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Sion;8269962 said:GetoBoy;8269934 said:Sion;8269923 said:I believe that some rappers as lyrical as they may be just aren't good at battle raps. There's a lot of examples of that, look at Jay-Z and NaS, Jay wasn't the best at crafting diss records (see Super Ugly, Game, Dipset, Jim Jones, etc.) hence part of why he stuck to subliminals. Lil Wayne had a similar situation with Pusha T when he responded with that horrible Ghoulish record. Saigon as well when he responded to Joe Budden, Lil Flip when he responded to T.I. etc. There's artists who just aren't good at battling on wax as they might be lyrically.
Drake simply relayed the better diss track and while Meek's wasn't that bad it wasn't very good either. Had he dropped a scalding hot diss he would have even the tides. He needs to step his bars up as you should in any rap battle. That's primarily why he's losing. Social media would have been divided if Meek simply came wit it. Like another poster said, there's a lot that Meek could have touched on but completely missed SMMFH.
Takeover and Dig A Hole say otherwise about the Jay part..... Don't know too many diss songs crafted better then takeover....also Blueprint 2....safe to say Jay is very well capable of crafting great diss records
All he said on Dig A Hole was that the only time the Dips went plat was under his roof, hardly a big diss when you consider they had Dame cosigning them and humiliating Jay in their music videos and on radio. Respectfully we might have to agree to disagree. I think Jay-Z is good at making GOOD hit records but not hard hitting disses. Blueprint 2 was more brutal for Jungle than it was for NaS (if at all hurting for NaS).
But anyways, it's some rappers who aren't as good at crafting powerful disses as they are at hit records, Lil Wayne, Meek, Lil Flip, Shyne, Saigon, etc. etc. they shine in other places but just not in battle. I remember it was a thread on hear about lyricism, the interesting thing about Hip-Hop is you don't need to be an AMAZING lyricist to be a good battle rapper (see 50 Cent).
Sion;826996 2 said:GetoBoy;8269934 said:Sion;8269923 said:I believe that some rappers as lyrical as they may be just aren't good at battle raps. There's a lot of examples of that, look at Jay-Z and NaS, Jay wasn't the best at crafting diss records (see Super Ugly, Game, Dipset, Jim Jones, etc.) hence part of why he stuck to subliminals. Lil Wayne had a similar situation with Pusha T when he responded with that horrible Ghoulish record. Saigon as well when he responded to Joe Budden, Lil Flip when he responded to T.I. etc. There's artists who just aren't good at battling on wax as they might be lyrically.
Drake simply relayed the better diss track and while Meek's wasn't that bad it wasn't very good either. Had he dropped a scalding hot diss he would have even the tides. He needs to step his bars up as you should in any rap battle. That's primarily why he's losing. Social media would have been divided if Meek simply came wit it. Like another poster said, there's a lot that Meek could have touched on but completely missed SMMFH.
Takeover and Dig A Hole say otherwise about the Jay part..... Don't know too many diss songs crafted better then takeover....also Blueprint 2....safe to say Jay is very well capable of crafting great diss records
All he said on Dig A Hole was that the only time the Dips went plat was under his roof, hardly a big diss when you consider they had Dame cosigning them and humiliating Jay in their music videos and on radio. Respectfully we might have to agree to disagree. I think Jay-Z is good at making GOOD hit records but not hard hitting disses. Blueprint 2 was more brutal for Jungle than it was for NaS (if at all hurting for NaS).
But anyways, it's some rappers who aren't as good at crafting powerful disses as they are at hit records, Lil Wayne, Meek, Lil Flip, Shyne, Saigon, etc. etc. they shine in other places but just not in battle. I remember it was a thread on hear about lyricism, the interesting thing about Hip-Hop is you don't need to be an AMAZING lyricist to be a good battle rapper (see 50 Cent).
