peter didn't come to faith because of the miracles. Their attitude was not..."Bravo!!! I'm impressed...I guess I'll follow you now". They came to faith realizing their sin and turning to Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Either way, Jesus worked the miracles in front of them and I'm sure the miracles were a huge reason for them converting. If doubting Thomas and Peter never saw the "miracles", and lived 2,000 years later in our time, they would have almost no reason to convert.

There were people in the Bible who didn't need a miracle to believe in Jesus so what about them? One "small" example is the Samaritan woman. She wasn't like "show me trick and I will follow you". Jesus didn't "magically" cause the stones to fall out of her accusers's hands. He exposed their sin and they turned away. Jesus exposed her sins and she came to faith.

...and what about Judas? According to your understanding, he should have been convinced as well. He was a disciple so he had a front row seat to it all. But he still ended up betraying Jesus and in the end, realizing he was in sin, killed himself. And I guess Jesus's Cruxificion could have been prevented if he just did a few more magic tricks in front of the Jews. The Jews had him crucified because they believe he was a blasphemer...not because they were not impressed with the show.

Miracles were a part of what Jesus did in his ministry, but he is not ultimately defined my his miracles which I hope you will see. He came to show how we are all sinners in need of a savior. If you don't embrace that, a thousand "miracles" are not going to change your mind.

Ok you have some fair points there, Jesus didn't need miracles to convince all of his followers back then. But there's a difference between being a decent guy and proving one is a god and heaven only achievable by being Christian and following the Bible's rules (that's a whole other thread, but I'm tempted to bring up some of the odd and strange rules there).

And let's say Jesus is a "savior", who is gonna save the paralyzed children suffering from the Zika virus? As if being a parent isn't tough enough, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions someday, have to deal with nature made viruses that paralyze a child and shrink their heads in the cruelest of ways? Who is gonna save the homeless people in NY and elsewhere from freezing in this cold and snow storm that is setting records? Humans are gonna keep "sinning", so what's Jesus waiting for? Too many contradictions in your narrative.

But like I've said in previous posts...the issue of sin is spiritual. If physically curing someone of disease makes them spiritually well, then I would be in your corner as to whether Jesus's Sacrifice has done anything. But freeing someone of disease or bad circumstances is not going to change them spiritually. It's like giving an addict a billion dollars. It's not going to matter it you take an addict out of a bad environment; give him or her a life of luxury if there is not going to be a spiritual change...otherwise it is only going to fuel their addiction.

Doesn't it seem impossible at this point that 100% of humanity is going to be on the same page spiritually? Some people are not spiritual at all, they are about what's on Earth and that's it. Others are spiritual without worshipping a god, and some have to be spiritual and religious or just religious.

There are so many viewpoints out there, with so many different religions that the Bible god has been unable to annihilate. So with all the competition your god has to deal with, does it really make sense for it to not really do anything? Otherwise, it may be too late for people to be on the same path spiritually.

That is the point though...that 100% of mankind are spiritual "addicts" and apart from God, we will continue to be. One group that comes close to seeing there is a spiritual element to their condition are the "Anonymous" group. They understand their inability to manage under a particular vice and look to a higher power for strength. They just are loose as to who that higher power is (mainly to avoid conflict from religious groups).

If the issue is really about which religion beats out another, then mankind is really in trouble. There is no competition. It is about what is true and what is false spiritually.

I believe in a higher power of some kind, I just wonder sometimes if that higher power is dead, has lost power, or is maybe tied up or worse by some competing powers. Maybe our god was just an advanced alien and died due to violence from another god or force. The Hindu books are filled with "gods" using nuclear weapons and violence against other higher beings.

Now as you see, there is no clear evidence which god or religion is the correct one. Or which spiritual path is the correct one. The reason for that? The gods have abandoned Earth almost completely. We can't see any of them, and religious books don't prove shit. This is why proof is needed, until then, people will have thousands and thousands of different ways of reaching happiness or spiritual fulfillment.

