The Silence of the Lambs vs. Se7en

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"But as I remember it Seven lacks the substance"

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Se7en was crucial. The scene where John Doe is in the car explaining everything is insane, dude telling the cops how John Doe forced him to fuck a broad with a spike on his dick is insane, the way he did sloth was just so fucked up and twisted, got damn bruh.
 
not_osirus_jenkins;8182755 said:
#1hiphopjunki3;8182685 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLDhMU5JvMk

Man that shit had me thrown!! I was like Brad was, yelling 'what's in the fucking box Morgan freeman!?!?'

"What's in the fuckin box!?"

vs.

"Putthelotioninthebucket!"
 
Lab Baby;8176268 said:
earth two superman;8175836 said:
Lab Baby;8175795 said:
Se7en had one of the greatest plots and twist endings ever. Way ahead of its time.

But Jodie Foster made a nigga shoot at a president. And Hannibal Lector>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Was it this movie though? I always thought it was her in Taxi Driver

Nope. This happened in real life. Look up John Hinckley Jr. Dude was a stan before Stan.

no I know it was real life. I meant that Hinckley was inspired to shoot RR because he was a pedo obsessed with Jodie in Taxi Driver, not in Lambs.
 
Both are great movies but I have to agree with Broddie that Silence of the Lambs is a masterpiece and Se7en is just a great movie. Neither Hannibal or Red Dragon were bad movies but they kinda watered down the perfectness that was Silence of the Lambs, plus Silence of the Lambs has one of the greatest movie posters of all-time, it's one that you remember when strolling down the video aisles when you were a kid not to mention when you look closer there's like seven dead bodies that make up the skull that's in the moth's mouth.
 
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Gr8 pole but Se7en takes this. Absolute classic. This and Fight Club are probably Fincher's best films and the chemistry between Morgan Freeman and Brad Pit was great. Love everything about this film. The lighting/cinematography is insane. The plot twist is mind blowing. Denzel was in talks to do Brad Pitt's part.. I wonder how that would have turned out.
 
a-grave247;8192198 said:
Gr8 pole but Se7en takes this. Absolute classic. This and Fight Club are probably Fincher's best films and the chemistry between Morgan Freeman and Brad Pit was great. Love everything about this film. The lighting/cinematography is insane. The plot twist is mind blowing. Denzel was in talks to do Brad Pitt's part.. I wonder how that would have turned out.

C/S the bold.
 
Not even close ....

And lol @ "no substance"

What the fuck was buffalo bills motive? Just wearing fat suits cos it's cool?

The motive is clearly articulated in Seven
 
a-grave247;8192198 said:
Gr8 pole but Se7en takes this. Absolute classic. This and Fight Club are probably Fincher's best films and the chemistry between Morgan Freeman and Brad Pit was great. Love everything about this film. The lighting/cinematography is insane. The plot twist is mind blowing. Denzel was in talks to do Brad Pitt's part.. I wonder how that would have turned out.

It would've went good until the end when Denzel has to show emotion. I can't fathom him screaming "what's in the fucking box?" with that "just caught my parents fucking" look he does in every single emotional scene he ever did.

For some reason now I feel like watching John Q.

 
Lab Baby;8200290 said:
a-grave247;8192198 said:
Gr8 pole but Se7en takes this. Absolute classic. This and Fight Club are probably Fincher's best films and the chemistry between Morgan Freeman and Brad Pit was great. Love everything about this film. The lighting/cinematography is insane. The plot twist is mind blowing. Denzel was in talks to do Brad Pitt's part.. I wonder how that would have turned out.

It would've went good until the end when Denzel has to show emotion. I can't fathom him screaming "what's in the fucking box?" with that "just caught my parents fucking" look he does in every single emotional scene he ever did.

For some reason now I feel like watching John Q.

Loool Denzel's a great actor, but hasn't shown vulnerability and I agree I don't think he could pull off that scene.
 
Se7en is a great movie (I own it). However the characters/writing in SOTL are superior. The character of Dr. Lecter alone puts this ahead of Se7en because John Doe is simply not as fascinating to me. As far as his character, he's not even on screen for the vast majority of the film. We get no interaction with him until the end for the surprise twist, so there's nothing really to feed off of. On the other hand Lecter is introduced at the beginning. He's cultured, he's a doctor, he eats people, he can convince someone to swallow their own tongue, in other words he's more interesting. In comparison to Brad/Morgan, the writers of SOTL actually bothered to flesh out Jodie Foster's character. Se7en gives a little bit of lip service to some marital problems between Gwyneth and Brad, but that's really on the back burner (until they exploit it for the twist ending). Foster's character, on the other hand, has a backstory that is integral to the storyline. The writers devote a great deal of time to letting the audience know the type of woman she is and how her inner demons influence her behaviors and the storyline.

