To those who believe in a kind and merciful god....why is the world so hostile to life?

[kingblaze84]

Lol you really don't know what the fuck you talking about. You just literally posted the same prophecies which I just literally explained to you why you are wrong. No where is it mentioned that world peace will every be obtained before the end of time. No where is it every mentioned Isreal getting along with its neighbors before the end. No where is it every mentioned that the whole world will worship one god. I don't know how a person can ALWAYS be so wrong yet full of themselves.

Come on man, seriously? I'm taking quotes directly from the Bible, the quotes that Old Testament experts have validated as true by modern day and ancient Jews. You can run, but not really hide, from the FAILURE of Jesus to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies, as modern day and ancient Jews can easily attest to. I know you have no serious rebuttal to this, it's been 2,000 damn years and I'm not impressed. If you're impressed however, great. Jews and most others aren't.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.ca/resources-info/the-jewish-messiah

The Messiah will rule at a time when all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true G-d (Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9).



There will be universal disarmament and worldwide peace with a complete end to war (Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18).

Wars have increased dramatically in the world since the start of Christianity.



The Messiah will reign as King at a time when all the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments (Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27).

--Hmm, no wonder Jews after 2,000 years still feel Jesus did not fulfill the old prophecies and promises of the real messiah. Every Orthodox Jew will agree with this, and again, Jews wrote the damn Old Testament. Lol come on brah give it up! It's over.

You're really ignorant when it comes to the bible Seriously you are and should stop talking about it. I said it in the last two post the prophices aren't fulfilled until the second coming. How hard is that for you to understand. NOT FULFILLED UNTIL THE SECOND COMING. The whole point of being a Christian is that the bibke is the only authority that matters and is canon to God's word. That is the one and only canon which is why I been saying you don't understand and don't know what the fuck you talking about at all. Post as many sources of other books from Judaism, Catholic, Orthodox, in the end the bible holds supriority over all.

I guess the Christian view will make little sense to me until the 2nd Coming. It just sounds like such a long shot thing to happen after 2,000 years, that I can't help but laugh at it. But hey, if believing this comforts you, by all means take comfort in it.

I'm more of a "seeing is believing" kind of guy. The Christian viewpoint is still an interesting one, even if I still see no evidence for it.

Lol its funny you suggest evidence and state bring a seeing is believing guy when whatever belief system or lack of belief system has as little evidence as Christianity. But stay on your high horse so full of yourself when you know as little of the universe as I know. The fundamental difference between between you and me is that I honestly keep an open mind to my faith and recognize it only as faith where you clearly and false have a sense of superiority that is misguided at best and completly ignoble at worse. I don't laugh at you that'd above me. I do pity you because of your hatred

How am I on a high horse? I simply want evidence of the Christian viewpoint, if someone is going to bring it up in response to my original question.

If someone doesn't have the evidence, that's fine. I don't pretend to have all the answers of the universe at all. It's why I asked the question to begin with but I do believe if there is a god, there are multiple ones, based on the state of the world and universe.

And I gave you the answer as to why God is merciful from a Christian viewpoint and you didn't accept the answer. So you think christian has literally zero merit but base on your one only observationof the world there is multiple gods? And yet you laugh at christians. You have literally zero evidence for your view point but demand it from others

The view of there being multiple gods out there makes more sense to me then the Christian view because it is IMPOSSIBLE for a "loving and merciful god" at the same time allowing the helpless children and families worldwide, animals and humans, to suffer in so many ways from so many natural disasters. As Albert Einstein said, if there is a god, it is likely distant and probably unaware of what much of its creation is doing or up to. Maybe not as powerful a god as some say. And again, maybe several gods are competing against each other.

I'm open to all possibilities but so far at least, there seems to be almost nothing backing up the Christian viewpoint. And that's perfectly okay. It allows me to see other viewpoints, though I still welcome any viewpoint which may be interesting.

That's a belief that you have again it's no more legit then Christianity regardless of how you personally see it. It's funny you laugh at christians and their belief and yet you have the sane unfounded, unproven belief and somehow they are more legit the Christianity.

It's honestly hilarious that yiu continue to say their is nothing backing Christianitywhen their is literally NOTHING backing your belief but your own feeling of the universe. But tell yourself whatever you want to make yourself feel smarter/more rational then you actually are.

That's because the Christian viewpoint has no evidence and frankly, I don't like lazy gods, such as the one you worship. People have to wait for the 2nd coming for proof the Christian god is real? After 2,000 years, it's obvious the Bible god either doesn't exist (likely), is lazy as fuck, or a total psychopath.