 

[kingblaze84]

Brazil to the world: Humans are in a losing battle against the Zika virus and the mosquito
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-26-08-21-36

RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) -- Brazil's health minister says the country will mobilize some 220,000 troops to battle the mosquito blamed for spreading a virus suspected of causing birth defects, but he also was quoted Tuesday as saying the battle already is being lost.

 

[Ajackson17]

Here is a video of Yahweh breaking down why he don't save you niggas.

 

[alissowack]

@alissowack

You're just assuming I wouldn't listen to Jesus if he came back. But if he came back, made a little speech and worked enough miracles, who wouldn't be impressed?

Why would a god have a hard time convincing others of the truth? I suppose he's unable to prove himself, and that's fine. He has that right.

I'm not saying you wouldn't listen. I'm saying you won't accept what he has to say about you...which in turn you will not give your life to him.

I'm not here to try to get e-converts. My issue is...for someone who is "open" to the existence of God, you are being pretty narrow as to how God presents Himself. If God exists, then He must exist according to how "you" want Him to be...and not outside of anything that challenges your comfort zone. The fact that we Christians say that God has revealed Himself in a book bothers you. You think that God has to do something spectacular for people to follow Him when He doesn't. Jesus's storyline ought to hint to that. He wasn't born in a palace. He wasn't sitting on an earthly throne with a multitude of people bowing down at his feet. Apart from his miracles, he was ordinary. He was one of us. He was approachable; vulnerable to the foolishness of the world.

You say I am "being narrow" with how your god presents himself or should present himself. But it's not fair that Jesus performed miracles for some of his best buddies but the rest of us just gotta take his word for it.

Wasn't Thomas or one of the other apostles a doubter too? Peter as well? Jesus chose to do a magic trick or two and convinced them that he was the real deal. So it's not fair that Jesus proves some doubters wrong but other doubters just have to accept what they haven't seen for thousands of years. If David Blaine lived 2,000 years ago, maybe he also could have convinced people he was a god. After all, you are being narrow in your belief of a god too, you reject thousands of other gods right now.

Is Jesus merely defined by the miracles? Does he have anything to say about your (and my) sins? Thomas and Peter didn't come to faith because of the miracles. Their attitude was not..."Bravo!!! I'm impressed...I guess I'll follow you now". They came to faith realizing their sin and turning to Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Either way, Jesus worked the miracles in front of them and I'm sure the miracles were a huge reason for them converting. If doubting Thomas and Peter never saw the "miracles", and lived 2,000 years later in our time, they would have almost no reason to convert.

There were people in the Bible who didn't need a miracle to believe in Jesus so what about them? One "small" example is the Samaritan woman. She wasn't like "show me trick and I will follow you". Jesus didn't "magically" cause the stones to fall out of her accusers's hands. He exposed their sin and they turned away. Jesus exposed her sins and she came to faith.

...and what about Judas? According to your understanding, he should have been convinced as well. He was a disciple so he had a front row seat to it all. But he still ended up betraying Jesus and in the end, realizing he was in sin, killed himself. And I guess Jesus's Cruxificion could have been prevented if he just did a few more magic tricks in front of the Jews. The Jews had him crucified because they believe he was a blasphemer...not because they were not impressed with the show.

Miracles were a part of what Jesus did in his ministry, but he is not ultimately defined my his miracles which I hope you will see. He came to show how we are all sinners in need of a savior. If you don't embrace that, a thousand "miracles" are not going to change your mind.

Ok you have some fair points there, Jesus didn't need miracles to convince all of his followers back then. But there's a difference between being a decent guy and proving one is a god and heaven only achievable by being Christian and following the Bible's rules (that's a whole other thread, but I'm tempted to bring up some of the odd and strange rules there).

And let's say Jesus is a "savior", who is gonna save the paralyzed children suffering from the Zika virus? As if being a parent isn't tough enough, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions someday, have to deal with nature made viruses that paralyze a child and shrink their heads in the cruelest of ways? Who is gonna save the homeless people in NY and elsewhere from freezing in this cold and snow storm that is setting records? Humans are gonna keep "sinning", so what's Jesus waiting for? Too many contradictions in your narrative.

