To those who believe in a kind and merciful god....why is the world so hostile to life?

[alissowack]

Like DoU said...sin.

God wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think God needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and kill.

 

[kingblaze84]

To those who say nature isn't hostile to life..........Google how many diseases there are and how many earthquakes have affected the world. Also research how many lives volcanoes have taken throughout the years. Notice how natural these things are in the world.

How does that make it hostile? By saying it is your saying nature is in essence opposed to or is antagonistic to life? How does that even make any sense? Especially if you are going to go the route of volcanoes and regions with exterme weather which existed before life.

Let's go back to my original thread question: to those who believe there is a MERCIFUL god, how come the world is so HOSTILE to life? I'm not saying nature made tornadoes and disease for the single purpose of ruining people.

What I am saying, or asking, is HOW can there be a "merciful" or loving god out there if so much of the world is outright hostile to people and other animals. Because the evidence of there being such a god is not very high, based on the extremely high amount of diseases and natural disasters that make the lives of many beings, animals and humans, miserable. Let's be real, a person dealing with a parasitic worm growing out of his or her arm isn't exactly a welcoming experience.

 

[kingblaze84]

Like DoU said...sin.

God wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think God needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and kill.

This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible god never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?

And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.

 

[The_Jackal]

I don't understand how you went to a Catholic school but you honestly know and understand so little of the bible. So I'll help you out. First let's rephrase your question and get a little philosophical is the world and nature truly hostile to life? No of course not nature and Earth neither approve or are hostile towards humans and animals. So what then does it come down to? Man. Why is man in a constant conflict with each other and why does the God of the bible not interfere and correct the horrible path of destruction man is going down? The fundamental and only answer is free will.

Let's think about it and not to judge you but when you were thinking of this thread of God lacking mercy did you stop to think of your own action. You could have brought them to your home, you could have gave them money to go to a shelter, you could have went home git old coats you had and gave them it but most likely you didn't. Nothing wrong with it you don't know them if they were dangerous or not maybe you were in a date with ol girl and didn't have the money and decided to be on your way. What you and others who think like this suggest is that God directly influences are life and there by taking away are own ability to chose are action which negates truly being just or unjust in society eyes

I stopped taking the Bible seriously in my sophomore year of Catholic high school lol, so the idea of original sin doesn't make sense to me. Didn't your god know ahead of time humans would sin?

You can't say man is responsible for all the world's problems, there are many problems in the world that have nothing to do with man, disease, birth defects (most of whom don't have a known cause), hostile parasites that hurt many around the world, droughts, earthquakes, etc. These are things man hasn't created, and of course you can't explain that away.

And why is man in constant conflict with others? The biggest reasons are greed, resources and religion ironically. And as far as free will, we don't have total free will over our lives, some people have much worse choices compared to others. Think of someone born retarded or mentally slow, how many options does that person have in much of the world compared to many others? Their choices are limited and many times desperate.

To your first paragraph like I said you have so little understanding and knowledge of the bible that you don't understand because you refuse to.

I didn't say they were responsible for all I said just that it ultimately comes down to man. I said nature and Earth just are they don't approve or disapprove they just happen it's not hostile or friendly in anyway.

Again try to shape it as much as you want and list as many reasons no matter how correct and incorrect your are it's still man. As far as you trying to pass off free will because of mentally retardation or financial difficulties it doesn't change the fact. At anytime at any mintue anyone can do anything they want wither it positively or negatively affect their life. It's as simple as that to say otherwise is to denounce all freewill

When you keep blaming man for the natural problems of the world, such as cancer, extreme cold, disease and earthquakes, are you speaking of original sin? Because that's a terrible excuse for the world being hostile to life, especially if the god you believe in made humans faulty to begin with. Wouldn't a "merciful" god completely forgive humans for original sin? Earth is very hostile to life, 99% of life that has ever existed has gone extinct.

And free will is an illusion because once again, not all choices are equal. Some people have the choice of making good choices and bad choices, while others have the choice between bad choices and more bad choices. Someone born in a nation that doesn't have health services or clean drinking water isn't gonna have the same choices in life as someone whose parents are well off and live in a stable environment.

I'm not blaming men I'm refuting your claim of nature being hostile. Diseases, exterme weather are not evil nor or they hostile. Nature cannot be hostile towards man. Diseases cannot be hostile towards men. At most they are indifferent which is why the whole premise of nature being hostile is wrong.

Free Will

The ability to act at one's own discretion.

