Thee Official Drake vs Meek Mill beef thread

[FishNChips]

yo, another thing. people who dont seem to care that they listen to fraudulent music, you really think you will hold that opinion for ever? dont think that you get maybe 5, ten, twenty years down the line and then regret the fact that you supported music with little or no integrity, that you were potentially wasting your time on nonsense and stifling actual creativity at the same time, effectively attempting to kill the little value hip hop actually holds now?

its a dangerous game youre playing here, emphasis on the word playing

and look i dont mean to go all sage and serious, but what you see as just entertainment and enjoyment now may mean more to you down somewhere the line.

lmao what makes it fraudulent? the fact that someone else wrote it? is that your main concern? what if Drake wrote his own rap about selling drugs in Texas, killing 10 lads, and fucking Monica Lewinsky in a lowrider, but none of it actually happened? Would you be goin on about "supporting fraudulent music" or would you claim it was just entertainment?

I don't understand your points about wasting time and stifling creativity. If you like the music, fine. You shouldn't worry about whether or not the artist wrote it themself, and honestly whether or not you like the music later on down the road has nothing to do with an artist writing their own music. opinions and tastes change as you grow older, you might start to dislike a Tracy Chapman album that she wrote herself eventhough you love it 10 years ago, and you might still love an Aaliyah album eventhough she didn't write her own music.

 

[SouthsideShawn]

Would Meeks comments prevent other rappers from working with him in the future?

aint goin to have drake thats fosure .

 

[TayGettem]

An if you a true street nigga no snitching applies everywhere.

Did future expouse b.e.t and go into detail abt what they wanted him to do?

NOPE CUZ STREET NIGGAS DON'T GIVE OUT DETAILS

 

[R.D.]

yo, another thing. people who dont seem to care that they listen to fraudulent music, you really think you will hold that opinion for ever? dont think that you get maybe 5, ten, twenty years down the line and then regret the fact that you supported music with little or no integrity, that you were potentially wasting your time on nonsense and stifling actual creativity at the same time, effectively attempting to kill the little value hip hop actually holds now?

its a dangerous game youre playing here, emphasis on the word playing

and look i dont mean to go all sage and serious, but what you see as just entertainment and enjoyment now may mean more to you down somewhere the line.

Thank you! My biggest issue with these girly niggas who say "so"

Jay catch hell just for quoting Biggie lines throught the years but a nigga taking verses and niggas literally don't care...you don't care about the genre, the culture, the message it send

 

[sr_the_freshman]

yo, another thing. people who dont seem to care that they listen to fraudulent music, you really think you will hold that opinion for ever? dont think that you get maybe 5, ten, twenty years down the line and then regret the fact that you supported music with little or no integrity, that you were potentially wasting your time on nonsense and stifling actual creativity at the same time, effectively attempting to kill the little value hip hop actually holds now?

its a dangerous game youre playing here, emphasis on the word playing

and look i dont mean to go all sage and serious, but what you see as just entertainment and enjoyment now may mean more to you down somewhere the line.

lmao what makes it fraudulent? the fact that someone else wrote it? is that your main concern? what if Drake wrote his own rap about selling drugs in Texas, killing 10 lads, and fucking Monica Lewinsky in a lowrider, but none of it actually happened? Would you be goin on about "supporting fraudulent music" or would you claim it was just entertainment?

I don't understand your points about wasting time and stifling creativity. If you like the music, fine. You shouldn't worry about whether or not the artist wrote it themself, and honestly whether or not you like the music later on down the road has nothing to do with an artist writing their own music. opinions and tastes change as you grow older, you might start to dislike a Tracy Chapman album that she wrote herself eventhough you love it 10 years ago, and you might still love an Aaliyah album eventhough she didn't write her own music.

Fam, what is this new nigga bullshit? This is Hip-Hop not fuckin' pop, rock, or R&B. You write your own shit, period. It is literally a cardinal sin to do otherwise save for a line or two, or a hook. You niggas are worse then the lames who don't like competition over wax.

Smh, I shoulda just stayed on hiatus.

 

[IgboNegro]

meeka is really a local artist he wont win anything big in hiphop accept bet hiphop awards . He should go work at young & restless wid his emotional ass

Did Drake assist in the birthing of your children? You're stannery is strange

come lick my sack u faggot

smh

 

[IgboNegro]

yo, another thing. people who dont seem to care that they listen to fraudulent music, you really think you will hold that opinion for ever? dont think that you get maybe 5, ten, twenty years down the line and then regret the fact that you supported music with little or no integrity, that you were potentially wasting your time on nonsense and stifling actual creativity at the same time, effectively attempting to kill the little value hip hop actually holds now?

its a dangerous game youre playing here, emphasis on the word playing

and look i dont mean to go all sage and serious, but what you see as just entertainment and enjoyment now may mean more to you down somewhere the line.

lmao what makes it fraudulent? the fact that someone else wrote it? is that your main concern? what if Drake wrote his own rap about selling drugs in Texas, killing 10 lads, and fucking Monica Lewinsky in a lowrider, but none of it actually happened? Would you be goin on about "supporting fraudulent music" or would you claim it was just entertainment?