But like I've said in previous posts...the issue of sin is spiritual. If physically curing someone of disease makes them spiritually well, then I would be in your corner as to whether Jesus's Sacrifice has done anything. But freeing someone of disease or bad circumstances is not going to change them spiritually. It's like giving an addict a billion dollars. It's not going to matter it you take an addict out of a bad environment; give him or her a life of luxury if there is not going to be a spiritual change...otherwise it is only going to fuel their addiction.

Doesn't it seem impossible at this point that 100% of humanity is going to be on the same page spiritually? Some people are not spiritual at all, they are about what's on Earth and that's it. Others are spiritual without worshipping a god, and some have to be spiritual and religious or just religious.

There are so many viewpoints out there, with so many different religions that the Bible god has been unable to annihilate. So with all the competition your god has to deal with, does it really make sense for it to not really do anything? Otherwise, it may be too late for people to be on the same path spiritually.

That is the point though...that 100% of mankind are spiritual "addicts" and apart from God, we will continue to be. One group that comes close to seeing there is a spiritual element to their condition are the "Anonymous" group. They understand their inability to manage under a particular vice and look to a higher power for strength. They just are loose as to who that higher power is (mainly to avoid conflict from religious groups).

If the issue is really about which religion beats out another, then mankind is really in trouble. There is no competition. It is about what is true and what is false spiritually.

I believe in a higher power of some kind, I just wonder sometimes if that higher power is dead, has lost power, or is maybe tied up or worse by some competing powers. Maybe our god was just an advanced alien and died due to violence from another god or force. The Hindu books are filled with "gods" using nuclear weapons and violence against other higher beings.

Now as you see, there is no clear evidence which god or religion is the correct one. Or which spiritual path is the correct one. The reason for that? The gods have abandoned Earth almost completely. We can't see any of them, and religious books don't prove shit. This is why proof is needed, until then, people will have thousands and thousands of different ways of reaching happiness or spiritual fulfillment.

It was never in my hands to begin with, but I see that this road has to end. Maybe you do need to see something "miraculous" to consider...who knows. But my hope is that you are given the insight to see past the flash on into the heart of the matter; that your confirmation leads you forward like Thomas and not away like Judas. Take care.

 

[zzombie]

Here is a video of Yahweh breaking down why he don't save you niggas.

The video is both right and wrong god has multiple plans when you pray if you pray for what you want chances are you won't get it because if could not be in his plans. if you pray for what god wants for you you will get it

Prayer exist to align yourself with the will of god not so that you can get goodies.basically god knows everything possible outcome so when we willingly do want he wants we get one of his potential intended outcome. When we don't do what he wants we also get one of his outcomes but it's not really the one he intended. We get the consequences of our freewill.

 

[zzombie]

Also prayer moving mountains is a metaphor for nation. Prayer moves nations the bible is not saying prayer literally moves mountains

 

[Ajackson17]

Also prayer moving mountains is a metaphor for nation. Prayer moves nations the bible is not saying prayer literally moves mountains

Cool, now he should have a good idea what ya'll talking about since it's visual as well and no more discussion.

 

[Ajackson17]

The tenants in Christianity are pretty easy to understand.

 

[kingblaze84]

@alissowack

The irony of what you said is that I actually have experienced miracles in my lifetime. From a near death experience to other situations. But yeah who knows, maybe a long lost god will show the rest of the world a few miracles and make my question disappear. Time will tell!

Good talking to you though, take care.

 

[zzombie]

it's not that a world without evil is illogical it's a world with freewill that does not include the possibility of evil that is illogical.

How so? I mean, you tried to explain it once before but

Through moral relativism, which contradicts the

Moral absolutism of Christian theology.

The only people going to heaven which will be a world or state (whatever you want to consider it to be) that has no evi, will be people who of their own freewill reject all evil these people will be inline with the perspective/judgement of god on all matters and therefore will have no evil.

If good and evil are absolutes,

God had the choice to create a world without those things

He deems evil. Humans would retain their free will

In such a world. It would be like the biblical heaven

After God restores the world.

