THEY CUTTING OFF WELFARE

[konceptjones]

U must stay in south where they got old as systems running windows 98, these new computers don't fuck up like that unless u om there watching Hella porn and most people got phones now to do that

I manage systems running VMWare, Docker/Kubernetes, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Linux (RHEL6 and 7/CentOS 5, 6, and 7, SLES 10 and 11), Windows Server 2008R2 and 2012, IRIX, AIX, Solaris 9-11, and HP/UX 10-11.

Shit fucks up. My clients pay me to fix those fuck ups.

 

[aneed123]

All machines break... manual labor jobs are being out sourced... it's a fact.

 

[obnoxiouslyfresh]

I hate people who get stamps. Im buying ramen noodles and they be Eating fillet minon. All while I'm working my ass off. Im about get it how you live but Damn...... when is enough, enough?

One of my homeboys was temporarily unemployed recently, went in the welfare office & exaggerated saying he was flat broke, living in his car and shit. They gave him $21 month of EBT lmao. Shits fucked up, but welfare don't benefit childfree ppl. But these broads with 7+ bastard kids be getting $400+ in EBT smh. America smh

$400? Try $800 with 2 kids

 

[rebootx1]

Yeah here in ol it's about 250 bucks a person but they want people to work for that shit now, better off hustling or getting a gig

 

[(Nope)]

Single adult with no income (or showing no income, literally nothing) receives $194 a month from SNAP. That's about $6.50 a day to eat in a 30 day month. Some of you are mad about the wrong things.

 

[desertrain10]

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "advanced" and "welfare system," but I would argue that a capitalist society generally thrives well with a very limited "welfare system" or with no "welfare system" at all.

I believe that the kind of welfare system that currentlyknitrates in the United States is counterproductive in regard to the mitigation of poverty, the opportunity for social mobility, and the production of wealth.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more necessary moving forward

 

[zzombie]

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "advanced" and "welfare system," but I would argue that a capitalist society generally thrives well with a very limited "welfare system" or with no "welfare system" at all.

I believe that the kind of welfare system that currentlyknitrates in the United States is counterproductive in regard to the mitigation of poverty, the opportunity for social mobility, and the production of wealth.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

 

[desertrain10]

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "advanced" and "welfare system," but I would argue that a capitalist society generally thrives well with a very limited "welfare system" or with no "welfare system" at all.

I believe that the kind of welfare system that currentlyknitrates in the United States is counterproductive in regard to the mitigation of poverty, the opportunity for social mobility, and the production of wealth.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

No it's not big enough

Part of the reason why poverty is on the rise and social mobility in this country is so low

Big government is evil? Tell that to the many countries with robust safety nets, low employment and low poverty rates

And at least with the government citizens have some say in who is running things opposed to the alternative

 

[zzombie]

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "advanced" and "welfare system," but I would argue that a capitalist society generally thrives well with a very limited "welfare system" or with no "welfare system" at all.

I believe that the kind of welfare system that currentlyknitrates in the United States is counterproductive in regard to the mitigation of poverty, the opportunity for social mobility, and the production of wealth.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

No it's not big enough

Part of the reason why poverty is on the rise and social mobility in this country is so low

Big government is evil? Tell that to the many countries with robust safety nets, low employment and low poverty rates

And at least with the government citizens have some same in who is running things opposed to the alternative

You mean in northern Europe??? where they have whole nations with the population size of NYC ???

You cannot recreate their relative success into the american situation because of many different factors and you wacky leftist know this. America has a 300 million population of very diverse people AMERICA CAN NEVER BE EUROPE.

You have to grow up and accept that some people have to suffer that's just how it is.

 

[konceptjones]

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "advanced" and "welfare system," but I would argue that a capitalist society generally thrives well with a very limited "welfare system" or with no "welfare system" at all.

