The Real Talk Thread...

[judahxulu]

Gospel rappers dont make stuf that anybody besides other church people can relate to. Gospel rap is basically preaching to the choir. Ok we get it...your goal is to convince us to be Christians. Well at least be entertaining in your failed attempt to do so...

Kanyes Jesus Walks shits on anything ever mad by a gospel rapper and I aint even a Kanye fan or a Christian.

Gospel rappers should take lessons from Mary Mary. They know how to make music non-church people can relate to because they aint overbearing with their religious conviction. Gospel rappers seem to think that belief in Jesus is an adequate substitute for creativity and good songwriting.

 

[CirocObama]

So other rappers incorporated chinese philosophy into their music and played chess and had clothing brands before wu? Rza revolutionized production while Dre piggy backed the whole G funk thing off of Erick Sermen,the bomb squad and sir jinx. Yo cats definetly ain't up on yall history Ice T was making the same type of music NWA was. This is a group that is only praised for being the first gangsta rappers which they were not so how is that revolutionary? Yeah snoop and Em and Bone was signed by these guys but you can't sit here and act like they were apart of NWA besides Snoop and Em both cite Rakim as their major influence. NWA didn't have different label until they broke up niggas was all under ruthless records before that point. And Richard Prior and Paul Mooney was using the word nigga proudly in the 70s don't act like they was the firstr black people to ever use the word.

Soooooo much wrong shit in this post. SMH i have to laugh.

 

[Ounceman]

I agree with most sentiments previously stated about gospel rappers. but there is a gospel rap group that isnt half bad. they go by g.r.i.t.s. they dont often condescendingly talk down to individuals who dont willingly conform to organized religion or theology

[video=youtube;BbBnoUgN2UM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbBnoUgN2UM&feature=related[/video]

[video=youtube;dj7oq04i9mc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj7oq04i9mc&feature=related[/video]

[video=youtube;t-yCg-0-baE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-yCg-0-baE&feature=related[/video]

 

[bigrizz]

Hip hoppers are going to hell

 

[stevieb]

yea, i have heard some that got great delivery but for the most part they corny.

yeah i know. even though i'm a christian I feel they can come off as being too preachy but I have heard some dudes spit about some real life stuff the only thing they did was just tie it in with Jesus but not in a corny way.

 

[white715]

Soooooo much wrong shit in this post. SMH i have to laugh.

Care to elaborate my brotha?

 

[lookdude]

ive heard a gospel song in autotune i swear to yall

 

[Mumo X]

So other rappers incorporated chinese philosophy into their music and played chess and had clothing brands before wu? Rza revolutionized production while Dre piggy backed the whole G funk thing off of Erick Sermen,the bomb squad and sir jinx. Yo cats definetly ain't up on yall history Ice T was making the same type of music NWA was. This is a group that is only praised for being the first gangsta rappers which they were not so how is that revolutionary? Yeah snoop and Em and Bone was signed by these guys but you can't sit here and act like they were apart of NWA besides Snoop and Em both cite Rakim as their major influence. NWA didn't have different label until they broke up niggas was all under ruthless records before that point. And Richard Prior and Paul Mooney was using the word nigga proudly in the 70s don't act like they was the firstr black people to ever use the word.

cosign this.....

 

[judahxulu]

ive heard a gospel song in autotune i swear to yall

You talking bout this. The beat goes hard though...

[video=youtube;C5qv1METBzM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5qv1METBzM[/video]

 

[Mumo X]

Hey Mumo, i got you on this one. You make a good point here. Wu is on another level. Cats keep coming in here hating on good Hip Hop, it makes me question their taste and their validity in this forum. I ride with you on this one.

Peace God!! Wu is our beatles bruh...Yeah u right bout todayz generation being Ignorant. Ive seen shock posts in this forum like "Nelly killed Krs1".they got the nerve to compare the teacher & a pop act..smh. Its like comparin kwame brown to Bill Russell...

