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white715;943904 said:
Yeah Wu was inspired by Rakim and G rap but they took take and evoled and added more onto it, NWA was gangsta thats their claim to fame and only two of them dudes wrote their own lyrics. Ad what rappers was scared of NWA everyone of them dudes except for Ren has been publicly Sonned or beat up and/or robbed. I do love NWA tho No Hate

What does writing lyrics have to do w/ anything? It was a group effort and the same could be said for NWA in regard to building on Ice T, SkoolyD and Just Ice. There's just no way that the Wu is more revolutionary than NWA. Dre did his DeathRow and Aftermath thing, Eazy had Ruthless, and Cube had distribution through Priority. Just looking at the artists that came through those guys is crazy. From Snoop to Em through Dre, from Bone to BEP through Eazy, from Westside Connect through Cube. All of that came from the roots of NWA.
 
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any youngins that disagree with this thread or stay hatin on Wu-Tang should have their Hip Hop pass revoked.
 
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Wu tang clan aint nothing to fuck with... 9 niggas with different styles...And you couldnt find another 9 niggas to duplicate it. They werent revolutionary in anyway, but they helped usher in NY's 90s takeover
 
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FOH with Wu not being revolutionary in ''anyway''. they revolutionized marketing in Hip Hop and were the first brand to have a global footprint with clothing lines and merchandise. they revolutionized the entire idea of a Hip Hip group where members could get independent solo deals and break out successfully on their own while still supporting the Wu-Tang brand. not much else in the history of Hip Hop was more revolutionary and has left a more lasting impression on the game then Wu-Tang.
 
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georgia boi;943860 said:
NWA wasn't imitating and the legacy of NWA>>>>>>>>>>>Wu.

like certain heads are saying, schoolly d, ice t, just ice started that gangsta shit on records, nwa took it to the next level on a worldwide commercial level, g rap, ra, pe set the template for wu to flourish in the 90's

but wu brought all of these elements to the table, plus i'm not gunning(dissing) nwa or anything, there one of my favorite groups too, but they was more brotherhood wit the wu, even now, despite minor beefs between members, which is even in that, quite acceptable if you have a large family and have had personaly experienced family beef and family politics, you get what i'm saying, even wit that, they have been able to move past that shit and keep it moving, seeing the bigger picture after all of these years when other groups have come and gone, you see what i'm saying and they were all from the streets, from the roads, you get me like, they shot to pieces that stereotype that human being brothers from the roads can't get along for an extended amount of time in this type of commercial bizness setting, inspiring and promoting loyalty like legendary street crews on the roads that do there thing in the streets and when the boys in blue come wit them football numbers, everybody holds there waters and don't rat, you see what i'm saying, that shit is revolutionary in it's self, plus there bars are still sharp and from a technical, lyrical level, still better than 90% of the competition
 
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LONDON!;944217 said:
like certain heads are saying, schoolly d, ice t, just ice started that gangsta shit on records, nwa took it to the next level on a worldwide commercial level, g rap, ra, pe set the template for wu to flourish in the 90's

but wu brought all of these elements to the table, plus i'm not gunning(dissing) nwa or anything, there one of my favorite groups too, but they was more brotherhood wit the wu, even now, despite minor beefs between members, which is even in that, quite acceptable if you have a large family and have had personaly experienced family beef and family politics, you get what i'm saying, even wit that, they have been able to move past that shit and keep it moving, seeing the bigger picture after all of these years when other groups have come and gone, you see what i'm saying and they were all from the streets, from the roads, you get me like, they shot to pieces that stereotype that human being brothers from the roads can't get along for an extended amount of time in this type of commercial bizness setting, inspiring and promoting loyalty like legendary street crews on the roads that do there thing in the streets and when the boys in blue come wit them football numbers, everybody holds there waters and don't rat, you see what i'm saying, that shit is revolutionary in it's self, plus there bars are still sharp and from a technical, lyrical level, still better than 90% of the competition

Most of what you said could be applied to other groups. The only knock against NWA is that internal conflicts led to their break up, but even today, there's still comraderie amongst Dre, Ren and Cube. Even still, it's laughable to say Wu Tang is the MOST revolutionary group in Hip Hop especially when compared to the likes of Public Enemy and NWA.
 