I believe that the kind of welfare system that currentlyknitrates in the United States is counterproductive in regard to the mitigation of poverty, the opportunity for social mobility, and the production of wealth.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

No it's not big enough

Part of the reason why poverty is on the rise and social mobility in this country is so low

Big government is evil? Tell that to the many countries with robust safety nets, low employment and low poverty rates

And at least with the government citizens have some say in who is running things opposed to the alternative

one reason poverty is on the rise is folks are still stuck on gettin plant jobs when the plant been closed for 20 years. You gotta adapt to today's job market and if you're young you have time to do just that. We got folks out here in their 30's just gettin into STEM fields and finding out that a decent living can be made. Plus, skilled trades are ALWAYS in demand because folks over look them as an alternative to college. A mechanic can make decent coin, HVAC can make a killing... Lots of ways to get out there to make a decent living but the people need to seek that out for themselves instead of expecting someone to just walk up and hand them that job.

 

[desertrain10]

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

No it's not big enough

Part of the reason why poverty is on the rise and social mobility in this country is so low

Big government is evil? Tell that to the many countries with robust safety nets, low employment and low poverty rates

And at least with the government citizens have some same in who is running things opposed to the alternative

You mean in northern Europe??? where they have whole nations with the population size of NYC ???

You cannot recreate their relative success into the american situation because of many different factors and you wacky leftist know this. America has a 300 million population of very diverse people AMERICA CAN NEVER BE EUROPE.

You have to grow up and accept that some people have to suffer that's just how it is.

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "advanced" and "welfare system," but I would argue that a capitalist society generally thrives well with a very limited "welfare system" or with no "welfare system" at all.

I believe that the kind of welfare system that currentlyknitrates in the United States is counterproductive in regard to the mitigation of poverty, the opportunity for social mobility, and the production of wealth.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

No it's not big enough

Part of the reason why poverty is on the rise and social mobility in this country is so low

Big government is evil? Tell that to the many countries with robust safety nets, low employment and low poverty rates

And at least with the government citizens have some same in who is running things opposed to the alternative

You mean in northern Europe??? where they have whole nations with the population size of NYC ???

You cannot recreate their relative success into the american situation because of many different factors and you wacky leftist know this. America has a 300 million population of very diverse people AMERICA CAN NEVER BE EUROPE.

You have to grow up and accept that some people have to suffer that's just how it is.

Lol

America is not Norway or Denmark

My point is the government can do a lot of good

And our government can do more to move us toward a more egalitarian society if the right ppl are in office and the right policies are instituted

It will take a major cultural shift before that happens though

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Well we've already seen Trump voters complaining about losing Obamacare even though Trump constantly announced he'd do that in his campaign. That was funny.

If this is true, it will be just as funny to see them cry about this even though Republicans have been set against welfare for forever.

Those dumbasses didn't know obama care and the affordable care act was the same thing lmfao.

Even the ones that did voted for Trump. They claimed they thought he was just making campaign promises, but wouldn't stick with it. How stupid is that? Some of these people are literally betting their lives on quite possibly the stupidest assumption ever.

 

[desertrain10]

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "advanced" and "welfare system," but I would argue that a capitalist society generally thrives well with a very limited "welfare system" or with no "welfare system" at all.

I believe that the kind of welfare system that currentlyknitrates in the United States is counterproductive in regard to the mitigation of poverty, the opportunity for social mobility, and the production of wealth.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

No it's not big enough

Part of the reason why poverty is on the rise and social mobility in this country is so low

Big government is evil? Tell that to the many countries with robust safety nets, low employment and low poverty rates

And at least with the government citizens have some say in who is running things opposed to the alternative

one reason poverty is on the rise is folks are still stuck on gettin plant jobs when the plant been closed for 20 years. You gotta adapt to today's job market and if you're young you have time to do just that. We got folks out here in their 30's just gettin into STEM fields and finding out that a decent living can be made. Plus, skilled trades are ALWAYS in demand because folks over look them as an alternative to college. A mechanic can make decent coin, HVAC can make a killing... Lots of ways to get out there to make a decent living but the people need to seek that out for themselves instead of expecting someone to just walk up and hand them that job.