It is what it is bruh. And with the new Zika virus going around, the one that shrinks the heads of babies, giving it BRAIN DAMAGE AT BIRTH, the Bible god seems faker then the tooth fairy. Oh and by the way, the Zika virus is spread by mosquitoes, is the lazy Bible god gonna do something about it? No? Well he's a lazy fuck then. I'm better off worshipping nothing or a more impressive god.

 

[kingblaze84]

@alissowack

You're just assuming I wouldn't listen to Jesus if he came back. But if he came back, made a little speech and worked enough miracles, who wouldn't be impressed?

Why would a god have a hard time convincing others of the truth? I suppose he's unable to prove himself, and that's fine. He has that right.

 

[kingblaze84]

Lol you really don't know what the fuck you talking about. You just literally posted the same prophecies which I just literally explained to you why you are wrong. No where is it mentioned that world peace will every be obtained before the end of time. No where is it every mentioned Isreal getting along with its neighbors before the end. No where is it every mentioned that the whole world will worship one god. I don't know how a person can ALWAYS be so wrong yet full if themselves.

Pride and arrogance AKA the prime traits of satan

So the people who wrote the Old Testament were prideful and arrogant?

The people who wrote the O.T were not like you

Okay, so why do Jews 2,000 plus years later still think Jesus is not the real messiah?

I've actually told you already if you were paying attention you would have picked up on it

The jews today are the spiritual DESCENDANTS of the pharisees, the talmud and it's teachings and advice KEEPS them from seeing who christ was now as it did then.

Okay let's say you're right. Why do you think Muslims don't believe in your version of the Bible god? Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in the world, so why do you think so many around the world are rejecting Jesus as savior and rejecting the Christian view in general?

Many simply don't know it, for example the gospel cannot be preached in many Muslim nations.

Other people simply like the religion they were born into. for some people their religion is tied to their culture so they feel that leaving the religion would be like leaving their culture. You talk as if Christianity is being widely rejected but it's not, their is evidence that the church is growing in africa and Asia.

Now me personally I think it's kinda impossible to gauge the growth or reduction of any particular religion on a world wide scale.

I know people who travel and it's very clear Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in the world, and non-belief is growing very fast worldwide too. Political scientists and sociologist studies back all this up but speaking of places where the gospel cannot be preached......

Isn't that a perfect reason for your boy Jesus to come back down to Earth? Doesn't he want souls to be saved from hell, or is the laziness too strong?

 

[zzombie]

Lol you really don't know what the fuck you talking about. You just literally posted the same prophecies which I just literally explained to you why you are wrong. No where is it mentioned that world peace will every be obtained before the end of time. No where is it every mentioned Isreal getting along with its neighbors before the end. No where is it every mentioned that the whole world will worship one god. I don't know how a person can ALWAYS be so wrong yet full if themselves.

Pride and arrogance AKA the prime traits of satan

So the people who wrote the Old Testament were prideful and arrogant?

The people who wrote the O.T were not like you

Okay, so why do Jews 2,000 plus years later still think Jesus is not the real messiah?

I've actually told you already if you were paying attention you would have picked up on it

The jews today are the spiritual DESCENDANTS of the pharisees, the talmud and it's teachings and advice KEEPS them from seeing who christ was now as it did then.

Okay let's say you're right. Why do you think Muslims don't believe in your version of the Bible god? Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in the world, so why do you think so many around the world are rejecting Jesus as savior and rejecting the Christian view in general?

Many simply don't know it, for example the gospel cannot be preached in many Muslim nations.

Other people simply like the religion they were born into. for some people their religion is tied to their culture so they feel that leaving the religion would be like leaving their culture. You talk as if Christianity is being widely rejected but it's not, their is evidence that the church is growing in africa and Asia.

Now me personally I think it's kinda impossible to gauge the growth or reduction of any particular religion on a world wide scale.

I know people who travel and it's very clear Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in the world, and non-belief is growing very fast worldwide too. Political scientists and sociologist studies back all this up but speaking of places where the gospel cannot be preached......

Isn't that a perfect reason for your boy Jesus to come back down to Earth? Doesn't he want souls to be saved from hell, or is the laziness too strong?

There is no way to accurately Gage which religion is growing worldwide. I know people who travel also , I travel. But using my personal travel experience as a barometer for religious growth would be stupid. Because first of all in free societies people change their religion from time to time and in unfree societies we can never know.