No matter what choice is put in front of it you ultimately decided how to proceed. This isn't a debate about the difference of choices or they kind of choices that different people are given just that ultimately human can make there own choice and do whatever they want to in their life. At any time in anybody life you cam choice to leave your country, to abandon your family, to start a new life, to murder or rob or be a upstanding citizen. This is undeniably and you should take a good hard look at yourself if you think otherwise

You have GOT to be kidding me, diseases and extreme weather are not hostile to life????? So when diseases and tsunamis attack and ruin a person's body, causing suffering, that's not a hostile act??

Trying to survive and sleep in the freezing cold or rain isn't hostile on the body?? Come on man. I'm not saying mother nature is PURPOSELY trying to wipe out all life on Earth, but it damn well isn't welcoming to most of it either.

If I rented a home to someone and purposely put land mines and trap floors in it, people would say I'm being hostile to my tenant. Let's be real here.

What your saying now is completly different from what you said earlier

First you said why is the world and nature so hostile

I said it's not it's indifferent to everything on the planet.

Now your saying why is nature so hostile to our bodies. You always have to move the goalposts smh.

But to counter this majority of animals survive in exterme conditions and men have and continue to live in exterme conditions. Man continues to live longer and longer with the advancement of medicine to the point it might become a determinate. So how exactly is the world this dark merciless place you imagine it as

 

[zzombie]

There are literally hundreds maybe thousands of books by theologians who have answered this question already, Who have explained what the bible says is the answer to this question....Who have given great analysis on this topic

The earth is marred the whole of existence has been altered from what god originally intended. Therefore suffering exists among man and in nature.

The Bible doesn't give a good answer to my question though. It gives horrible and contradictory ones. On one hand, Jesus "forgave" our sins but on the other hand, humans and others still suffer from what Adam and Eve did. Either your god forgave the sins or he didn't. If your Bible god is real, it would have made a clean slate after Jesus supposedly "died for our sins". In reality, nothing changed after his death, and it's why I can't take the Bible answers seriously, too many contradictions.

If my son breaks the tv I can forgive him but the tv is still broken. Christ opened a door to save your soul but your ass is still here it's not until he returns that the world will be different.

 

[kingblaze84]

I don't understand how you went to a Catholic school but you honestly know and understand so little of the bible. So I'll help you out. First let's rephrase your question and get a little philosophical is the world and nature truly hostile to life? No of course not nature and Earth neither approve or are hostile towards humans and animals. So what then does it come down to? Man. Why is man in a constant conflict with each other and why does the God of the bible not interfere and correct the horrible path of destruction man is going down? The fundamental and only answer is free will.

Let's think about it and not to judge you but when you were thinking of this thread of God lacking mercy did you stop to think of your own action. You could have brought them to your home, you could have gave them money to go to a shelter, you could have went home git old coats you had and gave them it but most likely you didn't. Nothing wrong with it you don't know them if they were dangerous or not maybe you were in a date with ol girl and didn't have the money and decided to be on your way. What you and others who think like this suggest is that God directly influences are life and there by taking away are own ability to chose are action which negates truly being just or unjust in society eyes

I stopped taking the Bible seriously in my sophomore year of Catholic high school lol, so the idea of original sin doesn't make sense to me. Didn't your god know ahead of time humans would sin?

You can't say man is responsible for all the world's problems, there are many problems in the world that have nothing to do with man, disease, birth defects (most of whom don't have a known cause), hostile parasites that hurt many around the world, droughts, earthquakes, etc. These are things man hasn't created, and of course you can't explain that away.

And why is man in constant conflict with others? The biggest reasons are greed, resources and religion ironically. And as far as free will, we don't have total free will over our lives, some people have much worse choices compared to others. Think of someone born retarded or mentally slow, how many options does that person have in much of the world compared to many others? Their choices are limited and many times desperate.

To your first paragraph like I said you have so little understanding and knowledge of the bible that you don't understand because you refuse to.

I didn't say they were responsible for all I said just that it ultimately comes down to man. I said nature and Earth just are they don't approve or disapprove they just happen it's not hostile or friendly in anyway.

Again try to shape it as much as you want and list as many reasons no matter how correct and incorrect your are it's still man. As far as you trying to pass off free will because of mentally retardation or financial difficulties it doesn't change the fact. At anytime at any mintue anyone can do anything they want wither it positively or negatively affect their life. It's as simple as that to say otherwise is to denounce all freewill

When you keep blaming man for the natural problems of the world, such as cancer, extreme cold, disease and earthquakes, are you speaking of original sin? Because that's a terrible excuse for the world being hostile to life, especially if the god you believe in made humans faulty to begin with. Wouldn't a "merciful" god completely forgive humans for original sin? Earth is very hostile to life, 99% of life that has ever existed has gone extinct.