The possibility will exist but it will not come into being in heaven

If there's 100% certainty that

Evil will not come into being,

There is no possibility.

god is the creator of all things BUT you misunderstand christian theology, god does not create evil to begin with evil is not a "THING" IT'S just a judgement. calamity and destruction is not evil under all situations SO IF god wants destruction to fall on you that's not evil because from a christian perspective only god decides what is evil only he makes that judgement now if we are inline with god we would have his perspective and our judgement on all actions will be inline with his.

If God decides what is evil,

And God is the author of all things,

God must have created evil. Otherwise,

He isn't the creator of all things.

A thing does not have to be a physical, spacial entity.

only choosing to do good without the possibility to do evil means you don't have a freewill because you can only chose an infinite number of "goods".

If one retains their freedom of choice, they have free will.

Right now, I can only choose between an infinite number

Of possible things. Since I can't choose to do an imagined

Thing that is impossible by the nature of my "design",

According to your logic, I don't have free will.

Evil itself could have been one more out of many

Impossible things we as mortal men

Cannot do already. Why then, would we not have free will

When now it is assumed we do?

God is the author of all things but evil is not a thing it's not something that he created because it's literally not a thing. A thing does actually have to be physical or it has to describe something physical or some substance or form of matter or some kind of action

God could have created a world without the possibility of evil but he could not have also made a world with freewill BECAUSE implicit in human freewill is the the ability to choose to do or think the opposite

those who make it to heaven we will still have freewill that will not change, there is a possibility that i can die of a heart attack by friday if i survive till sunday that does not negate the existence of the possibility of me dying on friday. I still could have died

the bold would not work because of the multiplicity of freewills, all intelligent entities have freewill including god.

if you can judge the actions of others to be good and i judge it to be evil then freewill pertaining to judgement on human actions exists. freedom of choice exists. now if god made us without this ability to judge then we would not be sentient, now to be sentient means you have the power to experience things subjectively and have the reason to make a judgement on these experiences. The ability to decide right from wrong and think about it is what makes us different from animals. If god did not give us this ability it would defeat the whole purpose for our being.

Now if god chose not to judge then that would make no sense considering that he's omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient, omnipresent and can do all things possible for him. God has to judge because of the qualities i listed it would be logically impossible for him not to judge. The only way what you propose works is if there is and can only be one judgement on any action and the bible teaches that men can judge one way and god judge another way.

IN OTHER words what you want would only work if god had not freewill or mankind was not sentient.

 

[Bodhi]

God could have created a world without the possibility of evil but he could not have also made a world with freewill BECAUSE implicit in human freewill is the the ability to choose to do or think the opposite

if you can judge the actions of others to be good and i judge it to be evil then freewill pertaining to judgement on human actions exists. freedom of choice exists. now if god made us without this ability to judge then we would not be sentient, now to be sentient means you have the power to experience things subjectively and have the reason to make a judgement on these experiences. The ability to decide right from wrong and think about it is what makes us different from animals. If god did not give us this ability it would defeat the whole purpose for our being.

The only way what you propose works is if there is and can only be one judgement on any action and the bible teaches that men can judge one way and god judge another way.

Sure, we can make our own decisions, but that doesn't mean

Our judgements are correct.

Christian theology says God decides what is right and wrong,

Not human beings. So there would ultimately be only one judgment.

We may judge something as more or less good

And relative to the situation,

But in ultimate truth, all things would be equally good in God's eyes.

In a world without evil, all things would be intrinsically good

And suffering would not exist.

Like I said,

God could have made evil impossible for us to commit,

Just as some things are already impossible for us now.

Sentience only refers to the ability to feel

And perceive. Non human animals are sentient.

there is a possibility that i can die of a heart attack by friday if i survive till sunday that does not negate the existence of the possibility of me dying on friday. I still could have died

Here, you said IF you survive.

In speaking of heaven, you said evil WILL NOT come into being.

In the former, there is uncertainty, in the latter, the is certainty.

If there is true possibility for evil to arise in heaven

After God has defeated Satan and restored the world,

Then you would say evil MAY come into being.

And if you said that, I'd have to ask you how that's even possible

Given the context.