 

[brombonze]

now you can't praise the lord without criticism smh

 

[mistaincredible]

"how can hiphop be dead if wu tang is forever"

 

[georgia boi]

So other rappers incorporated chinese philosophy into their music and played chess and had clothing brands before wu? Rza revolutionized production while Dre piggy backed the whole G funk thing off of Erick Sermen,the bomb squad and sir jinx. Yo cats definetly ain't up on yall history Ice T was making the same type of music NWA was. This is a group that is only praised for being the first gangsta rappers which they were not so how is that revolutionary? Yeah snoop and Em and Bone was signed by these guys but you can't sit here and act like they were apart of NWA besides Snoop and Em both cite Rakim as their major influence. NWA didn't have different label until they broke up niggas was all under ruthless records before that point. And Richard Prior and Paul Mooney was using the word nigga proudly in the 70s don't act like they was the firstr black people to ever use the word.

What does this have to do with anything? These are things that no one else incorported into their music even after the Wu, so no it wasn't game changing. As far as Hip Hop clothing lines are concerned, Phat Farm came before any clothing line that the Wu had. Rappers usually big up Russel Simmons as inspiration for the line not Wu. LOL @ Dre not revolutionizing Hip Hop production. Most producers who came up after Dre look up to his sound or bit it. Kanye West bit his drums for several tracks. As a matter of fact dude cited this on record especially as it concerned the big break in his career which was "This Can't Be Life." Dr. Dre was revolutionary wiith his drum programming. It influenced the way Timbaland programmed his drum which influenced the drum programming of the crop of producers that came after him.

You keep bringing up Ice T. Yes he was an influence, but don't act like Rakim wasn't as influential on the Wu. Same type of music. All of the 5% knowledge and teachings that Rakim was dropping back in the day has been incorporated into their styles. The mafiosos raps of Kool G. Rap was also incorporated. The way Slick Rick dressed was also incorporated. Rakim influencing Em and Snoop is beside the point. The point is that they were brought into the game by a member of NWA. Em makes references of Dre and NWA in several verses and Snoop was supposed to be a member of the crew back in '00. They even did a cover for The Source to promote it. Even though the group broke up, they still revolutionized the independent hustle in rap.

Lastly, of course Prior and Mooney used the "N" word proudly before Hip Hop adopted it, but musically, these guys made it a title and not a stigma. Never said that they were the first ever, but as it relates to HIP HOP, NWA was revolutionary with how they took the term and made it a part of the name of their group.

 

[P. Town]

Them niggas are corny, it be 300 of them niggas rappin about the same shit

 

[georgia boi]

I repeat: Wu Tang is NOT the most revolutionary group in Hip Hop. This is why NWA is revolutionary:

N.W.A.'s Straight Outta Compton was one of the first wildly successful Rap/Hip-Hop albums in America. It had massive popular appeal to all corners of society, by describing the hardships of the inner city African American youth during the 1980's. Years later, Straight Outta Compton is considered one of the most influential albums in the genre, reshaping the lyrics and style of Rap music for the next 15 years.

Without Straight Outta Compton, artists such as Scarface, 50 Cent, and Eminem could have never risen to prominence with the explicit lyrics messages they promoted, making Straight Outta Compton truly revolutionary

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1519025/80s_music_review_nwas_straight_outta.html?cat=33

N.W.A (Niggaz With Attitude) was a Compton, California-based hip hop group widely considered one of the seminal acts of the gangsta rap sub-genre. Active from 1986 to 1991, the group endured controversy due to the explicit, violent, and often misogynistic nature of their lyrics. They were subsequently banned from many mainstream U.S. radio stations and even at times prevented from touring - yet the group still sold over 9 million units in the U.S. alone.

Initially, the group’s relentless attack appeared to be serious, vital commentary, and it even provoked the FBI to caution N.W.A’s record company,

http://www.last.fm/music/N.W.A

The group can make the undeniable claim that they are single-handedly responsible for inspiring the multi-billion dollar gangsta rap industry.

We also know that Lil Wayne, TI, and almost none of the most prominent artists today would even exist had it not been for their “Hip Hop Grandfathers” out in Compton California.