GetoBoy;8270013 said:Sion;826996 2 said:GetoBoy;8269934 said:Sion;8269923 said:I believe that some rappers as lyrical as they may be just aren't good at battle raps. There's a lot of examples of that, look at Jay-Z and NaS, Jay wasn't the best at crafting diss records (see Super Ugly, Game, Dipset, Jim Jones, etc.) hence part of why he stuck to subliminals. Lil Wayne had a similar situation with Pusha T when he responded with that horrible Ghoulish record. Saigon as well when he responded to Joe Budden, Lil Flip when he responded to T.I. etc. There's artists who just aren't good at battling on wax as they might be lyrically.
Drake simply relayed the better diss track and while Meek's wasn't that bad it wasn't very good either. Had he dropped a scalding hot diss he would have even the tides. He needs to step his bars up as you should in any rap battle. That's primarily why he's losing. Social media would have been divided if Meek simply came wit it. Like another poster said, there's a lot that Meek could have touched on but completely missed SMMFH.
Takeover and Dig A Hole say otherwise about the Jay part..... Don't know too many diss songs crafted better then takeover....also Blueprint 2....safe to say Jay is very well capable of crafting great diss records
All he said on Dig A Hole was that the only time the Dips went plat was under his roof, hardly a big diss when you consider they had Dame cosigning them and humiliating Jay in their music videos and on radio. Respectfully we might have to agree to disagree. I think Jay-Z is good at making GOOD hit records but not hard hitting disses. Blueprint 2 was more brutal for Jungle than it was for NaS (if at all hurting for NaS).
But anyways, it's some rappers who aren't as good at crafting powerful disses as they are at hit records, Lil Wayne, Meek, Lil Flip, Shyne, Saigon, etc. etc. they shine in other places but just not in battle. I remember it was a thread on hear about lyricism, the interesting thing about Hip-Hop is you don't need to be an AMAZING lyricist to be a good battle rapper (see 50 Cent).
Yea we gotta agree to disagree on this one....between Takeover Blueprint 2 Dig a Hole The Game freestyle he spit on hot 97 and others tracks Jay has shown that he can most def craft great diss records.....and he said plenty more on Dig a Hole besides when they went plat aka cleaverly playing with how cam said he seen niggas throwing up the ROC sign outside his car b4 they shoot him....but yea we can just agree to disagree on thay
J.J._Evans;8269994 said:None of them have any followers. Just some random niggas.
Probably some of the overly emotional posters from this thread......LOL
murdap;8270024 said:GetoBoy;8270013 said:Sion;826996 2 said:GetoBoy;8269934 said:Sion;8269923 said:I believe that some rappers as lyrical as they may be just aren't good at battle raps. There's a lot of examples of that, look at Jay-Z and NaS, Jay wasn't the best at crafting diss records (see Super Ugly, Game, Dipset, Jim Jones, etc.) hence part of why he stuck to subliminals. Lil Wayne had a similar situation with Pusha T when he responded with that horrible Ghoulish record. Saigon as well when he responded to Joe Budden, Lil Flip when he responded to T.I. etc. There's artists who just aren't good at battling on wax as they might be lyrically.
Drake simply relayed the better diss track and while Meek's wasn't that bad it wasn't very good either. Had he dropped a scalding hot diss he would have even the tides. He needs to step his bars up as you should in any rap battle. That's primarily why he's losing. Social media would have been divided if Meek simply came wit it. Like another poster said, there's a lot that Meek could have touched on but completely missed SMMFH.
Takeover and Dig A Hole say otherwise about the Jay part..... Don't know too many diss songs crafted better then takeover....also Blueprint 2....safe to say Jay is very well capable of crafting great diss records
All he said on Dig A Hole was that the only time the Dips went plat was under his roof, hardly a big diss when you consider they had Dame cosigning them and humiliating Jay in their music videos and on radio. Respectfully we might have to agree to disagree. I think Jay-Z is good at making GOOD hit records but not hard hitting disses. Blueprint 2 was more brutal for Jungle than it was for NaS (if at all hurting for NaS).