God is the author of all things but evil is not a thing it's not something that he created because it's literally not a thing. A thing does actually have to be physical or it has to describe something physical or some substance or form of matter or some kind of action

Things like "Love" and " art" are conceptual things.

Colors and numbers are concepts.

Evil is the same. It's a thing, though. Evil can be either a noun

Or an adjective. In any case,

Either God did or did not create it.

the bold would not work because of the multiplicity of freewills, all intelligent entities have freewill including god.

There would be only one will because God is

omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient, omnipresent

And if God is omniscient,

He knew every detail of every event and every thing in the universe

Before he created it. If God is omnipotent,

He had the ability to change anything to his liking before

He created the universe.

That means, if God created the universe, he created

A universe that he wanted to create. That means that everything that

Ever happened is God's will and no one else's.

That means he willed even this conversation into being

And that everything you and I say is exactly what he wanted us to say,

Down to the last punctuation in this sentence.

 

[zzombie]

God could have created a world without the possibility of evil but he could not have also made a world with freewill BECAUSE implicit in human freewill is the the ability to choose to do or think the opposite

if you can judge the actions of others to be good and i judge it to be evil then freewill pertaining to judgement on human actions exists. freedom of choice exists. now if god made us without this ability to judge then we would not be sentient, now to be sentient means you have the power to experience things subjectively and have the reason to make a judgement on these experiences. The ability to decide right from wrong and think about it is what makes us different from animals. If god did not give us this ability it would defeat the whole purpose for our being.

The only way what you propose works is if there is and can only be one judgement on any action and the bible teaches that men can judge one way and god judge another way.

Sure, we can make our own decisions, but that doesn't mean

Our judgements are correct.

Christian theology says God decides what is right and wrong,

Not human beings. So there would ultimately be only one judgment.

We may judge something as more or less good

And relative to the situation,

But in ultimate truth, all things would be equally good in God's eyes.

In a world without evil, all things would be intrinsically good

And suffering would not exist.

Like I said,

God could have made evil impossible for us to commit,

Just as some things are already impossible for us now.

Sentience only refers to the ability to feel

And perceive. Non human animals are sentient.

there is a possibility that i can die of a heart attack by friday if i survive till sunday that does not negate the existence of the possibility of me dying on friday. I still could have died

Here, you said IF you survive.

In speaking of heaven, you said evil WILL NOT come into being.

In the former, there is uncertainty, in the latter, the is certainty.

If there is true possibility for evil to arise in heaven

After God has defeated Satan and restored the world,

Then you would say evil MAY come into being.

And if you said that, I'd have to ask you how that's even possible

Given the context.

God is the author of all things but evil is not a thing it's not something that he created because it's literally not a thing. A thing does actually have to be physical or it has to describe something physical or some substance or form of matter or some kind of action

Things like "Love" and " art" are conceptual things.

Colors and numbers are concepts.

Evil is the same. It's a thing, though. Evil can be either a noun

Or an adjective. In any case,

Either God did or did not create it.

the bold would not work because of the multiplicity of freewills, all intelligent entities have freewill including god.

There would be only one will because God is

omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient, omnipresent

And if God is omniscient,

He knew every detail of every event and every thing in the universe

Before he created it. If God is omnipotent,

He had the ability to change anything to his liking before

He created the universe.

That means, if God created the universe, he created

A universe that he wanted to create. That means that everything that

Ever happened is God's will and no one else's.

That means he willed even this conversation into being

And that everything you and I say is exactly what he wanted us to say,

Down to the last punctuation in this sentence.

