The Real Talk Thread...

[ItzGravitation]

Ha. Whatever you say.

i know its true

its no debate who has done more for Hip Hop

2 albums aint much for Hip Hop

Lupe done that already

 

[damobb2deep]

In what way(s) do Trap Muzik, King, and Paper Trail >>> Ready To Die? And I want you to give me something other than "it's my opinion. i think so."

paper trail was a cd that showed T.I commin of age...( if it was force or not is debatable)....

king showed this nigga had star power and was not just how do east coast niggas say " another southern rapper/ coon"

trap muzik showed his grind and that this nigga worked 2 wherre he was now

im serious ( even tho he floped @ first) was his debute album that had depth...

 

[Question Authority]

i know its true

its no debate who has done more for Hip Hop

2 albums aint much for Hip Hop

Lupe done that already

I'm not going to detail Biggie's significance to the genre. I'll just say that Biggie did more with those two albums, than most artists have done with a discography of 9+ albums. If there was no Biggie, there'd most likely be no T.I.

 

[ItzGravitation]

I'm not going to detail Biggie's significance to the genre. I'll just say that Biggie did more with those two albums, than most artists have done with a discography of 9+ albums. If there was no Biggie, there'd most likely be no T.I.

unless BIG fathered TI(which he didnt) thats bullshit

why dudes always got these bullshit ifs and buts

"If Pac was alive Jay wouldnt...."

"If BIG was alive TI....."

gtfoh

 

[damobb2deep]

I'm not going to detail Biggie's significance to the genre. I'll just say that Biggie did more with those two albums, than most artists have done with a discography of 9+ albums. If there was no Biggie, there'd most likely be no T.I.

t.i started off os a " trap rapper" so thats not true....

 

[Question Authority]

unless BIG fathered TI(which he didnt) thats bullshit

why dudes always got these bullshit ifs and buts

"If Pac was alive Jay wouldnt...."

"If BIG was alive TI....."

gtfoh

Seeing as how Biggie was/is responsible for commercializing the genre and advocating/popularizing that hustla lifestyle, there'd be no T.I. if there was no Biggie.

 

[ItzGravitation]

Seeing as how Biggie was/is responsible for commercializing the genre and advocating/popularizing that hustla lifestyle, there'd be no T.I. if there was no Biggie.

NWA was talking about selling drugs and shit

BIG didnt do shit but what Puff said and die

thats all he did for Hip Hop

 

[damobb2deep]

unless BIG fathered TI(which he didnt) thats bullshit

why dudes always got these bullshit ifs and buts

"If Pac was alive Jay wouldnt...."

"If BIG was alive TI....."

gtfoh

true niggas do this.......

think about it pac and big both would be pushin 40 now... they both would woulda had time 2 fall off

shyt in 98 mystical was the shyt.... now look @ him....

 

[Question Authority]

NWA was talking about selling drugs and shit

BIG didnt do shit but what Puff said and die

thats all he did for Hip Hop

Lol. Okay man. You seem to be stuck in your ways, so there's no point in going back and forth. Just know that with his two albums, Biggie increased New York's visibility within the mainstream, at a time when hip-hop was being dominated primarily by west coast artists. He set up the stage for the likes of Jay-Z and Nas to crossover and have success on top 40 radio.

T.I. has never had an album be that impactful.

 

[ItzGravitation]

Lol. Okay man. You seem to be stuck in your ways, so there's no point in going back and forth. Just know that with his two albums, Biggie increased New York's visibility within the mainstream, at a time when hip-hop was being dominated primarily by west coast artists. He set up the stage for the likes of Jay-Z and Nas to crossover and have success on top 40 radio.

T.I. has never had an album be that impactful.

King? Paper Trail? TI vs TIP

when they dropped thats all niggas was talkin bout

NY been on the rap scene so save the bullshit for a rodeo

Nas aint never been commercially successful so thats bullshit

and who knows if Jay would be were he is or further ahead if BIG didnt do what he did

no one truly knows so quit the bullshit

its 2010

 

[damobb2deep]

Lol. Okay man. You seem to be stuck in your ways, so there's no point in going back and forth. Just know that with his two albums, Biggie increased New York's visibility within the mainstream, at a time when hip-hop was being dominated primarily by west coast artists. He set up the stage for the likes of Jay-Z and Nas to crossover and have success on top 40 radio.

T.I. has never had an album be that impactful.

just cause u the "first" ( which is not true cause run dmc was the first) doent mean u the best.....

 

[Question Authority]

King? Paper Trail? TI vs TIP

when they dropped thats all niggas was talkin bout

NY been on the rap scene so save the bullshit for a rodeo

Nas aint never been commercially successful so thats bullshit

and who knows if Jay would be were he is or further ahead if BIG didnt do what he did

no one truly knows so quit the bullshit

its 2010

Nas has never been commercially successful? Okay man.

NYC has always been on the scene. True. That's where Hip Hop was birthed. I don't know if you're old enough to remember but there was a time when East coast rap became obsolete, and the West took over. Biggie shifted focus from the West Coast BACK to the East Coast. And he did that single-handedly.

And who knows where Jay would be right now? All I know is that Biggie preceded him. And because of that proximity, Biggie set the trend for Jay.

 

[ItzGravitation]

Nas has never been commercially successful? Okay man.

NYC has always been on the scene. True. That's where Hip Hop was birthed. I don't know if you're old enough to remember but there was a time when East coast rap became obsolete, and the West took over. Biggie shifted focus from the West Coast BACK to the East Coast. And he did that single-handedly.