There's some truth to what you said

Even though manufacturing jobs are actually on the rise

But the spike began with the depression as it always

Then wages have stagnated while the price of living has gone up

Plus many Americans are facing crippling debt stemming from medical bills and school loans

The cut in funding to social programs nationwide has pushed many ppl, some of whom are unemployable, deeper into debt and/or poverty

 

[prime_time_willy]

Cuttinf welfare would just make poor people more desperate.

They going to be jumping in yall houses.

Oh mine too.

they going to be making sandwiches on some bruh man shit

 

[desertrain10]

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "advanced" and "welfare system," but I would argue that a capitalist society generally thrives well with a very limited "welfare system" or with no "welfare system" at all.

I believe that the kind of welfare system that currentlyknitrates in the United States is counterproductive in regard to the mitigation of poverty, the opportunity for social mobility, and the production of wealth.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

I had to come back to this post

What big cushion you are referring to?

Food stamps?

Please provide some data, numbers

From what I've read and observed we spend very little on social programs to assist poor and low income families compared with most developed nations

Not to mention the cuts in funding to these programs the last 40 yrs

We once declared a war on poverty. But it didn't last for even 10 yrs

 

[konceptjones]

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "advanced" and "welfare system," but I would argue that a capitalist society generally thrives well with a very limited "welfare system" or with no "welfare system" at all.

I believe that the kind of welfare system that currentlyknitrates in the United States is counterproductive in regard to the mitigation of poverty, the opportunity for social mobility, and the production of wealth.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

No it's not big enough

Part of the reason why poverty is on the rise and social mobility in this country is so low

Big government is evil? Tell that to the many countries with robust safety nets, low employment and low poverty rates

And at least with the government citizens have some say in who is running things opposed to the alternative

one reason poverty is on the rise is folks are still stuck on gettin plant jobs when the plant been closed for 20 years. You gotta adapt to today's job market and if you're young you have time to do just that. We got folks out here in their 30's just gettin into STEM fields and finding out that a decent living can be made. Plus, skilled trades are ALWAYS in demand because folks over look them as an alternative to college. A mechanic can make decent coin, HVAC can make a killing... Lots of ways to get out there to make a decent living but the people need to seek that out for themselves instead of expecting someone to just walk up and hand them that job.

There's some truth to what you said

Even though manufacturing jobs are actually on the rise

But the spike began with the depression as it always

Then wages have stagnated while the price of living has gone up

Plus many Americans are facing crippling debt stemming from medical bills and school loans

The cut in funding to social programs nationwide has pushed many ppl, some of whom are unemployable, deeper into debt and/or poverty

There's nothing BUT truth in what I've said. The people have to shift to the changing market. If you used to make money on the line and the line ain't there no more but here's another opportunity to get yours you just have to take a 6 month training program to get it then that's what you have to do. You can't sit off hoping for them jobs on the line to come back. There's entire cities in this country that have been devastated because they thought those jobs were gonna come back and just sat still on unemployment and then welfare instead of gettin up to find a new way.

Also, I don't believe in "unemployable" people. There's a job out there for everyone, even felons.

 

[zzombie]

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

No it's not big enough

Part of the reason why poverty is on the rise and social mobility in this country is so low

Big government is evil? Tell that to the many countries with robust safety nets, low employment and low poverty rates

And at least with the government citizens have some same in who is running things opposed to the alternative

You mean in northern Europe??? where they have whole nations with the population size of NYC ???

You cannot recreate their relative success into the american situation because of many different factors and you wacky leftist know this. America has a 300 million population of very diverse people AMERICA CAN NEVER BE EUROPE.

You have to grow up and accept that some people have to suffer that's just how it is.

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "advanced" and "welfare system," but I would argue that a capitalist society generally thrives well with a very limited "welfare system" or with no "welfare system" at all.