But anyways, it's some rappers who aren't as good at crafting powerful disses as they are at hit records, Lil Wayne, Meek, Lil Flip, Shyne, Saigon, etc. etc. they shine in other places but just not in battle. I remember it was a thread on hear about lyricism, the interesting thing about Hip-Hop is you don't need to be an AMAZING lyricist to be a good battle rapper (see 50 Cent).
Yea we gotta agree to disagree on this one....between Takeover Blueprint 2 Dig a Hole The Game freestyle he spit on hot 97 and others tracks Jay has shown that he can most def craft great diss records.....and he said plenty more on Dig a Hole besides when they went plat aka cleaverly playing with how cam said he seen niggas throwing up the ROC sign outside his car b4 they shoot him....but yea we can just agree to disagree on thay
Jay weak with the disses all he wanna do is throw subliminals Beanie and Game went in on Hov and he dont respond.
Beans >>>>>Jay
GetoBoy;8270058 said:murdap;8270024 said:GetoBoy;8270013 said:Sion;826996 2 said:GetoBoy;8269934 said:Sion;8269923 said:I believe that some rappers as lyrical as they may be just aren't good at battle raps. There's a lot of examples of that, look at Jay-Z and NaS, Jay wasn't the best at crafting diss records (see Super Ugly, Game, Dipset, Jim Jones, etc.) hence part of why he stuck to subliminals. Lil Wayne had a similar situation with Pusha T when he responded with that horrible Ghoulish record. Saigon as well when he responded to Joe Budden, Lil Flip when he responded to T.I. etc. There's artists who just aren't good at battling on wax as they might be lyrically.
Drake simply relayed the better diss track and while Meek's wasn't that bad it wasn't very good either. Had he dropped a scalding hot diss he would have even the tides. He needs to step his bars up as you should in any rap battle. That's primarily why he's losing. Social media would have been divided if Meek simply came wit it. Like another poster said, there's a lot that Meek could have touched on but completely missed SMMFH.
Takeover and Dig A Hole say otherwise about the Jay part..... Don't know too many diss songs crafted better then takeover....also Blueprint 2....safe to say Jay is very well capable of crafting great diss records
All he said on Dig A Hole was that the only time the Dips went plat was under his roof, hardly a big diss when you consider they had Dame cosigning them and humiliating Jay in their music videos and on radio. Respectfully we might have to agree to disagree. I think Jay-Z is good at making GOOD hit records but not hard hitting disses. Blueprint 2 was more brutal for Jungle than it was for NaS (if at all hurting for NaS).
But anyways, it's some rappers who aren't as good at crafting powerful disses as they are at hit records, Lil Wayne, Meek, Lil Flip, Shyne, Saigon, etc. etc. they shine in other places but just not in battle. I remember it was a thread on hear about lyricism, the interesting thing about Hip-Hop is you don't need to be an AMAZING lyricist to be a good battle rapper (see 50 Cent).
Yea we gotta agree to disagree on this one....between Takeover Blueprint 2 Dig a Hole The Game freestyle he spit on hot 97 and others tracks Jay has shown that he can most def craft great diss records.....and he said plenty more on Dig a Hole besides when they went plat aka cleaverly playing with how cam said he seen niggas throwing up the ROC sign outside his car b4 they shoot him....but yea we can just agree to disagree on thay
Jay weak with the disses all he wanna do is throw subliminals Beanie and Game went in on Hov and he dont respond.