And free will is an illusion because once again, not all choices are equal. Some people have the choice of making good choices and bad choices, while others have the choice between bad choices and more bad choices. Someone born in a nation that doesn't have health services or clean drinking water isn't gonna have the same choices in life as someone whose parents are well off and live in a stable environment.

I'm not blaming men I'm refuting your claim of nature being hostile. Diseases, exterme weather are not evil nor or they hostile. Nature cannot be hostile towards man. Diseases cannot be hostile towards men. At most they are indifferent which is why the whole premise of nature being hostile is wrong.

Free Will

The ability to act at one's own discretion.

No matter what choice is put in front of it you ultimately decided how to proceed. This isn't a debate about the difference of choices or they kind of choices that different people are given just that ultimately human can make there own choice and do whatever they want to in their life. At any time in anybody life you cam choice to leave your country, to abandon your family, to start a new life, to murder or rob or be a upstanding citizen. This is undeniably and you should take a good hard look at yourself if you think otherwise

You have GOT to be kidding me, diseases and extreme weather are not hostile to life????? So when diseases and tsunamis attack and ruin a person's body, causing suffering, that's not a hostile act??

Trying to survive and sleep in the freezing cold or rain isn't hostile on the body?? Come on man. I'm not saying mother nature is PURPOSELY trying to wipe out all life on Earth, but it damn well isn't welcoming to most of it either.

If I rented a home to someone and purposely put land mines and trap floors in it, people would say I'm being hostile to my tenant. Let's be real here.

What your saying now is completly different from what you said earlier

First you said why is the world and nature so hostile

I said it's not it's indifferent to everything on the planet.

Now your saying why is nature so hostile to our bodies. You always have to move the goalposts smh.

But to counter this majority of animals survive in exterme conditions and men have and continue to live in exterme conditions. Man continues to live longer and longer with the advancement of medicine to the point it might become a determinate. So how exactly is the world this dark merciless place you imagine it as

Many animals and humans do survive in extreme conditions, but it's often not a very pleasant life for things that live in those conditions. Penguins have tough lives, dealing not only with cold water that freezes their young to death many times, but also dealing with so many parasites that live and thrive in the water.

Yes many people are living longer then ever before, but many people are STILL living very brutal lives because of the harsh conditions of the planet, extreme heat which causes droughts and starvation for example. Look at all the people worldwide who don't have enough water to drink, because of nature putting forth droughts that wipe out many animals and humans all the time.

 

[kingblaze84]

There are literally hundreds maybe thousands of books by theologians who have answered this question already, Who have explained what the bible says is the answer to this question....Who have given great analysis on this topic

The earth is marred the whole of existence has been altered from what god originally intended. Therefore suffering exists among man and in nature.

The Bible doesn't give a good answer to my question though. It gives horrible and contradictory ones. On one hand, Jesus "forgave" our sins but on the other hand, humans and others still suffer from what Adam and Eve did. Either your god forgave the sins or he didn't. If your Bible god is real, it would have made a clean slate after Jesus supposedly "died for our sins". In reality, nothing changed after his death, and it's why I can't take the Bible answers seriously, too many contradictions.

If my son breaks the tv I can forgive him but the tv is still broken. Christ opened a door to save your soul but your ass is still here it's not until he returns that the world will be different.

LMAO!!! So the Bible god holds grudges for thousands and thousands of years?? Would you punish your son's great great grandchildren because your son fucked up a TV set?

The Bible example is probably worse because Adam and Eve didn't even break anything, they ate a fucking apple. The example you gave shows just how harsh and unforgiving the Bible god is. After thousands and thousands of years, the mufucka can't forgive a few naked people eating a damn apple? SMH, that makes the Bible god sound petty and silly.

 

[zzombie]

environment seems hostile to man because the nature of reality has changed

this whole argument is self centered and prideful because it come down to a belief that because the world does not work the way I want it to then there must be a problem with god. there is death and there is suffering built into the current reality why should there not be???

 

[zzombie]

There are literally hundreds maybe thousands of books by theologians who have answered this question already, Who have explained what the bible says is the answer to this question....Who have given great analysis on this topic

The earth is marred the whole of existence has been altered from what god originally intended. Therefore suffering exists among man and in nature.