Anyway, the twist at the end of Se7en is good, but the other 99% of the film is basically 6 inventive crime scenes. I've seen this (albeit to a lesser extent) in many other films. I've yet to see anything rivaling SOTL as far as crime procedurals go. One of my all time favorites.
 
Iheart~Cali;8220185 said:
Se7en is a great movie (I own it). However the characters/writing in SOTL are superior. The character of Dr. Lecter alone puts this ahead of Se7en because John Doe is simply not as fascinating to me. As far as his character, he's not even on screen for the vast majority of the film. We get no interaction with him until the end for the surprise twist, so there's nothing really to feed off of. On the other hand Lecter is introduced at the beginning. He's cultured, he's a doctor, he eats people, he can convince someone to swallow their own tongue, in other words he's more interesting. In comparison to Brad/Morgan, the writers of SOTL actually bothered to flesh out Jodie Foster's character. Se7en gives a little bit of lip service to some marital problems between Gwyneth and Brad, but that's really on the back burner (until they exploit it for the twist ending). Foster's character, on the other hand, has a backstory that is integral to the storyline. The writers devote a great deal of time to letting the audience know the type of woman she is and how her inner demons influence her behaviors and the storyline.

Anyway, the twist at the end of Se7en is good, but the other 99% of the film is basically 6 inventive crime scenes. I've seen this (albeit to a lesser extent) in many other films. I've yet to see anything rivaling SOTL as far as crime procedurals go. One of my all time favorites.

Thank you for eloquently elaborating on what I hinted at earlier in this thread.

There have been actual thesis papers written on the psychology of both Starling and Hannibal as presented in this picture that's how layered their character arcs really are. It's also one of the most accurate depictions of the FBI in film history. It was so deeply ingrained in the FBI DNA that Scott Glenn didn't come back as Jack Crawford for Hannibal because he was so disturbed by the tapes of real life murder victims Jonathan Demme had him listen to just so that he could get used to the psychology of being an FBI director.

The amount of actual depth in content and overall care put into that film is kinda mindblowing.

 
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Iheart~Cali;8220185 said:
Se7en is a great movie (I own it). However the characters/writing in SOTL are superior. The character of Dr. Lecter alone puts this ahead of Se7en because John Doe is simply not as fascinating to me. As far as his character, he's not even on screen for the vast majority of the film. We get no interaction with him until the end for the surprise twist, so there's nothing really to feed off of. On the other hand Lecter is introduced at the beginning. He's cultured, he's a doctor, he eats people, he can convince someone to swallow their own tongue, in other words he's more interesting. In comparison to Brad/Morgan, the writers of SOTL actually bothered to flesh out Jodie Foster's character. Se7en gives a little bit of lip service to some marital problems between Gwyneth and Brad, but that's really on the back burner (until they exploit it for the twist ending). Foster's character, on the other hand, has a backstory that is integral to the storyline. The writers devote a great deal of time to letting the audience know the type of woman she is and how her inner demons influence her behaviors and the storyline.

Anyway, the twist at the end of Se7en is good, but the other 99% of the film is basically 6 inventive crime scenes. I've seen this (albeit to a lesser extent) in many other films. I've yet to see anything rivaling SOTL as far as crime procedurals go. One of my all time favorites.

I would say Brad and Morgan character's relationship is more important to the plot than Brad and Gwen, and serves to develop their character's background... it's set up from the very first scene when Brad shows up ready for action and Morgan just brushes him off and asks him questions like wtf are doing in a place like this...

Morgan is close to retirement, set in his ways, methodical and cautious... he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did if he was like Brad's character, throwing caution to the wind, kickin down doors and jumping out windows... john could've murked him if he wanted to but held off to teach Brad a lesson...

Brad underestimated Doe, saw him as simply a crazy person instead of the calculated murderer that was built up throughout the whole movie. So when the twist came, it was the culmination of everything we saw before... Morgan wouldn't have shot Doe, but Morgan would've never gotten himself in that position in the first place...
 

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