rooster_cogburn
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RD is in the Top 3 of albums I ever heard. Lyricism, storytelling, production, subject matter. Still listen to it.
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thecomebacklegend
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rooster_cogburn;3163530 said:
stop reading after the bold
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rooster_cogburn
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DMTxCannabis;3163550 said:
Sheep-ass nigga who doesnt understand everyone is different^^^^^
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5th Letter
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reasonable doubt is the best album of 96 imo.
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rapmastermind
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Well the Source gave it 4 out the gate and re-rated it a 5 about 5 years later. Again I don't get some of you guys logic. You say "It wasn't the best album of the year" So in order to be a Classic it has to be the best album of the year now?. Then you say, "It didn't sell well". For a solo New York Act in 96, GOLD is very good. He also had a "GOLD" single from "Dead Presidents". NaS sold the most records for a new york solo act in 96 with "It Was Written" and that album is not considered a Classic nor was it the best album of the year. "Reasonable Doubt" is easily Top 5 of 96 and it is clearly one of the best debut rap albums of all time. Just because Jay ethered all you people that slept on it doesn't mean you can be mad it's a Classic now:
"I gave ya'll prophecy on my 1st joint, and ya'll all lamed out, you didn't appreciate it, till the 2nd one came out" - Jay
NaS could use the very same line as it took "ILLmatic" 2 years to even go GOLD., "Cuban Linx" also took some time to sell. Any New York Classic except "Ready To Die" did not sell that great during that era. I don't see how an album with:
Dead Presidents
BK Finest
Can I Live
Devils
Bring It On
Friend or Foe
Coming of Age
Feelin It
Can't Knock the Hustle
Politics as Usual
Regrets
22 two's
Cashmere Thoughts
Is not a CLASSIC album. The only song I left off was "Ain't No Nigga" and how is that not an ILL song? it was the only real mainstream track on the album. The whole album is fire from beginning to end. Jay Z never spit this much fire for the rest of the career. It is also his best PRODUCED album to. "BLUEprint" was dope mostly cause of the production but Jay did not come harder lyrically like he did on "RD". The fact is the album did very well for a new artist from New York. Biggie was the only solo rapper moving Huge units in NY during that time.
NaS did move some also but nobody else was selling like that. 2 Pac died that year, of course he had a huge year. The Fugees were worldwide. So comparing RD to what happen with them doesn't really fly to me. Outkast was the biggest southern Act at that time so of course they started to sell. I brought it in the summer of 96 (You know the copy without Can I Live II on it). Thought it was Classic then and still think it's a Classic today. I'm just glad the rest of the world caught up. You see most Jay Z fans came along during "Hard Knock Life" and didn't get live when this album dropped. I was there and the album did get props, "Ain't No Nigga" blew which help the album go GOLD. At the end of the day, it may not have been Classic when it dropped but it's 14 years later, It's not really debatable it's Classic status now especially comparing it to the rest of Jay's catalog.
TOP 10 of 96:
1. All Eyes on Me
2. The Score
3. Reasonable Dobut
4. ATLIens
5. Makaveli
6. It Was Written
7. Muddy Waters
8. Hell On Earth
9. Iron Man
10. Stakes is High
Honorable Mention: Legal Drug Money, The Coming, Soul as Ice, Beats Rhymes and Life, Riding Dirty, At the Speed of Life.
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Makaveli The King
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rapmastermind;3163847 said:
Well the Source gave it 4 out the gate and re-rated it a 5 about 5 years later. Again I don't get some of you guys logic. You say "It wasn't the best album of the year" So in order to be a Classic it has to be the best album of the year now?. Then you say, "It didn't sell well". For a solo New York Act in 96, GOLD is very good. He also had a "GOLD" single from "Dead Presidents". NaS sold the most records for a new york solo act in 96 with "It Was Written" and that album is not considered a Classic nor was it the best album of the year. "Reasonable Doubt" is easily Top 5 of 96 and it is clearly one of the best debut rap albums of all time. Just because Jay ethered all you people that slept on it doesn't mean you can be mad it's a Classic now:
"I gave ya'll prophecy on my 1st joint, and ya'll all lamed out, you didn't appreciate it, till the 2nd one came out" - Jay
NaS could use the very same line as it took "ILLmatic" 2 years to even go GOLD., "Cuban Linx" also took some time to sell. Any New York Classic except "Ready To Die" did not sell that great during that era. I don't see how an album with:
Dead Presidents
BK Finest
Can I Live
Devils
Bring It On
Friend or Foe
Coming of Age
Feelin It
Can't Knock the Hustle
Politics as Usual
Regrets
22 two's
Cashmere Thoughts
Is not a CLASSIC album. The only song I left off was "Ain't No Nigga" and how is that not an ILL song? it was the only real mainstream track on the album. The whole album is fire from beginning to end. Jay Z never spit this much fire for the rest of the career. It is also his best PRODUCED album to. "BLUEprint" was dope mostly cause of the production but Jay did not come harder lyrically like he did on "RD". The fact is the album did very well for a new artist from New York. Biggie was the only solo rapper moving Huge units in NY during that time.