The Bible doesn't give a good answer to my question though. It gives horrible and contradictory ones. On one hand, Jesus "forgave" our sins but on the other hand, humans and others still suffer from what Adam and Eve did. Either your god forgave the sins or he didn't. If your Bible god is real, it would have made a clean slate after Jesus supposedly "died for our sins". In reality, nothing changed after his death, and it's why I can't take the Bible answers seriously, too many contradictions.

If my son breaks the tv I can forgive him but the tv is still broken. Christ opened a door to save your soul but your ass is still here it's not until he returns that the world will be different.

LMAO!!! So the Bible god holds grudges for thousands and thousands of years?? Would you punish your son's grandchildren because your son fucked up a TV set?

The Bible example is probably worse because Adam and Eve didn't even break anything, they ate a fucking apple. The example you gave shows just how harsh and unforgiving the Bible god is. After thousands and thousands of years, the mufucka can't forgive a few naked people eating a damn apple? SMH, that makes the Bible god sound petty and silly.

he is not holding a grudge but " we" through our sins have marred his perfect creation but he loves us enough to provide a saving mechanism and still allows us to stay in a world that's livable. however we have already marred reality. God is not a genie he's not going to come down and easily fix everything after we have already messed things up.

the story is allegory it wasn't an actual apple.

 

[kingblaze84]

environment seems hostile to man because the nature of reality has changed

this whole argument is self centered and prideful because it come down to a belief that because the world does not work the way I want it to then there must be a problem with god. there is death and there is suffering built into the current reality why should there not be???

The environment doesn't "seem" hostile, it IS hostile. Go hang outside Times Square in 5 degree weather outside and tell me how nice that feels. Go back in time, tell your parents to reject all the vaccinations they helped give you, and tell me how pleasant the environment would feel to you then.

And it's not that there is a problem with god, hey, maybe the being or beings that created this world MEANT for it to be hostile to animals and others. But it goes to show Neil Tyson and others that if there IS a creator, it probably is not a loving or merciful one. If our creator is merciful, then I simply don't see the evidence or proof that it is. And people for obvious reasons don't like death or suffering, don't be silly.

 

[zzombie]

environment seems hostile to man because the nature of reality has changed

this whole argument is self centered and prideful because it come down to a belief that because the world does not work the way I want it to then there must be a problem with god. there is death and there is suffering built into the current reality why should there not be???

The environment doesn't "seem" hostile, it IS hostile. Go hang outside Times Square in 5 degree weather outside and tell me how nice that feels. Go back in time, tell your parents to reject all the vaccinations they helped give you, and tell me how pleasant the environment would feel to you then.

And it's not that there is a problem with god, hey, maybe the being or beings that created this world MEANT for it to be hostile to animals and others. But it goes to show Neil Tyson and others that if there IS a creator, it probably is not a loving or merciful one. If our creator is merciful, then I simply don't see the evidence or proof that it is. And people for obvious reasons don't like death or suffering, don't be silly.

you are the silly one because honestly death in a sinful world is a mercy would you rather live a in prison forever knowing that you are immortal??? if god did not allow mortal death we would all live forever in what would basically be hell.

god in his mercy give mankind the brains needed to survive every environment on this ruined earth.

Without a certain amount of suffering would we fight to make this world better??? probably not

 

[kingblaze84]

Is the world and nature truly hostile to life? No of course not nature and Earth neither approve or are hostile towards humans and animals.

This statement is non-sense. Over 99% off all the species to ever exist on this earth are now extinct. The rapid an unexpected climatic changes on earth contributes significantly.

So what then does it come down to? Man. Why is man in a constant conflict with each other and why does the God of the bible not interfere and correct the horrible path of destruction man is going down? The fundamental and only answer is free will.

God either intervenes or he doesn't. I think all of the monotheistic holy books make the case that he does interfer to a great extent. He even takes sides in wars.

Let's think about it and not to judge you but when you were thinking of this thread of God lacking mercy did you stop to think of your own action. You could have brought them to your home, you could have gave them money to go to a shelter, you could have went home git old coats you had and gave them it but most likely you didn't. Nothing wrong with it you don't know them if they were dangerous or not maybe you were in a date with ol girl and didn't have the money and decided to be on your way. What you and others who think like this suggest is that God directly influences are life and there by taking away are own ability to chose are action which negates truly being just or unjust in society eyes

There's some truth to this. We can't rely on a silent God to answer our prayers. We have to help each other out.