On the good side, we can now see the impact that NWA had on the hip hop industry itself. We can also see how the group told the world about some of the atrocities taking place in hoods throughout America.

http://newsone.com/nation/boycewatkins/dr-boyce-was-nwa-political-genius-or-rebellious-teenagers/

^^^This article also critiques NWA and the negative impact that the group had on Hip Hop despite the article's author being a fan. It's unbiased.

 

[BackInWhite]

you ain't heard corny til you done heard 1 of they Christian remix songs
YEEEEEEAH O LEH DUU ET!!!
turns into
YEEEEEEAH HALLELUJAH!

 

[gum989]

now you can't praise the lord without criticism smh

What the fuck you mean "now"? Intelligent people have been critizing for years.

 

[white715]

I repeat: Wu Tang is NOT the most revolutionary group in Hip Hop. This is why NWA is revolutionary:

N.W.A.'s Straight Outta Compton was one of the first wildly successful Rap/Hip-Hop albums in America. It had massive popular appeal to all corners of society, by describing the hardships of the inner city African American youth during the 1980's. Years later, Straight Outta Compton is considered one of the most influential albums in the genre, reshaping the lyrics and style of Rap music for the next 15 years.

Without Straight Outta Compton, artists such as Scarface, 50 Cent, and Eminem could have never risen to prominence with the explicit lyrics messages they promoted, making Straight Outta Compton truly revolutionary

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1519025/80s_music_review_nwas_straight_outta.html?cat=33

N.W.A (Niggaz With Attitude) was a Compton, California-based hip hop group widely considered one of the seminal acts of the gangsta rap sub-genre. Active from 1986 to 1991, the group endured controversy due to the explicit, violent, and often misogynistic nature of their lyrics. They were subsequently banned from many mainstream U.S. radio stations and even at times prevented from touring - yet the group still sold over 9 million units in the U.S. alone.

Initially, the group’s relentless attack appeared to be serious, vital commentary, and it even provoked the FBI to caution N.W.A’s record company,

http://www.last.fm/music/N.W.A

The group can make the undeniable claim that they are single-handedly responsible for inspiring the multi-billion dollar gangsta rap industry.

We also know that Lil Wayne, TI, and almost none of the most prominent artists today would even exist had it not been for their “Hip Hop Grandfathers” out in Compton California.

On the good side, we can now see the impact that NWA had on the hip hop industry itself. We can also see how the group told the world about some of the atrocities taking place in hoods throughout America.

http://newsone.com/nation/boycewatkins/dr-boyce-was-nwa-political-genius-or-rebellious-teenagers/

^^^This article also critiques NWA and the negative impact that the group had on Hip Hop despite the article's author being a fan. It's unbiased.

Wu-tang's movement is greater than NWA period I'm puttin up facts on here about both groups. NWA had a good run andthey are mistakenly credited with creating gangsta rap if you consider that revolutionary I can't argue your opinion.. But PE was the most revolutionary movement in music the was going strong until the powers that be put an end to itbut thats way too deep for some on here.

 

[yeah i rap so don't]

Christianity is a fucking joke

 

[georgia boi]

Wu-tang's movement is greater than NWA period I'm puttin up facts on here about both groups. NWA had a good run andthey are mistakenly credited with creating gangsta rap if you consider that revolutionary I can't argue your opinion.. But PE was the most revolutionary movement in music the was going strong until the powers that be put an end to itbut thats way too deep for some on here.

Wu Tang was revolutionary, but in no way, shape, form or fashion was their movement greater than NWA's. NWA was more influential and had way more impact. Making the claim that Wu Tang is the most revolutionary group in Hip Hop history is abusrd and the claim is a slap in the face to groups like Public Enemy and NWA who actually had to go against the system for their music. I'd place P.E. over NWA in terms of being revolutionary, but to say the Wu is more revolutionary is laughable. Yes, Wu Tang is one of the greatest groups of all time without question, but a lot of the statements being made here about the Wu are exaggerations. There's been a whole lot of hyperbolic statements, not necessarily being made by you, being made in this thread without anything to back up the claim.