NaS did move some also but nobody else was selling like that. 2 Pac died that year, of course he had a huge year. The Fugees were worldwide. So comparing RD to what happen with them doesn't really fly to me. I brought it in the summer of 96 (You know the copy without Can I Live II on it). Thought it was Classic then and still think it's a Classic today. I'm just glad the rest of the world caught up. You see most Jay Z fans came along during "Hard Knock Life" and didn't get live when this album dropped. I was there and the album did get props, "Ain't No Nigga" blew which help the album go GOLD. At the end of the day, it may not have been Classic when it dropped but it's 14 years later, It's not really debatable it's Classic status now especially comparing it to the rest of Jay's catalog.
im not saying it is not a classic im saying it's overrated and it's not jay best work
these are the facts it did'nt sell well and new york wasn't dick riding him like they are now
because they was dick riding another new yorker named biggie
and pac diding had nothing to do with him being a high selling artist
you extreme deluisonal for saying that pac was the man that
year with all eyez on me and so was the fugees case closed.
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[Trillmatic]
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soul on ice is better than ALOT of albums lolMakaveli The King;3160731 said:
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Makaveli The King
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;3164234 said:
lol i know.
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rooster_cogburn
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DMTxCannabis;3164210 said:
u fuckin right u a sheep-ass nigga. u want others to agree with u, and if they dont, they're following the "trend". this music shit is subjective, and everybody aint gon like the same music. u bum ass niggas need to get that thru your heads.
take the threads that always start with "so we gon act like"..... wtf are you starting a thread like that for? everybody has different tastes, and im not gon shit on some nigga cuz he dont agree with me.
why dont niggas have this same discussion about movies, sports? Its all the same......
you sheep-ass nigga
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HipHopFiend91
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rooster_cogburn;3166007 said:
bolded for emphasis that's the problem with IC too many haters, there's more hating then there is appreciating. i got no problem with DMT though he cool..
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thesynthesis
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numbaz...80's baby;3166014 said:
its a "online forum" classic lmao
i cant from i never heard anyone mention RD in there top 5 let alone top 100 albums
but i aint in NY so i wudnt no about that
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VulcanRaven
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Makaveli The King;3160749 said:
Only album on the list close to RD is IWW.I own all of those albums except soul on ice and that fugees shit.Notice none of those albums besides IWW get props today over RD.Why do you think that? Because it was the better album.All Eyez on Me is Pac's worse album.If we are going to go by sales that Vanilla Ice and Hammer >>>>>>>>> rap in the 90s.Get the fuck out of here with this twisted logic.Who cares what people were listening to then? Jay was a new artist and we know what get's the respect now.Nigga talking like wrath of the math and hell on earth were major sellers and neither was nocturnal.
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thesynthesis
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Mad Jack;3166024 said:
AEOM was a career defining album for Pac,
same way Graduation was for Kanye and BP was for Jay....
you take AEOM outta Pacs catalogue, then you take away a large chunk of Pacs fame
AEOM is a 1996 classic, whichever way you spin it and his most memorable solo album, and cemented Pacs name as the no 1 rapper in the game....
RD is simply a internet forum classic
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HipHopFiend91
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thesynthesis;3166023 said:
people on the West bump jay-z though it just isn't NY why do you act like u know what every one is listening to.
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HipHopFiend91
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thesynthesis;3166030 said:
nah bruh 7 day theory was pac's peak.
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thesynthesis
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HipHopFiend91;3166032 said:
jayz other albums yes....however RD no
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