To the first statement isn't nonsense at all especially in the way he phrased the question. Like I said Earth and nature just is. Nature doesn't conspire against anyway so how could it fundamentally be hostile? I never said that creatures haven't been killed just that nature in itself isn't hostile. Better way to state it is that nature and the world is completly indifferent to every creature on it.

To the second part read the bible. He intervenes very little. I'm personal am a deist. He created the world to delivar his message and left us to our own devices.

And as far as Blaze goes I don't get why he pretends to be open about the possibility of a God or atleast God of the bible existing. It's very clearly he refuses to learn and has general scorn towards the whole religion.

I think you're mischaracterizing his question. You're responding as if he asked "is nature evil." or "does nature intend to do us harm" Of course not, it's pointless to personify nature. I don't think you can really dodge the question based on the way it was phrase. A better way would be asking is if the apparent hostility in nature is compatible with a merciful God.

the story that ties all monotheistic religions together is based on God intervening. In the story of Abraham. Then we have the floods in which God obliterates all human and animal life . I'm not sure how consider murdering all life on earth with the exception of a lucky few as "intervenes very little" God's intervention is salient in the bible

Exactly, how can a world with so much outright hostility to human and animal life also be compatible with a merciful god. Especially when these monotheistic religions constantly say that god used to intervene with humankind, but when I was in Manhattan and saw all those people freezing in the cold, I didn't see anything from the heavens trying to help them.

It's not like most people have an extra home to give these people, so where is this merciful god some people speak of. Didn't see it when the earthquakes killed 300,000 people in Haiti either.

*Waits for someone to say Haitians deserved it because some are into voodoo*

 

[kingblaze84]

environment seems hostile to man because the nature of reality has changed

this whole argument is self centered and prideful because it come down to a belief that because the world does not work the way I want it to then there must be a problem with god. there is death and there is suffering built into the current reality why should there not be???

The environment doesn't "seem" hostile, it IS hostile. Go hang outside Times Square in 5 degree weather outside and tell me how nice that feels. Go back in time, tell your parents to reject all the vaccinations they helped give you, and tell me how pleasant the environment would feel to you then.

And it's not that there is a problem with god, hey, maybe the being or beings that created this world MEANT for it to be hostile to animals and others. But it goes to show Neil Tyson and others that if there IS a creator, it probably is not a loving or merciful one. If our creator is merciful, then I simply don't see the evidence or proof that it is. And people for obvious reasons don't like death or suffering, don't be silly.

you are the silly one because honestly death in a sinful world is a mercy would you rather live a in prison forever knowing that you are immortal??? if god did not allow mortal death we would all live forever in what would basically be hell.

god in his mercy give mankind the brains needed to survive every environment on this ruined earth.

Without a certain amount of suffering would we fight to make this world better??? probably not

It is a mercy for many to die, but it's not death itself that bothers most, it's HOW people and animals on Earth die. And before the death, the suffering many have to go through. And while some suffering is probably necessary to improve as a species, the AMOUNT of suffering throughout the world is unnecessary and almost pointless.

There is no point to an infant in Brazil or the Caribbean being born with tiny head syndrome because a damn mosquito gave its mother a brutal disease, especially if that infant is gonna die suffering a horrible death. That's just fucked up and if you believe your god made all that disease on purpose, then damn it's a fucked up being.

 

[alissowack]

Like DoU said...sin.

God wants us to see that His Kindness and Mercy is not based in the material...but the spiritual. Because of sin, we see the opposite. We think God needs to meet our material needs in order to fill us spiritually. Mankind's hostility towards each other is because we are seeking something spiritual that we can't find in ourselves...so we lie, cheat, steal and kill.

This is the HUGE contradiction I'm talking about with Bible believers, if your boy Jesus "forgave" our sins, then why the hell are humans and animals still suffering from the "sins" of Adam and Eve? Are you trying to say Jesus and the Bible god never truly forgave the sins of Adam and Eve?

And as far as mankind's hostility to each other, a lot of this was by design, because humans by nature are very aggressive and territorial. It's in our DNA, and plus humans have limited resources to deal with, because of NATURE being generally hostile to life.

Again...the issue is spiritual. What you want is things to appear at peace and no one physically hurt each other. But if we are not spiritually at peace with ourselves, it won't matter if God allows for a non-violent world. Because of sin, we will find ways to kill the spirit of mankind without even lifting a finger.