God is far from lazy

 

[The_Jackal]

Lol you really don't know what the fuck you talking about. You just literally posted the same prophecies which I just literally explained to you why you are wrong. No where is it mentioned that world peace will every be obtained before the end of time. No where is it every mentioned Isreal getting along with its neighbors before the end. No where is it every mentioned that the whole world will worship one god. I don't know how a person can ALWAYS be so wrong yet full of themselves.

Come on man, seriously? I'm taking quotes directly from the Bible, the quotes that Old Testament experts have validated as true by modern day and ancient Jews. You can run, but not really hide, from the FAILURE of Jesus to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies, as modern day and ancient Jews can easily attest to. I know you have no serious rebuttal to this, it's been 2,000 damn years and I'm not impressed. If you're impressed however, great. Jews and most others aren't.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.ca/resources-info/the-jewish-messiah

The Messiah will rule at a time when all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true G-d (Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9).



There will be universal disarmament and worldwide peace with a complete end to war (Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18).

Wars have increased dramatically in the world since the start of Christianity.



The Messiah will reign as King at a time when all the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments (Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27).

--Hmm, no wonder Jews after 2,000 years still feel Jesus did not fulfill the old prophecies and promises of the real messiah. Every Orthodox Jew will agree with this, and again, Jews wrote the damn Old Testament. Lol come on brah give it up! It's over.

You're really ignorant when it comes to the bible Seriously you are and should stop talking about it. I said it in the last two post the prophices aren't fulfilled until the second coming. How hard is that for you to understand. NOT FULFILLED UNTIL THE SECOND COMING. The whole point of being a Christian is that the bibke is the only authority that matters and is canon to God's word. That is the one and only canon which is why I been saying you don't understand and don't know what the fuck you talking about at all. Post as many sources of other books from Judaism, Catholic, Orthodox, in the end the bible holds supriority over all.

I guess the Christian view will make little sense to me until the 2nd Coming. It just sounds like such a long shot thing to happen after 2,000 years, that I can't help but laugh at it. But hey, if believing this comforts you, by all means take comfort in it.

I'm more of a "seeing is believing" kind of guy. The Christian viewpoint is still an interesting one, even if I still see no evidence for it.

Lol its funny you suggest evidence and state bring a seeing is believing guy when whatever belief system or lack of belief system has as little evidence as Christianity. But stay on your high horse so full of yourself when you know as little of the universe as I know. The fundamental difference between between you and me is that I honestly keep an open mind to my faith and recognize it only as faith where you clearly and false have a sense of superiority that is misguided at best and completly ignoble at worse. I don't laugh at you that'd above me. I do pity you because of your hatred

How am I on a high horse? I simply want evidence of the Christian viewpoint, if someone is going to bring it up in response to my original question.

If someone doesn't have the evidence, that's fine. I don't pretend to have all the answers of the universe at all. It's why I asked the question to begin with but I do believe if there is a god, there are multiple ones, based on the state of the world and universe.

And I gave you the answer as to why God is merciful from a Christian viewpoint and you didn't accept the answer. So you think christian has literally zero merit but base on your one only observationof the world there is multiple gods? And yet you laugh at christians. You have literally zero evidence for your view point but demand it from others

The view of there being multiple gods out there makes more sense to me then the Christian view because it is IMPOSSIBLE for a "loving and merciful god" at the same time allowing the helpless children and families worldwide, animals and humans, to suffer in so many ways from so many natural disasters. As Albert Einstein said, if there is a god, it is likely distant and probably unaware of what much of its creation is doing or up to. Maybe not as powerful a god as some say. And again, maybe several gods are competing against each other.

I'm open to all possibilities but so far at least, there seems to be almost nothing backing up the Christian viewpoint. And that's perfectly okay. It allows me to see other viewpoints, though I still welcome any viewpoint which may be interesting.

That's a belief that you have again it's no more legit then Christianity regardless of how you personally see it. It's funny you laugh at christians and their belief and yet you have the sane unfounded, unproven belief and somehow they are more legit the Christianity.

It's honestly hilarious that yiu continue to say their is nothing backing Christianitywhen their is literally NOTHING backing your belief but your own feeling of the universe. But tell yourself whatever you want to make yourself feel smarter/more rational then you actually are.

That's because the Christian viewpoint has no evidence and frankly, I don't like lazy gods, such as the one you worship. People have to wait for the 2nd coming for proof the Christian god is real? After 2,000 years, it's obvious the Bible god either doesn't exist (likely), is lazy as fuck, or a total psychopath.