I believe that the kind of welfare system that currentlyknitrates in the United States is counterproductive in regard to the mitigation of poverty, the opportunity for social mobility, and the production of wealth.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

No it's not big enough

Part of the reason why poverty is on the rise and social mobility in this country is so low

Big government is evil? Tell that to the many countries with robust safety nets, low employment and low poverty rates

And at least with the government citizens have some same in who is running things opposed to the alternative

You mean in northern Europe??? where they have whole nations with the population size of NYC ???

You cannot recreate their relative success into the american situation because of many different factors and you wacky leftist know this. America has a 300 million population of very diverse people AMERICA CAN NEVER BE EUROPE.

You have to grow up and accept that some people have to suffer that's just how it is.

Lol

America is not Norway or Denmark

My point is the government can do a lot of good

And our government can do more to move us toward a more egalitarian society if the right ppl are in office and the right policies are instituted

It will take a major cultural shift before that happens though

Absolutely not.

THERE CAN BE NO SUCH THING AS AN EGALITARIAN SOCIETY NOR DO I SEE WHY ONE WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

CRACK open a history book we have been through this shit already all attempts to create egalitarian societies end is disaster. PEOPLE ARE NOT EQUAL and using the force of government to make them so only leads to resistance or the establishment of tyrannical elites. PEOPLE IN THE WEST are already swinging away from your leftism which is part of the reason trump is in office if there is going to be a cultural shift it won't be towards your direction.

 

[desertrain10]

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "advanced" and "welfare system," but I would argue that a capitalist society generally thrives well with a very limited "welfare system" or with no "welfare system" at all.

I believe that the kind of welfare system that currentlyknitrates in the United States is counterproductive in regard to the mitigation of poverty, the opportunity for social mobility, and the production of wealth.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

No it's not big enough

Part of the reason why poverty is on the rise and social mobility in this country is so low

Big government is evil? Tell that to the many countries with robust safety nets, low employment and low poverty rates

And at least with the government citizens have some say in who is running things opposed to the alternative

one reason poverty is on the rise is folks are still stuck on gettin plant jobs when the plant been closed for 20 years. You gotta adapt to today's job market and if you're young you have time to do just that. We got folks out here in their 30's just gettin into STEM fields and finding out that a decent living can be made. Plus, skilled trades are ALWAYS in demand because folks over look them as an alternative to college. A mechanic can make decent coin, HVAC can make a killing... Lots of ways to get out there to make a decent living but the people need to seek that out for themselves instead of expecting someone to just walk up and hand them that job.

There's some truth to what you said

Even though manufacturing jobs are actually on the rise

But the spike began with the depression as it always

Then wages have stagnated while the price of living has gone up

Plus many Americans are facing crippling debt stemming from medical bills and school loans

The cut in funding to social programs nationwide has pushed many ppl, some of whom are unemployable, deeper into debt and/or poverty

There's nothing BUT truth in what I've said. The people have to shift to the changing market. If you used to make money on the line and the line ain't there no more but here's another opportunity to get yours you just have to take a 6 month training program to get it then that's what you have to do. You can't sit off hoping for them jobs on the line to come back. There's entire cities in this country that have been devastated because they thought those jobs were gonna come back and just sat still on unemployment and then welfare instead of gettin up to find a new way.

Also, I don't believe in "unemployable" people. There's a job out there for everyone, even felons.

Nigga I'm from metro Detroit too

I personally seen and experienced how plant closes have devasted towns like flint and pontiac

And while there is some truth to what you are saying I see ppl trying

The rise in poverty is more deeper and complicated than what you are making it seem

And by unemployable I mean ppl with disabilities, those with chronic illness, care givers, the elderly etc

 

[desertrain10]

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

No it's not big enough

Part of the reason why poverty is on the rise and social mobility in this country is so low

Big government is evil? Tell that to the many countries with robust safety nets, low employment and low poverty rates

And at least with the government citizens have some same in who is running things opposed to the alternative

You mean in northern Europe??? where they have whole nations with the population size of NYC ???