Beans >>>>>Jay
If a diss is obvious is it even still considered a subliminal tho??? You can't have one of the top 5-10 diss tracks of all time and be weak with the disses..... That's a oxymoron
Sion;8269923 said:I believe that some rappers as lyrical as they may be just aren't good at battle raps. There's a lot of examples of that, look at Jay-Z and NaS, Jay wasn't the best at crafting diss records (see Super Ugly, Game, Dipset, Jim Jones, etc.) hence part of why he stuck to subliminals. Lil Wayne had a similar situation with Pusha T when he responded with that horrible Ghoulish record. Saigon as well when he responded to Joe Budden, Lil Flip when he responded to T.I. etc. There's artists who just aren't good at battling on wax as they might be lyrically.
Drake simply relayed the better diss track and while Meek's wasn't that bad it wasn't very good either. Had he dropped a scalding hot diss he would have even the tides. He needs to step his bars up as you should in any rap battle. That's primarily why he's losing. Social media would have been divided if Meek simply came wit it. Like another poster said, there's a lot that Meek could have touched on but completely missed SMMFH.
murdap;8270076 said:GetoBoy;8270058 said:murdap;8270024 said:GetoBoy;8270013 said:Sion;826996 2 said:GetoBoy;8269934 said:Sion;8269923 said:I believe that some rappers as lyrical as they may be just aren't good at battle raps. There's a lot of examples of that, look at Jay-Z and NaS, Jay wasn't the best at crafting diss records (see Super Ugly, Game, Dipset, Jim Jones, etc.) hence part of why he stuck to subliminals. Lil Wayne had a similar situation with Pusha T when he responded with that horrible Ghoulish record. Saigon as well when he responded to Joe Budden, Lil Flip when he responded to T.I. etc. There's artists who just aren't good at battling on wax as they might be lyrically.
Drake simply relayed the better diss track and while Meek's wasn't that bad it wasn't very good either. Had he dropped a scalding hot diss he would have even the tides. He needs to step his bars up as you should in any rap battle. That's primarily why he's losing. Social media would have been divided if Meek simply came wit it. Like another poster said, there's a lot that Meek could have touched on but completely missed SMMFH.
Takeover and Dig A Hole say otherwise about the Jay part..... Don't know too many diss songs crafted better then takeover....also Blueprint 2....safe to say Jay is very well capable of crafting great diss records
All he said on Dig A Hole was that the only time the Dips went plat was under his roof, hardly a big diss when you consider they had Dame cosigning them and humiliating Jay in their music videos and on radio. Respectfully we might have to agree to disagree. I think Jay-Z is good at making GOOD hit records but not hard hitting disses. Blueprint 2 was more brutal for Jungle than it was for NaS (if at all hurting for NaS).
But anyways, it's some rappers who aren't as good at crafting powerful disses as they are at hit records, Lil Wayne, Meek, Lil Flip, Shyne, Saigon, etc. etc. they shine in other places but just not in battle. I remember it was a thread on hear about lyricism, the interesting thing about Hip-Hop is you don't need to be an AMAZING lyricist to be a good battle rapper (see 50 Cent).
Yea we gotta agree to disagree on this one....between Takeover Blueprint 2 Dig a Hole The Game freestyle he spit on hot 97 and others tracks Jay has shown that he can most def craft great diss records.....and he said plenty more on Dig a Hole besides when they went plat aka cleaverly playing with how cam said he seen niggas throwing up the ROC sign outside his car b4 they shoot him....but yea we can just agree to disagree on thay
Jay weak with the disses all he wanna do is throw subliminals Beanie and Game went in on Hov and he dont respond.
Beans >>>>>Jay
If a diss is obvious is it even still considered a subliminal tho??? You can't have one of the top 5-10 diss tracks of all time and be weak with the disses..... That's a oxymoron
Takeover was booty meat and super ugly was super wack so what other disses jay made thats top ten diss worthy
10 No Vaseline
9 Funeral Music
8 Checkmate
7 240 bars (spider joke)
6 Real mothafukin g'z
5 2nd round knockout
4 300 bars
3 against all odds
2 ether
1 Hit em up
jon0hyfbg;8270014 said:So nobody believes the Meek got something up his sleeves theory?