It is what it is bruh. And with the new Zika virus going around, the one that shrinks the heads of babies, giving it BRAIN DAMAGE AT BIRTH, the Bible god seems faker then the tooth fairy. Oh and by the way, the Zika virus is spread by mosquitoes, is the lazy Bible god gonna do something about it? No? Well he's a lazy fuck then. I'm better off worshipping nothing or a more impressive god.

Believe whatever you want I honestly don't give a fuck. Just don't come in here as though your belief is anymore justified then mine. It's a belief as simple as that. Don't say only the Christian viewpoint say every single view point which includes yours

 

[zzombie]

God is lazy because he doesn't do what you want him to how you want him to, Says only the prideful and arrogant. Who are you to criticize the timing and planning of almighty GOD.

This spirit comes right for Satan

 

[zzombie]

You know what @kingblaze84 when it comes to religion I'm dusting my sandals off and shaking my clothes off about you. You don't want to learn or understand the Christian perspective on anything all you really want to do is disrespect god and Christianity.

It's been a waste of time speaking to you about religion and this will be my last post to you about the subject

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Okay, so you believe in one god that is half good and half evil I guess?

One that is perfectly okay with parasites that eat children alive, many times in countries without good access to doctors or medicine? Sounds like an interesting god, and maybe that's the god we have now. But how is such a god kind or merciful at all, especially if those children are helpless against flesh eating bacteria that is very painful and aggravating for parents to see and go through? Or parasitic worms that grow out of children's limbs in many nations worldwide? Sounds like a creepy god, assuming such a being is one. But it's an interesting viewpoint.

The view there is one god that is responsible for all these natural hostilities is very disturbing to me, and why I lean against it but I respect your opinion.

Not so much a half and half god. Things that come out of god are not god itself, even if they are autonomous.

 

[kingblaze84]

Lol you really don't know what the fuck you talking about. You just literally posted the same prophecies which I just literally explained to you why you are wrong. No where is it mentioned that world peace will every be obtained before the end of time. No where is it every mentioned Isreal getting along with its neighbors before the end. No where is it every mentioned that the whole world will worship one god. I don't know how a person can ALWAYS be so wrong yet full of themselves.

Come on man, seriously? I'm taking quotes directly from the Bible, the quotes that Old Testament experts have validated as true by modern day and ancient Jews. You can run, but not really hide, from the FAILURE of Jesus to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies, as modern day and ancient Jews can easily attest to. I know you have no serious rebuttal to this, it's been 2,000 damn years and I'm not impressed. If you're impressed however, great. Jews and most others aren't.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.ca/resources-info/the-jewish-messiah

The Messiah will rule at a time when all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true G-d (Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9).



There will be universal disarmament and worldwide peace with a complete end to war (Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18).

Wars have increased dramatically in the world since the start of Christianity.



The Messiah will reign as King at a time when all the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments (Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27).

--Hmm, no wonder Jews after 2,000 years still feel Jesus did not fulfill the old prophecies and promises of the real messiah. Every Orthodox Jew will agree with this, and again, Jews wrote the damn Old Testament. Lol come on brah give it up! It's over.

You're really ignorant when it comes to the bible Seriously you are and should stop talking about it. I said it in the last two post the prophices aren't fulfilled until the second coming. How hard is that for you to understand. NOT FULFILLED UNTIL THE SECOND COMING. The whole point of being a Christian is that the bibke is the only authority that matters and is canon to God's word. That is the one and only canon which is why I been saying you don't understand and don't know what the fuck you talking about at all. Post as many sources of other books from Judaism, Catholic, Orthodox, in the end the bible holds supriority over all.

I guess the Christian view will make little sense to me until the 2nd Coming. It just sounds like such a long shot thing to happen after 2,000 years, that I can't help but laugh at it. But hey, if believing this comforts you, by all means take comfort in it.

I'm more of a "seeing is believing" kind of guy. The Christian viewpoint is still an interesting one, even if I still see no evidence for it.

Lol its funny you suggest evidence and state bring a seeing is believing guy when whatever belief system or lack of belief system has as little evidence as Christianity. But stay on your high horse so full of yourself when you know as little of the universe as I know. The fundamental difference between between you and me is that I honestly keep an open mind to my faith and recognize it only as faith where you clearly and false have a sense of superiority that is misguided at best and completly ignoble at worse. I don't laugh at you that'd above me. I do pity you because of your hatred

How am I on a high horse? I simply want evidence of the Christian viewpoint, if someone is going to bring it up in response to my original question.