You cannot recreate their relative success into the american situation because of many different factors and you wacky leftist know this. America has a 300 million population of very diverse people AMERICA CAN NEVER BE EUROPE.

You have to grow up and accept that some people have to suffer that's just how it is.

yeah, A link or some sort of reference would be nice.

This.

If it's true (whatever "they cutting off welfare" exactly means), then I don't think that's a good thing. I'm generally against the "welfare system," but cutting it abruptly is not the proper way to address the problem. Some people are very much dependent on welfare.

meh

An advanced capitalist society could not sustain itself without a welfare system

You keep on expressing your dislike of capitalism, and I keep on telling you that I believe that your understanding of capitalism is flawed. And this might be yet another example.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "advanced" and "welfare system," but I would argue that a capitalist society generally thrives well with a very limited "welfare system" or with no "welfare system" at all.

I believe that the kind of welfare system that currentlyknitrates in the United States is counterproductive in regard to the mitigation of poverty, the opportunity for social mobility, and the production of wealth.

I don't necessarily think capitalism is this great evil

I just believe your disdain of the welfare state /social welfare programs is short sighted and misplaced

My understanding of the welfare state being a system whereby the government undertakes to protect the health and well-being of its citizens, especially those in financial or social need, by means of grants, pensions, and other benefits

Corporations being the backbone of market capitalism. By "advanced" = when corporations own corporations which own corporations

That said, capitalism and technological advances have done much to destroy traditional tight knit, self sustaining communities of the past leaving many of the unemployable without support...

Capitalist economies are also subject to boom and bust cycles leaving many without work

The welfare state is the necessary management of capitalistic poverty and unemployment

It provides a cushion

Absent the redistribution and government programs, an advanced capitalist society would not be able to sustain itself and grow

There would be insufficient demand to drive production. There is only so much the wealthiest amongst us can buy

Not mention the social unrest that would occur

Advances in technology and globalization is going to make the welfare state even more moving forward

Your cushion is too big and too soft and too comfortable.

Government is wasteful, inefficient and is always on the edge of being tyrannical.

No it's not big enough

Part of the reason why poverty is on the rise and social mobility in this country is so low

Big government is evil? Tell that to the many countries with robust safety nets, low employment and low poverty rates

And at least with the government citizens have some same in who is running things opposed to the alternative

You mean in northern Europe??? where they have whole nations with the population size of NYC ???

You cannot recreate their relative success into the american situation because of many different factors and you wacky leftist know this. America has a 300 million population of very diverse people AMERICA CAN NEVER BE EUROPE.

You have to grow up and accept that some people have to suffer that's just how it is.

Lol

America is not Norway or Denmark

My point is the government can do a lot of good

And our government can do more to move us toward a more egalitarian society if the right ppl are in office and the right policies are instituted

It will take a major cultural shift before that happens though

Absolutely not.

THERE CAN BE NO SUCH THING AS AN EGALITARIAN SOCIETY NOR DO I SEE WHY ONE WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

CRACK open a history book we have been through this shit already all attempts to create egalitarian societies end is disaster. PEOPLE ARE NOT EQUAL and using the force of government to make them so only leads to resistance or the establishment of tyrannical elites. PEOPLE IN THE WEST are already swinging away from your leftism which is part of the reason trump is in office if there is going to be a cultural shift it won't be towards your direction.

And u were just discussing the merits of universal basic income lol

But yea let's agree to disagree

 

[rebootx1]

Yeah I think anyone under 30 really don't have much to contribute to this thread cities like Gary and Detroit got decemated by plant closings, computers and machines are taking jobs and they won't come back. I seen people working McDonald's asking for 15 dollars an hours next thing you got touch screen's in the building like kill that noise, old fashioned people don't wanna learn technology, but it's moving in faster than people can train.