I don't understand your points about wasting time and stifling creativity. If you like the music, fine. You shouldn't worry about whether or not the artist wrote it themself, and honestly whether or not you like the music later on down the road has nothing to do with an artist writing their own music. opinions and tastes change as you grow older, you might start to dislike a Tracy Chapman album that she wrote herself eventhough you love it 10 years ago, and you might still love an Aaliyah album eventhough she didn't write her own music.

Stick to your british rappers bruh, you don't know nothing about hip hop

 

[LPast]

You have to consider the nature of rap. You don't play an instrument, make the beat, so the words you say are expected to be your own.

 

[Screwtape]

yo, another thing. people who dont seem to care that they listen to fraudulent music, you really think you will hold that opinion for ever? dont think that you get maybe 5, ten, twenty years down the line and then regret the fact that you supported music with little or no integrity, that you were potentially wasting your time on nonsense and stifling actual creativity at the same time, effectively attempting to kill the little value hip hop actually holds now?

its a dangerous game youre playing here, emphasis on the word playing

and look i dont mean to go all sage and serious, but what you see as just entertainment and enjoyment now may mean more to you down somewhere the line.

lmao what makes it fraudulent? the fact that someone else wrote it? is that your main concern? what if Drake wrote his own rap about selling drugs in Texas, killing 10 lads, and fucking Monica Lewinsky in a lowrider, but none of it actually happened? Would you be goin on about "supporting fraudulent music" or would you claim it was just entertainment?

I don't understand your points about wasting time and stifling creativity. If you like the music, fine. You shouldn't worry about whether or not the artist wrote it themself, and honestly whether or not you like the music later on down the road has nothing to do with an artist writing their own music. opinions and tastes change as you grow older, you might start to dislike a Tracy Chapman album that she wrote herself eventhough you love it 10 years ago, and you might still love an Aaliyah album eventhough she didn't write her own music.

if he wrote it, he envisioned it, its his perspective, his artistry, his creativity....do i need to go on? it would be his

i shouldnt worry about if the artists wrote it themself? youre going against years and years of people creating music because it came from them, across all genres, it came from their soul. how is going against this not stifling creativity?

as for me stating that opinions change. thats all i meant, opinions change and you may regret that you allied with such a fraudulent situation. me disliking an album that i previously enjoyed... ten years down the line.. is nothing to do with the integrity involved. the point you made was pointless.

 

[murdap]

54 pages in and the drake dick licking is in full throttle. The way the stans caping up for this jewish white boy you would think he was biggie or pac. 99% of drake fans wear high heels he the canadian ll cool j.

 

[KamPushMe]

Lol that British faggot does know shit about hip hop. Stick to drinking tea and setting up dental appointments.

 

[FishNChips]

yo, another thing. people who dont seem to care that they listen to fraudulent music, you really think you will hold that opinion for ever? dont think that you get maybe 5, ten, twenty years down the line and then regret the fact that you supported music with little or no integrity, that you were potentially wasting your time on nonsense and stifling actual creativity at the same time, effectively attempting to kill the little value hip hop actually holds now?

its a dangerous game youre playing here, emphasis on the word playing

and look i dont mean to go all sage and serious, but what you see as just entertainment and enjoyment now may mean more to you down somewhere the line.

lmao what makes it fraudulent? the fact that someone else wrote it? is that your main concern? what if Drake wrote his own rap about selling drugs in Texas, killing 10 lads, and fucking Monica Lewinsky in a lowrider, but none of it actually happened? Would you be goin on about "supporting fraudulent music" or would you claim it was just entertainment?

I don't understand your points about wasting time and stifling creativity. If you like the music, fine. You shouldn't worry about whether or not the artist wrote it themself, and honestly whether or not you like the music later on down the road has nothing to do with an artist writing their own music. opinions and tastes change as you grow older, you might start to dislike a Tracy Chapman album that she wrote herself eventhough you love it 10 years ago, and you might still love an Aaliyah album eventhough she didn't write her own music.

Fam, what is this new nigga bullshit? This is Hip-Hop not fuckin' pop, rock, or R&B. You write your own shit, period. It is literally a cardinal sin to do otherwise save for a line or two, or a hook. You niggas are worse then the lames who don't like competition over wax.

Smh, I shoulda just stayed on hiatus.

so who's to say we can't change it? This isn't 1977 anymore mate, you don't need to be out breakdancing while your dj scratches on the turn table and you hype up the crowd with your 100% authentic raps in the middle of a new york neighborhood. if drake's ghostwriter was writing his melodic parts instead of his raps would you still care?

 

[SouthsideShawn]

54 pages in and the drake dick licking is in full throttle. The way the stans caping up for this jewish white boy you would think he was biggie or pac. 99% of drake fans wear high heels he the canadian ll cool j.

why is your name murdap who did u murda ?

 

[Like Water]

Like someone said earlier, I've never looked at Drake as some type of premier lyricist. He's got some dope shit that I fuck wit, and some shit that I don't. I'm not gonna go delete his music from my library. It's not that serious to me.