If someone doesn't have the evidence, that's fine. I don't pretend to have all the answers of the universe at all. It's why I asked the question to begin with but I do believe if there is a god, there are multiple ones, based on the state of the world and universe.

And I gave you the answer as to why God is merciful from a Christian viewpoint and you didn't accept the answer. So you think christian has literally zero merit but base on your one only observationof the world there is multiple gods? And yet you laugh at christians. You have literally zero evidence for your view point but demand it from others

The view of there being multiple gods out there makes more sense to me then the Christian view because it is IMPOSSIBLE for a "loving and merciful god" at the same time allowing the helpless children and families worldwide, animals and humans, to suffer in so many ways from so many natural disasters. As Albert Einstein said, if there is a god, it is likely distant and probably unaware of what much of its creation is doing or up to. Maybe not as powerful a god as some say. And again, maybe several gods are competing against each other.

I'm open to all possibilities but so far at least, there seems to be almost nothing backing up the Christian viewpoint. And that's perfectly okay. It allows me to see other viewpoints, though I still welcome any viewpoint which may be interesting.

That's a belief that you have again it's no more legit then Christianity regardless of how you personally see it. It's funny you laugh at christians and their belief and yet you have the sane unfounded, unproven belief and somehow they are more legit the Christianity.

It's honestly hilarious that yiu continue to say their is nothing backing Christianitywhen their is literally NOTHING backing your belief but your own feeling of the universe. But tell yourself whatever you want to make yourself feel smarter/more rational then you actually are.

That's because the Christian viewpoint has no evidence and frankly, I don't like lazy gods, such as the one you worship. People have to wait for the 2nd coming for proof the Christian god is real? After 2,000 years, it's obvious the Bible god either doesn't exist (likely), is lazy as fuck, or a total psychopath.

It is what it is bruh. And with the new Zika virus going around, the one that shrinks the heads of babies, giving it BRAIN DAMAGE AT BIRTH, the Bible god seems faker then the tooth fairy. Oh and by the way, the Zika virus is spread by mosquitoes, is the lazy Bible god gonna do something about it? No? Well he's a lazy fuck then. I'm better off worshipping nothing or a more impressive god.

Believe whatever you want I honestly don't give a fuck. Just don't come in here as though your belief is anymore justified then mine. It's a belief as simple as that. Don't say only the Christian viewpoint say every single view point which includes yours

I'm agnostic as I said, so I admit to not knowing everything. But I also know what makes sense, and what doesn't sense....either way, the search for answers continues.

 

[kingblaze84]

God is lazy because he doesn't do what you want him to how you want him to, Says only the prideful and arrogant. Who are you to criticize the timing and planning of almighty GOD.

This spirit comes right for Satan

The spirit comes right for Satan?

Well considering the Bible god actively supports/engages in slavery and mass murder with atrocities, while Satan is not seen to support such things, that's probably a great thing! Down with gods who support slavery and drown the world! Fuck them lol

 

[kingblaze84]

Okay, so you believe in one god that is half good and half evil I guess?

One that is perfectly okay with parasites that eat children alive, many times in countries without good access to doctors or medicine? Sounds like an interesting god, and maybe that's the god we have now. But how is such a god kind or merciful at all, especially if those children are helpless against flesh eating bacteria that is very painful and aggravating for parents to see and go through? Or parasitic worms that grow out of children's limbs in many nations worldwide? Sounds like a creepy god, assuming such a being is one. But it's an interesting viewpoint.

The view there is one god that is responsible for all these natural hostilities is very disturbing to me, and why I lean against it but I respect your opinion.

Not so much a half and half god. Things that come out of god are not god itself, even if they are autonomous.

Things that come out of god are not god itself, or do you mean good itself? Because yeah, the Zika virus is far from good lol.....it's why I lean toward there being several forces at work, not just one "god", assuming it even deserves to be called that.

 

[The_Jackal]

Lol you really don't know what the fuck you talking about. You just literally posted the same prophecies which I just literally explained to you why you are wrong. No where is it mentioned that world peace will every be obtained before the end of time. No where is it every mentioned Isreal getting along with its neighbors before the end. No where is it every mentioned that the whole world will worship one god. I don't know how a person can ALWAYS be so wrong yet full of themselves.

