The Stupid @ss Vegeta Letting Cell Turn Perfect Thread

[vageneral08]

For the energy thing you forgetting that Goku and Gohan was able to master lvl 1 to the point where it wasn't a energy hog. Level 3 as you can see is not sustainable in the living world as it is in the afterlife. Goku used it and used up his time on earth and when he used it against kid buu it was very draining

Fully Powered Gohan is the strongest saiyan at the end of the buu saga. The only saiyan strong is Vegetto

Only thing Goku have over Gohan is his will to win while Gohan up until being fully powered was never confident in his skills

Level 1 is automatic after you get to super sayian form like when goku first used keo-ken technique that shit hurt him but after while he mastered it and started going 10X on muthafuckas....I think at one point gohan was slightly stronger then goku during the buu sega but overall goku is the strongest of them all

 

[not this again!]

I randomly caught this thread, and it's kind of funny to see it. I missed Dragonball Z.

Anyway, Goku ALSO cheated to get to lv. 4 like Vegeta, because Goku had those two racoons pull his tail out. Without the tail, he couldn't have transformed into the gold giant ape, and susequently gone into Lv. 4.

Also, who knows if Vegeta didn't go into lv. 2 before he became Majin Vegeta?? There wasn't a fight to show it, only time he did fight he just beat down the one guy normally.

I used to like Gohan, like when Goku and Cell fought, and he said both of them were playing around because they were nowhere near his own power.

Vegeta had to get the Majin power up to get to SSJ2. That was one of the reasons why he allowed Babidi to possess him. That was the only way he could close the gap in power between himself and Goku. He admitted that Goku would always be one step ahead of him, no matter what he did.

 

[vagrant-718]

Level 1 is automatic after you get to super sayian form like when goku first used keo-ken technique that shit hurt him but after while he mastered it and started going 10X on muthafuckas....I think at one point gohan was slightly stronger then goku during the buu sega but overall goku is the strongest of them all

Goku may be the strongest but Gohan has the potential to be stronger than Goku. If Gohan was as dedicated as Goku was he would've been the strongest

 

[geechee slim]

DBZ is good for procrastination. How long does is take to look at something in awe. For them, like 5minutes.

I remember when Piccalo merged with Kami.

 

[vageneral08]

Goku may be the strongest but Gohan has the potential to be stronger than Goku. If Gohan was as dedicated as Goku was he would've been the strongest

I think what makes gohan falls little short from goku is that he isnt a full blooded sayian

 

[Miltown Marauder]

DBZ is good for procrastination. How long does is take to look at something in awe. For them, like 5minutes.

I remember when Piccalo merged with Kami.

Yeah that was dope, I hated how Piccalo was pushed to the back though, but I guess it's only so far he can go, especially when you got Goku and them going Super Sayian +.

 

[vagrant-718]

I think what makes gohan falls little short from goku is that he isnt a full blooded sayian

Dont think Full Blood is a factor. As you can see Gohan, Goten and Trunks each went super saiyan at a young age. At the rate they were going, they would have surpassed their fathers

 

[vageneral08]

Dont think Full Blood is a factor. As you can see Gohan, Goten and Trunks each went super saiyan at a young age. At the rate they were going, they would have surpassed their fathers

Did you see how much they trained during those episodes?? if goku and vegeta would've trained that hard they would've been super sayians too they taught them to focus their energy on becoming a super sayian

 

[VulcanRaven]

Vegeta>>>Hoku,fact so except it.

 

[vagrant-718]

Did you see how much they trained during those episodes?? if goku and vegeta would've trained that hard they would've been super sayians too they taught them to focus their energy on becoming a super sayian

Doubt that goku and vegeta would've went super at that age. It took rage for goku and vegeta to go super saiyan. Goten and Trunks were natural progression and they weren't trained to be super sayian as Vegeta and Gohan didn't think it was possible until they saw Trunks and Goten go super saiyan

Vegeta>>>Hoku,fact so except it.

Not a fact. Vegeta himself admits Goku is better than him

 

[mikelewis]

No goku didnt "cheat" it wasn't like he said I need to get my tail back so I can get go level 4 he did that to go in the giant gorilla form.....vegeta never went level 2 before majin if he did they would made an episiode about it

Hey, if people said that using generated moon waves is cheating, how is Goku having his tail pulled out to gain even more power not cheating??? The Elder Kai told him if he grew his tail back, he'd have enough power to beat Baby, and he had the two racoons pull it out for him. Bulma said that since Baby could gather the moon's rays to turn into the giant ape, Vegeta could do the same thing. Both of them did not train to get to Super Saiyan 4, both of them had other people do something extra. So how is one considered cheating and the other not??

And people are saying that Vegeta became Majin Vegeta to become Super Saiyan 2, when in fact it was never known if he was Super Saiyan 2 before or because of that. Remember when he came back before he fused with Goku to make Vegeto, without the Majin power, he was at Super Saiyan 2. During his fight with Kid Buu he was at Super Saiyan 2 as well.