God wants a personal relationship with mankind...not a business transaction. Jesus's forgiveness of sin was done out of love for mankind...not as some contract agreement which is what you are suggesting. What you want is the benefits of being in God's Favor instead of getting to know Him who grants favor.

 

[zzombie]

environment seems hostile to man because the nature of reality has changed

this whole argument is self centered and prideful because it come down to a belief that because the world does not work the way I want it to then there must be a problem with god. there is death and there is suffering built into the current reality why should there not be???

The environment doesn't "seem" hostile, it IS hostile. Go hang outside Times Square in 5 degree weather outside and tell me how nice that feels. Go back in time, tell your parents to reject all the vaccinations they helped give you, and tell me how pleasant the environment would feel to you then.

And it's not that there is a problem with god, hey, maybe the being or beings that created this world MEANT for it to be hostile to animals and others. But it goes to show Neil Tyson and others that if there IS a creator, it probably is not a loving or merciful one. If our creator is merciful, then I simply don't see the evidence or proof that it is. And people for obvious reasons don't like death or suffering, don't be silly.

you are the silly one because honestly death in a sinful world is a mercy would you rather live a in prison forever knowing that you are immortal??? if god did not allow mortal death we would all live forever in what would basically be hell.

god in his mercy give mankind the brains needed to survive every environment on this ruined earth.

Without a certain amount of suffering would we fight to make this world better??? probably not

It is a mercy for many to die, but it's not death itself that bothers most, it's HOW people and animals on Earth die. And before the death, the suffering many have to go through. And while some suffering is probably necessary to improve as a species, the AMOUNT of suffering throughout the world is unnecessary and almost pointless.

There is no point to an infant in Brazil or the Caribbean being born with tiny head syndrome because a damn mosquito gave its mother a brutal disease, especially if that infant is gonna die suffering a horrible death. That's just fucked up and if you believe your god made all that disease on purpose, then damn it's a fucked up being.

most human suffering is caused by man if we would actually treat each other better there would basically be no human suffering on earth except when cause by necessary natural death.

suffering is not point less suffering serves to teach mankind very important lessons and force us to invent ways to reduce that suffering.

 

[Ajackson17]

So many religious threads?

Why Yahweh doesn't come and save you niggas is because only the strong are deserving of Yahweh's mercy and love. Look at David, this nigga fought armies with 30 or 3 people at some given times, this nigga was on his dynasty warrior shit, but you ain't, so why would he help you out. You and 2 other niggas need to go out and wipe out an army beforehand.

 

[The_Jackal]

So many religious threads?

Why Yahweh doesn't come and save you niggas is because only the strong are deserving of Yahweh's mercy and love. Look at David, this nigga fought armies with 30 or 3 people at some given times, this nigga was on his dynasty warrior shit, but you ain't, so why would he help you out. You and 2 other niggas need to go out and wipe out an army beforehand.

As sarcastic as your post is I unironically agree. Nice job throwing shade on Blaze

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

If god steps in and does something does that negate freewill*?

*as in we are free to do as we do**

**which is ridiculous and false but w/e

 

[The_Jackal]

If god steps in and does something does that negate freewill*?

*as in we are free to do as we do**

**which is ridiculous and false but w/e

In the premise of the thread it does. From a theological and philosophical stand point the second that he forces men to be merciful it automatically would negate the choice of you choosing to be merciful. Example being what I wrote in the first post about blaze walking past the homeless people.

 

[Ajackson17]

So many religious threads?

Why Yahweh doesn't come and save you niggas is because only the strong are deserving of Yahweh's mercy and love. Look at David, this nigga fought armies with 30 or 3 people at some given times, this nigga was on his dynasty warrior shit, but you ain't, so why would he help you out. You and 2 other niggas need to go out and wipe out an army beforehand.

As sarcastic as your post is I unironically agree. Nice job throwing shade on Blaze

I'm really past what cats really believed in, if you are black then you need to be helping your people in the best way you can. Marcus Garvey, MLK JR, Frederick Douglass, Nat Turner, and etc were christians, Menelik I was a christian and whooped the Italian army.

Then you had Bookman and Hatians revolutionaries except Toussaint who was Catholic beat the French, English, and Spanish who were Voodun men.

Then you had Islamic men like Malcolm X, Elijah Muhummad, Noble Drew Ali and etc who worked with Christians, atheists, naturalists and etc for bettering the conditions of our people.

Any evangelists whether you are a believer or non believer is idiotic, now you want to teach that's fine. If you want to force down then you are fucking wrong. Show by example and be a shining star, not a dying star needing new blood all the time.