Come on man, seriously? I'm taking quotes directly from the Bible, the quotes that Old Testament experts have validated as true by modern day and ancient Jews. You can run, but not really hide, from the FAILURE of Jesus to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies, as modern day and ancient Jews can easily attest to. I know you have no serious rebuttal to this, it's been 2,000 damn years and I'm not impressed. If you're impressed however, great. Jews and most others aren't.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.ca/resources-info/the-jewish-messiah

The Messiah will rule at a time when all the people of the world will come to acknowledge and serve the one true G-d (Zechariah 3:9, 8:23,14:9,16; Isaiah 45:23, 66:23; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 38:23; Psalm 86:9; Zeph. 3:9).



There will be universal disarmament and worldwide peace with a complete end to war (Micah 4:1-4; Hoseah 2:20; Isaiah 2:1-4, 60:18).

Wars have increased dramatically in the world since the start of Christianity.



The Messiah will reign as King at a time when all the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments (Ezekiel 37:24; Deut. 30:8,10; Jeremiah 31:32; Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27).

--Hmm, no wonder Jews after 2,000 years still feel Jesus did not fulfill the old prophecies and promises of the real messiah. Every Orthodox Jew will agree with this, and again, Jews wrote the damn Old Testament. Lol come on brah give it up! It's over.

You're really ignorant when it comes to the bible Seriously you are and should stop talking about it. I said it in the last two post the prophices aren't fulfilled until the second coming. How hard is that for you to understand. NOT FULFILLED UNTIL THE SECOND COMING. The whole point of being a Christian is that the bibke is the only authority that matters and is canon to God's word. That is the one and only canon which is why I been saying you don't understand and don't know what the fuck you talking about at all. Post as many sources of other books from Judaism, Catholic, Orthodox, in the end the bible holds supriority over all.

I guess the Christian view will make little sense to me until the 2nd Coming. It just sounds like such a long shot thing to happen after 2,000 years, that I can't help but laugh at it. But hey, if believing this comforts you, by all means take comfort in it.

I'm more of a "seeing is believing" kind of guy. The Christian viewpoint is still an interesting one, even if I still see no evidence for it.

Lol its funny you suggest evidence and state bring a seeing is believing guy when whatever belief system or lack of belief system has as little evidence as Christianity. But stay on your high horse so full of yourself when you know as little of the universe as I know. The fundamental difference between between you and me is that I honestly keep an open mind to my faith and recognize it only as faith where you clearly and false have a sense of superiority that is misguided at best and completly ignoble at worse. I don't laugh at you that'd above me. I do pity you because of your hatred

How am I on a high horse? I simply want evidence of the Christian viewpoint, if someone is going to bring it up in response to my original question.

If someone doesn't have the evidence, that's fine. I don't pretend to have all the answers of the universe at all. It's why I asked the question to begin with but I do believe if there is a god, there are multiple ones, based on the state of the world and universe.

And I gave you the answer as to why God is merciful from a Christian viewpoint and you didn't accept the answer. So you think christian has literally zero merit but base on your one only observationof the world there is multiple gods? And yet you laugh at christians. You have literally zero evidence for your view point but demand it from others

The view of there being multiple gods out there makes more sense to me then the Christian view because it is IMPOSSIBLE for a "loving and merciful god" at the same time allowing the helpless children and families worldwide, animals and humans, to suffer in so many ways from so many natural disasters. As Albert Einstein said, if there is a god, it is likely distant and probably unaware of what much of its creation is doing or up to. Maybe not as powerful a god as some say. And again, maybe several gods are competing against each other.

I'm open to all possibilities but so far at least, there seems to be almost nothing backing up the Christian viewpoint. And that's perfectly okay. It allows me to see other viewpoints, though I still welcome any viewpoint which may be interesting.

That's a belief that you have again it's no more legit then Christianity regardless of how you personally see it. It's funny you laugh at christians and their belief and yet you have the sane unfounded, unproven belief and somehow they are more legit the Christianity.

It's honestly hilarious that yiu continue to say their is nothing backing Christianitywhen their is literally NOTHING backing your belief but your own feeling of the universe. But tell yourself whatever you want to make yourself feel smarter/more rational then you actually are.

That's because the Christian viewpoint has no evidence and frankly, I don't like lazy gods, such as the one you worship. People have to wait for the 2nd coming for proof the Christian god is real? After 2,000 years, it's obvious the Bible god either doesn't exist (likely), is lazy as fuck, or a total psychopath.