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georgia boi;944234 said:
Most of what you said could be applied to other groups. The only knock against NWA is that internal conflicts led to their break up, but even today, there's still comraderie amongst Dre, Ren and Cube. Even still, it's laughable to say Wu Tang is the MOST revolutionary group in Hip Hop especially when compared to the likes of Public Enemy and NWA.

my bad fam, i wasn't actually quoting you in that previous post, that was a typing mistake, i was talking in general from what everyone is saying on this thread i didn't mean to quote anyone to make my point

but from your quote above, what other groups are you talking about from the 90's thats had a worldwide affect and movements on the streets, worldwide and i'm talking about on heads, human beings living that real road life, from the streets?

like on some its bigger than music type vibe, its the bigger picture, from, ny to london, to paris and amsterdam and so on and so on, you see what i'm saying
 
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Hey Mumo, i got you on this one. You make a good point here. Wu is on another level. Cats keep coming in here hating on good Hip Hop, it makes me question their taste and their validity in this forum. I ride with you on this one.
 
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Wu Tang Quotes.. Real AS Fuck !

”Check the print, it's where veterans spark the letterings, slow moving emcees is waitin for the editin”-G

Does it pay to be deaf, dumb and blind? From a slave we was kept from the mind” Killah Priest

These friendly skies aint for you, they for me and mine
this the year of the grimy nigga, Ragtime
peep these niggas on the run, peep my clan emblem
iron lung aint got to tell you where its comin from"
-Method Man

One two, and you don't stop, yo
My eyes is sore, bein a senator
Behind closed doors hittin truth to the seafloor
The rich go North ignore, the tug of war
While the kids are poor, open new and better drug stores
So I became hardcore, couldn't take it no more
I'ma reveal EVERYTHING, change the law
I find myself, walkin the streets
Tryin to find what's really goin on in the streets-- ODB
 
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Really I f*ck with this song HARD..... Wu Tang is the best

[video=youtube;CE3hb__ylG4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE3hb__ylG4[/video]
 
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georgia boi;943999 said:
What does writing lyrics have to do w/ anything? It was a group effort and the same could be said for NWA in regard to building on Ice T, SkoolyD and Just Ice. There's just no way that the Wu is more revolutionary than NWA. Dre did his DeathRow and Aftermath thing, Eazy had Ruthless, and Cube had distribution through Priority. Just looking at the artists that came through those guys is crazy. From Snoop to Em through Dre, from Bone to BEP through Eazy, from Westside Connect through Cube. All of that came from the roots of NWA.

Naw fam still gotta say Wu got this they were original be the same can't be said for NWA and Wu tang influenced more artists after them. They was the first with they own clothing line firs to have the type of record contract they had, first to incorporate the chinese philosophy into their music first niggas that was playing chess in Hip-Hop. The Wu logo is the most recognizable logo in rap still after all theses years. And peep the editorial on AHH that shows fans gettin the Wu tatted on them no other group has the following in their prime that Wu has now. Not to mention that Wu has put out more classic material the NWA.
 
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white715;946638 said:
Naw fam still gotta say Wu got this they were original be the same can't be said for NWA and Wu tang influenced more artists after them. They was the first with they own clothing line firs to have the type of record contract they had, first to incorporate the chinese philosophy into their music first niggas that was playing chess in Hip-Hop. The Wu logo is the most recognizable logo in rap still after all theses years. And peep the editorial on AHH that shows fans gettin the Wu tatted on them no other group has the following in their prime that Wu has now. Not to mention that Wu has put out more classic material the NWA.

Again, the Wu were about as original as NWA. The most unique thing about Wu was that it was 9 emcees with different styles in one group. Their subject matter and content was no different from Ra, G. Rap or Slick Rick. ODB was the only member of the group that was really an original. There really was no father to his style. Wu Tang having more classic material than NWA is arguable especially if you count solos.

Wu Tang definitely did not influence more artists than NWA. That's definitely laughable especially when you have artists like Scarface and the Geto Boys, T.I., the whole No Limit movement, OutKast and several other artists that have cited the group as an influence. Most of the West Coast artists that blew up were affiliated w/ NWA in some form or fashion like Warren G, Nate Dogg, Snoop, The Game, The D.O.C. etc.

If you want to talk revolutionary, let's talk about how NWA's name bearing what is thought of as the most derogatory word in the English language. They had an album with the word spelled backwords on it. That's huge especially at the time that they debuted. The U.S. government wanted their music banned. All of the business moves that you are crediting the Wu with are things that they pioneered. The only thing revolutionary were the solo deals that each member had w/ different labels. Even still, you had NWA revolutionizing the independent game. When you look at the labels and legacies that came out of NWA, this shouldn't even be arguable.
 
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