CHRISTIAN theology does say god decides what is ultimately right or wrong BUT IT also says that man has freewill and his judgements are also part of creation, they are the creation of man. You cannot cherry pick which parts of christians theology you want to just to make your argument because all aspects of it work together. That includes the attributes of god, being omnipotent and also being omni-benevolent which means god would not just change reality in any matter he likes because being all good he's not going to violate the will of other freewill creatures.

god being omiscient just means he know everything or every possibility not that he prevents all possibilities from coming into reality. All gods attributes work together in a certain order starting with his all goodness

if you say that there would be only one will then that contradicts the bible because it teaches that man has his own will AND the allowance of this is a result of god's omni-benevolence. In other words WHAT I AM trying to say is that god can only do things according to his nature. God, for example cannot lie because it's literally impossible for him to do so it's not in his nature, the same way he cannot create freewill creatures without giving them power to disobey him (that disobediance is evil) If he was to do that it would violate part of his nature and his purpose for making man. since there exists more than one freewill entity EVERYTHING being good is god's eyes would also violate his omni-benevolence and would therefore be logically impossible because he has to judge it's part of his nature

Non-human animals are not sentient in the way humans are in my previous post i put Human freewill in bold for that very reason. You operate under a different concept of consists of sentience. You also say that colors and numbers are concepts we disagree colors and especially numbers have real physical substance while true concepts like love and art depend on sentient judgement.

Let me make thing clearer for you because you seem to have misunderstood me about heaven. when god restores the earth and jesus rules for 1000 years, this will be "heaven on earth" but satan would not be dead just locked away so evil in the "universe" will still exists at this time in some form but jesus will rule with and iron first.

After the great white THRONE judgement i have always understood that reality will change in some unknown way because it says both heaven and earth will pass away at this point all beats are off as far as i understand it so no one can tell you what this heaven will be like in any detail.

 

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God could have created a world without the possibility of evil but he could not have also made a world with freewill BECAUSE implicit in human freewill is the the ability to choose to do or think the opposite

if you can judge the actions of others to be good and i judge it to be evil then freewill pertaining to judgement on human actions exists. freedom of choice exists. now if god made us without this ability to judge then we would not be sentient, now to be sentient means you have the power to experience things subjectively and have the reason to make a judgement on these experiences. The ability to decide right from wrong and think about it is what makes us different from animals. If god did not give us this ability it would defeat the whole purpose for our being.

The only way what you propose works is if there is and can only be one judgement on any action and the bible teaches that men can judge one way and god judge another way.

Sure, we can make our own decisions, but that doesn't mean

Our judgements are correct.

Christian theology says God decides what is right and wrong,

Not human beings. So there would ultimately be only one judgment.

We may judge something as more or less good

And relative to the situation,

But in ultimate truth, all things would be equally good in God's eyes.

In a world without evil, all things would be intrinsically good

And suffering would not exist.

Like I said,

God could have made evil impossible for us to commit,

Just as some things are already impossible for us now.

Sentience only refers to the ability to feel

And perceive. Non human animals are sentient.

there is a possibility that i can die of a heart attack by friday if i survive till sunday that does not negate the existence of the possibility of me dying on friday. I still could have died

Here, you said IF you survive.

In speaking of heaven, you said evil WILL NOT come into being.

In the former, there is uncertainty, in the latter, the is certainty.

If there is true possibility for evil to arise in heaven

After God has defeated Satan and restored the world,

Then you would say evil MAY come into being.

And if you said that, I'd have to ask you how that's even possible

Given the context.

God is the author of all things but evil is not a thing it's not something that he created because it's literally not a thing. A thing does actually have to be physical or it has to describe something physical or some substance or form of matter or some kind of action

Things like "Love" and " art" are conceptual things.

Colors and numbers are concepts.

Evil is the same. It's a thing, though. Evil can be either a noun

Or an adjective. In any case,

Either God did or did not create it.

the bold would not work because of the multiplicity of freewills, all intelligent entities have freewill including god.

There would be only one will because God is

omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient, omnipresent

And if God is omniscient,

He knew every detail of every event and every thing in the universe

Before he created it. If God is omnipotent,

He had the ability to change anything to his liking before

He created the universe.

That means, if God created the universe, he created

A universe that he wanted to create. That means that everything that

Ever happened is God's will and no one else's.

That means he willed even this conversation into being

And that everything you and I say is exactly what he wanted us to say,

Down to the last punctuation in this sentence.

So in essence, the Bible god wants to paralyze little babies and shrink their heads on purpose with viruses. And make them retarded on top of that lol......I knew the Bible god was a sick fuck.