It is what it is bruh. And with the new Zika virus going around, the one that shrinks the heads of babies, giving it BRAIN DAMAGE AT BIRTH, the Bible god seems faker then the tooth fairy. Oh and by the way, the Zika virus is spread by mosquitoes, is the lazy Bible god gonna do something about it? No? Well he's a lazy fuck then. I'm better off worshipping nothing or a more impressive god.

Believe whatever you want I honestly don't give a fuck. Just don't come in here as though your belief is anymore justified then mine. It's a belief as simple as that. Don't say only the Christian viewpoint say every single view point which includes yours

I'm agnostic as I said, so I admit to not knowing everything. But I also know what makes sense, and what doesn't sense....either way, the search for answers continues.

So believing in multiple Gods makes sense believing in one God doesnt. Lol ok keep telling yourself that what you believe in is rational

 

[alissowack]

@alissowack

You're just assuming I wouldn't listen to Jesus if he came back. But if he came back, made a little speech and worked enough miracles, who wouldn't be impressed?

Why would a god have a hard time convincing others of the truth? I suppose he's unable to prove himself, and that's fine. He has that right.

I'm not saying you wouldn't listen. I'm saying you won't accept what he has to say about you...which in turn you will not give your life to him.

I'm not here to try to get e-converts. My issue is...for someone who is "open" to the existence of God, you are being pretty narrow as to how God presents Himself. If God exists, then He must exist according to how "you" want Him to be...and not outside of anything that challenges your comfort zone. The fact that we Christians say that God has revealed Himself in a book bothers you. You think that God has to do something spectacular for people to follow Him when He doesn't. Jesus's storyline ought to hint to that. He wasn't born in a palace. He wasn't sitting on an earthly throne with a multitude of people bowing down at his feet. Apart from his miracles, he was ordinary. He was one of us. He was approachable; vulnerable to the foolishness of the world.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Okay, so you believe in one god that is half good and half evil I guess?

One that is perfectly okay with parasites that eat children alive, many times in countries without good access to doctors or medicine? Sounds like an interesting god, and maybe that's the god we have now. But how is such a god kind or merciful at all, especially if those children are helpless against flesh eating bacteria that is very painful and aggravating for parents to see and go through? Or parasitic worms that grow out of children's limbs in many nations worldwide? Sounds like a creepy god, assuming such a being is one. But it's an interesting viewpoint.

The view there is one god that is responsible for all these natural hostilities is very disturbing to me, and why I lean against it but I respect your opinion.

Not so much a half and half god. Things that come out of god are not god itself, even if they are autonomous.

Things that come out of god are not god itself, or do you mean good itself? Because yeah, the Zika virus is far from good lol.....it's why I lean toward there being several forces at work, not just one "god", assuming it even deserves to be called that.

No I mean god itself. I lean towards I don't know wtf I'm talking about because how could I possibly? It's no fun when everything is what we say it is because we say it is.

 

[MARIO_DRO]

Sin

I thought you said Jesus forgave and died for our sins? Are you trying to say him dying for our sins didn't make a difference in the long term?

JUST CAUSE UR FORGIVEN FOR SOMETHING DOESNT MEAN U STILL WONT GET PUNISHED!

YEAH U SAID SORRY FOR BREAKING YOUR MOMS FLOWER POT AND SHE FORGAVE U, BUT U STILL GOT A WHIPPEN

 

[kingblaze84]

@The_Jackal

If there is one god, why is so much of the world in constant competition with each other? Why would one god create a world in which so many different animals, bacteria and others are constantly eating each other alive and doing worse to each other? If there is one god that made all this intentionally, then it seems a little weird in the head and not worthy of being called a god. More like a weird, anti social force of some kind.

Things are getting so bad with the Zika virus that in El Salvador, public officials are telling women there to not get pregnant for two years.....you believe one god created such a hostile world, with bacteria shrinking children's heads and giving them brain damage? And killing the baby in painful ways? Then that "one god" is a cruel monster. It actually makes sense IF THERE IS a god that there are multiple ones, some that have negative energies and some with positive ones. I don't see the sense in one "god" making a world so hostile and cruel to living things. If there truly is one god though, I don't think it's worthy of being called a god, based on the natural hostilities of the world. Not man made ones, NATURAL ones.

 

[kingblaze84]

Sin

I thought you said Jesus forgave and died for our sins? Are you trying to say him dying for our sins didn't make a difference in the long term?