 

[mikelewis]

Vegeta had to get the Majin power up to get to SSJ2. That was one of the reasons why he allowed Babidi to possess him. That was the only way he could close the gap in power between himself and Goku. He admitted that Goku would always be one step ahead of him, no matter what he did.

But how do you know that though??? After he died and came back he was at Super Saiyan 2. You could make the argument that the Majin power enabled him the rage to become Super Saiyan 2, but that would also suggest that anything (Bulma or Trunks dyiny probably) could have triggered that as well. What I am saying is that before Majin Vegeta, it was unknown was level Vegeta was at. He never transformed until that part for anyone to know of.

 

[TheCATthatdidntDIE]

I think what makes gohan falls little short from goku is that he isnt a full blooded sayian

nah, gohan fails because he stopped training and caring

 

[mikelewis]

Oh yeah, and the entire Cell saga could have ended when Piccolo could have killed Cell when he hadn't absorbed any androids and was just sucking the life out of people. Both of them knew Piccolo was stronger than Cell, yet Piccolo let his new power get the best of him.

 

[vagrant-718]

But how do you know that though??? After he died and came back he was at Super Saiyan 2. You could make the argument that the Majin power enabled him the rage to become Super Saiyan 2, but that would also suggest that anything (Bulma or Trunks dyiny probably) could have triggered that as well. What I am saying is that before Majin Vegeta, it was unknown was level Vegeta was at. He never transformed until that part for anyone to know of.

I believe Vegeta was lvl 2 before the majin powerup as we can see he was lvl 2 against kid buu

 

[vageneral08]

Hey, if people said that using generated moon waves is cheating, how is Goku having his tail pulled out to gain even more power not cheating??? The Elder Kai told him if he grew his tail back, he'd have enough power to beat Baby, and he had the two racoons pull it out for him. Bulma said that since Baby could gather the moon's rays to turn into the giant ape, Vegeta could do the same thing. Both of them did not train to get to Super Saiyan 4, both of them had other people do something extra. So how is one considered cheating and the other not??

And people are saying that Vegeta became Majin Vegeta to become Super Saiyan 2, when in fact it was never known if he was Super Saiyan 2 before or because of that. Remember when he came back before he fused with Goku to make Vegeto, without the Majin power, he was at Super Saiyan 2. During his fight with Kid Buu he was at Super Saiyan 2 as well.

No I'm talkin bout super sayian 4....goku wasn't thinking going into level 4 he just wanted to be a big ass gorilla to beat baby he didnt even know there was a level 4 once vegeta saw it he wanted to follow goku and be at level 4 too...like I said vegeta at level didnt happen until majin controlled him why do you think vegeta let badidi or whatever his name take control of his body so he could match goku's power

 

[mikelewis]

No I'm talkin bout super sayian 4....goku wasn't thinking going into level 4 he just wanted to be a big ass gorilla to beat baby he didnt even know there was a level 4 once vegeta saw it he wanted to follow goku and be at level 4 too...like I said vegeta at level didnt happen until majin controlled him why do you think vegeta let badidi or whatever his name take control of his body so he could match goku's power

Goku knew there was a power to be attained regardless. He didn't put in any training to become a Super Saiyan 4 no differently than Vegeta. Both of them became apes, since the moon waves thing only triggered Vegeta growing into a giant ape, he had to regain his own consciousness to transform into Super Saiyan 4. The machine never gave him power, it just gave him the means to transform, like Goku's tail pull.

And like I told vagrant, the Majin thing could have given him the rage to transform into Super Saiyan 2, but not necessarily the power to. Remember Gohan only went to that level with pure rage, once when he was fighting Goku in the time chamber, then the next after Android 16 died where he was able to maintain it. But again, that's up for debate, since we never know what level Vegeta gets to before giving himself to Babidi.

 

[mikelewis]

I believe Vegeta was lvl 2 before the majin powerup as we can see he was lvl 2 against kid buu

One thing always confused me though, why did Vegeta never go into Super Saiyan 3 when he was powerful enough to do so.

 

[vagrant-718]

One thing always confused me though, why did Vegeta never go into Super Saiyan 3 when he was powerful enough to do so.

Goku's potential is higher than Vegeta

 

[vageneral08]

Goku knew there was a power to be attained regardless. He didn't put in any training to become a Super Saiyan 4 no differently than Vegeta. Both of them became apes, since the moon waves thing only triggered Vegeta growing into a giant ape, he had to regain his own consciousness to transform into Super Saiyan 4. The machine never gave him power, it just gave him the means to transform, like Goku's tail pull.

And like I told vagrant, the Majin thing could have given him the rage to transform into Super Saiyan 2, but not necessarily the power to. Remember Gohan only went to that level with pure rage, once when he was fighting Goku in the time chamber, then the next after Android 16 died where he was able to maintain it. But again, that's up for debate, since we never know what level Vegeta gets to before giving himself to Babidi.

I may agree with you on that vegeta arguement on level 2 but the thing is being controlled by majin does give you extra power, look at those other monsters being controlled like that devil looking muthafucka he wont shit until he got controlled by majin then he became stronger