As for the claims that a ghostwriter was used in the making of some of his music? I mean, yeah, it SHOULD be unacceptable in the genre, and yeah, it SHOULD be damning, but the way the game is structured now, it's not gonna matter at the end of the day. There are only a handful of rappers that I'd truly be upset about having ghostwriters. Lupe, Kendrick, Nas, Ghostface, Black Thought, Scarface. Artists/lyricists of that caliber.

I don't necessarily have a problem with Meek airing out Drake for ghostwriters either. I do have a problem with how and why though. Over twitter, on some emotional bender type of rant, is gay as fuck. Air that shit out in the lab, nigga. And the timing is weird as hell too. Dude has the #1 album right now and has Drake on it. So why now?

Niggas didn't really hafta separate the music from the artist in the 80's and 90's too much. For the most part, you had to be about that life if you rapped about it. It's just different now and fans need to learn how to adjust. The integrity has been compromised for awhile now. It sucks, but that's the long and short of it.

 

[SouthsideShawn]

lil kammmy boy do u neeed some attention ? fuck outta flaggin me

 

[FishNChips]

lupefiascoThe Haunting.

A Letter

Part 1 of 2

To rappers from a rapper...simply write your own rhymes as much as you can if you are able. Ghostwriting, or borrowing lines, or taking suggestions from the room has always been in rap and will always be in rap. It is nothing to go crazy over or be offended about unless you are someone who postures him or herself on the importance of authenticity and tries to portray that quality to your fans or the public at large. Then we might have a problem. Some of the most pivotal moments in rap have been ghostwritten verses.

This leads to a bigger point. Rapping is not an easy thing to do. It's takes years of work and trial and error to master some of its finer points. Respect from other MC's comes in many formats. Sales, live performances, realness etc but the one thing that is the most important is the raps themselves at least in the eyes of other serious rappers. The phrase "I'm not a rapper" gets thrown around as if it's a badge of honor. And that's fine. If rap is a side hustle for you or just a come up then by all means may the force be with you.

But I know a lot of MC's where rap is the first love and the first thing they think about when they wake up and the last thing they think about when they go to sleep. Rappers who pursue the art form with this level of intention may not become rich and famous off selling their raps to a wide audience but that has never been an accepted metric to begin with in terms of quality or level of skill. The vast majority of rappers will never sell 100 records in their lifetimes let alone millions.

But that's not the point, the point is that what pursuing the craft gives us in terms of the intangibles is something that record sales or fame could never represent. We achieve a mastery of language and poetics that competes on the highest levels of discourse across the entirety of human history. We express ourselves creatively and attain a sense of liberation and self-esteem via this sacred mode of creation and communication.

lupefiascoPart 2 Of 2

Modern Radio and the commercial realm of music has injured rap. It set up ambiguous rules and systems for success that don't take into consideration the quality and skill of the rappers craft. It redefined rap as just being a beat driven hook with some words in between and an entire generation has surrendered to chasing the format instead of chasing the art form. While mastering any format should be the pursuit of any self-respecting rapper including the commercial format it must be kept clear that it is just one of many formats and that you should strive to master all of them. The art form is kept alive and progressive in the activities of the tens of thousands of rappers around the world who are everyday trying to think of that next witty bar. Trying to put that crazy verse together while at work. Trying to find that word that rhymes with catapult so they can finish off that vivid story rap about their childhood.

Meek Mill struck a nerve accusing Drake of having a ghostwriter and the entire rap world reacted on all sides of the fence because rap is alive. It's active and it feels. Its rules and traditions are vibrant and responsive. I enjoy both these brothers music and find inspiration and appreciation from both of them. I remember being in Toronto at Goodfoot years ago and it was a stack of CD's on the counter and the guy behind the counter was like "Lupe you gotta take this CD. It's my mans mixtape." I didn't really pay it any mind I took it to the car and looked it over and just kind of set it aside focused on other things. I vividly remember saying "what kind of rap name is Drake?" The rest is history.

Once while in Philly I went to do an interview in a shabby and very hood basement studio complex. I peeked into one of the rooms and it was this tall kid with his shirt off bouncing up and down in the booth with an energy that was electric. I gave him my regards. He gave them back. I think I mentioned something about him cutting his dreads. As I left I remember him rapping something about being a boss. The rest is history. At the end of the day, for better or worse, rap is alive even if some of its greatest moments are written by ghosts.

 

[KamPushMe]

lil kammmy boy do u neeed some attention ? fuck outta flaggin me

U sound hurt pussy

And what alley are you talking about.

We're on the Internet idiot .

 

[Like Water]

@KamPushMe and @Jabu_Rule I hope both you gentlemen flagged @BritishGentleman last post because it was him who posted it and not because of the content of Lupe's message. That shit is spot on and should be met with absolutely no type of resistance or questioning.

 

[IgboNegro]

So many feelings in this thread

 

[Screwtape]

stop cursing out british people you homos

im literally just sat here