JUST CAUSE UR FORGIVEN FOR SOMETHING DOESNT MEAN U STILL WONT GET PUNISHED!

YEAH U SAID SORRY FOR BREAKING YOUR MOMS FLOWER POT AND SHE FORGAVE U, BUT U STILL GOT A WHIPPEN

Oh give me a damn break man. I understand if my mom gave me a whupping, but giving my great grandchildren a virus that's gonna shrink a baby's head and make it brain damaged for the rest of its life? That's sick and twisted man, that means your kind of god has a grudge that is unending and ridiculous.

Would you pour flesh eating bacteria on a little baby because your baby dropped some apple juice?

 

[kingblaze84]

Look at how ridiculous mother nature is lately...........
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c2dadc-c11f-11e5-98c8-7fab78677d51_story.html

MEXICO CITY — The rapid spread of the Zika virus has prompted Latin American governments to urge women not to get pregnant for up to two years, an extraordinary precaution aimed at avoiding birth defects believed to be linked to the mosquito-borne illness.

What until recently was a seemingly routine public health problem for countries that are home to a certain type of mosquito has morphed into a potentially culture-shaping phenomenon in which the populations of several nations have been asked to delay procreation. The World Health Organization says at least 20 countries or territories in the region, including Barbados and Bolivia, Guadeloupe and Guatemala, Puerto Rico and Panama, have registered transmission of the virus.



--Smh at the hatred nature is showing us lately. Maybe Earth is trying to send us a message?

 

[kingblaze84]

Okay, so you believe in one god that is half good and half evil I guess?

One that is perfectly okay with parasites that eat children alive, many times in countries without good access to doctors or medicine? Sounds like an interesting god, and maybe that's the god we have now. But how is such a god kind or merciful at all, especially if those children are helpless against flesh eating bacteria that is very painful and aggravating for parents to see and go through? Or parasitic worms that grow out of children's limbs in many nations worldwide? Sounds like a creepy god, assuming such a being is one. But it's an interesting viewpoint.

The view there is one god that is responsible for all these natural hostilities is very disturbing to me, and why I lean against it but I respect your opinion.

Not so much a half and half god. Things that come out of god are not god itself, even if they are autonomous.

Things that come out of god are not god itself, or do you mean good itself? Because yeah, the Zika virus is far from good lol.....it's why I lean toward there being several forces at work, not just one "god", assuming it even deserves to be called that.

No I mean god itself. I lean towards I don't know wtf I'm talking about because how could I possibly? It's no fun when everything is what we say it is because we say it is.

Yeah, it's all beliefs and thoughts in the end. For all we know, maybe god has gotten tired of us, and just wants to kill us off already, just like the dinosaurs got killed off.

Maybe roaches are the new chosen ones. They say roaches are the only ones who would survive a nuclear explosion, so maybe our god or the gods have special plans for them. Who really knows.

 

[kingblaze84]

@alissowack

You're just assuming I wouldn't listen to Jesus if he came back. But if he came back, made a little speech and worked enough miracles, who wouldn't be impressed?

Why would a god have a hard time convincing others of the truth? I suppose he's unable to prove himself, and that's fine. He has that right.

I'm not saying you wouldn't listen. I'm saying you won't accept what he has to say about you...which in turn you will not give your life to him.

I'm not here to try to get e-converts. My issue is...for someone who is "open" to the existence of God, you are being pretty narrow as to how God presents Himself. If God exists, then He must exist according to how "you" want Him to be...and not outside of anything that challenges your comfort zone. The fact that we Christians say that God has revealed Himself in a book bothers you. You think that God has to do something spectacular for people to follow Him when He doesn't. Jesus's storyline ought to hint to that. He wasn't born in a palace. He wasn't sitting on an earthly throne with a multitude of people bowing down at his feet. Apart from his miracles, he was ordinary. He was one of us. He was approachable; vulnerable to the foolishness of the world.

You say I am "being narrow" with how your god presents himself or should present himself. But it's not fair that Jesus performed miracles for some of his best buddies but the rest of us just gotta take his word for it.

Wasn't Thomas or one of the other apostles a doubter too? Peter as well? Jesus chose to do a magic trick or two and convinced them that he was the real deal. So it's not fair that Jesus proves some doubters wrong but other doubters just have to accept what they haven't seen for thousands of years. If David Blaine lived 2,000 years ago, maybe he also could have convinced people he was a god. After all, you are being narrow in your belief of a god too, you reject thousands of other gods right now.