And who knows where Jay would be right now? All I know is that Biggie preceded him. And because of that proximity, Biggie set the trend for Jay.

BIG died

thats all he did, Dude didnt single handedly bring the East back cuz he had help from Puff, Faith and several others

BIG did not produce his own albums, record himself, direct his videos, and pay for it

if anything Puff brought NY back for believing in BIG

Nas sucks and never has been commercially successful. deal with it

 

[Question Authority]

BIG died

thats all he did, Dude didnt single handedly bring the East back cuz he had help from Puff, Faith and several others

BIG did not produce his own albums, record himself, direct his videos, and pay for it

if anything Puff brought NY back for believing in BIG

Nas sucks and never has been commercially successful. deal with it

Faith? LOL. Faith isn't even a legend within her own genre. Let's not talk about what she did for Hip Hop and the East coast.

And Biggie's legend increased when he died. That happens with anyone, though. It happened with Aaliyah. It happened with Pac. Left Eye, etc. But let's not pretend that Biggie wasn't a superstar while he was alive, because he was. Anyone who says he wasn't must have not been old enough to remember how much Biggie had the game on lock in '94-'97.

And Nas has definitely had commercial success. Maybe not so much now, but he was definitely there at one point.

 

[Question Authority]

just cause u the "first" ( which is not true cause run dmc was the first) doent mean u the best.....

Truthfully, I think you made this thread just to see how many people you could get to respond.

 

[ItzGravitation]

Faith? LOL. Faith isn't even a legend within her own genre. Let's not talk about what she did for Hip Hop and the East coast.

And Biggie's legend increased when he died. That happens with anyone, though. It happened with Aaliyah. It happened with Pac. Left Eye, etc. But let's not pretend that Biggie wasn't a superstar while he was alive, because he was. Anyone who says he wasn't must have not been old enough to remember how much Biggie had the game on lock in '94-'97.

And Nas has definitely had commercial success. Maybe not so much now, but he was definitely there at one point.

every rapper who made an album got play back then

i'm talkking about now(2000s) where dude aint had a plat album too many times and you never hear that bullshit on the radio

Pac had it on lock more than BIG

 

[damobb2deep]

Nas has never been commercially successful? Okay man.

NYC has always been on the scene. True. That's where Hip Hop was birthed. I don't know if you're old enough to remember but there was a time when East coast rap became obsolete, and the West took over. Biggie shifted focus from the West Coast BACK to the East Coast. And he did that single-handedly.

And who knows where Jay would be right now? All I know is that Biggie preceded him. And because of that proximity, Biggie set the trend for Jay.

since the late 80's the east coast has been number 2 coast... and thats been for the last 20 years....

 

[damobb2deep]

(T.I. Talking: Still ain't forgave myself.. damn

It's a lotta fucked up shit that go down man..

You don't even know the half..)

[Verse 1]

Man I been in and outta trouble since an adolescents

Spoiled rotten, dead fresh, wit no daddy present

I got two uncles, Quint and Man and they keep me straight

7 and 8, I'm countin money while they movin weight

My daddy send me clothes and always tell me come and see him

I say aiight but still I feelin like my momma need him

They sendin letters home from school, nobody read mines

And plus my uncles, doin 10 years F.E.D. time

Then I started rebellin, began crack sellin

Tha littlest thang on the corner wit a Mac 11

After school I hear my momma holla homework

I say aiight ma, but look I got my own work

Started interactin wit fiends at the age of 13

Now my momma findin rocks in my socks, glocks in my toy box

Like damn, why do trouble come to me like this

But on the real, it ain't even have to be like this (fuck)

[Hook]

Mistakes made on this road to wealth

I still ain't forgave myself

Ay, what I am today

I made myself but I still ain't forgave myself

For runnin to the grave getting closer to death

I still ain't forgave my self

For anyone who ever wondered how I felt

I still ain't forgave myself

[Verse 2]

At 14 man, thought I knew everything

I'm slangin slabs, trappin hard, movin heavy Cain

I bought an '85 cutlass on some dane-a-danes

Now I'm the shit, huh, the motor blew in 30 days

Hardheaded man I ain't listen to anything

I'm getting money so, I'm right and I got plenty game

Besides why I need school, Im'ma be rappin momma

If that don't work, then I guess Im'ma be trappin momma

But hey I promise Im'ma make it cause I'm damn good

Im'ma get us out this hood and off these can goods

School just a white man game, and it's ran good

At 16, here's my introduction to manhood

Blue lights behind me, damn what I'm gonna do

Cause I got 2 pounds of weed and a 3.80 too

I guess everything'll be aiight if I just keep it cool

How ya doin officer, what ya mean why I ain't in school

Can you search the car?? Yea but, I rather that you didn't

Besides it's just a waste of yo time cause ain't nutthin in it

(Laugh) I guess that's when I seen, that I ain't know shit

When stuck in a place wit freedom I ain't gone get.. (Damn!)

[Hook]

Mistakes made on this road to wealth

I still ain't forgave myself

Ay, what I am today, I made myself

But I still ain't forgave myself

Guess these the chances ya take, when dealt the cards I was dealt

But I still ain't forgave myself

For anyone who ever wondered how I felt

I still ain't forgave myself

[Verse 3]

Outta all the niggaz I was wit when I was doin wrong

3 in the fed, 1 doin life, and 2 dead and gone

Knew there was more to life than sellin blow and chopper bustin

But what's the good in knowin' better if I ain't tell 'em nutthin

I knew I coulda told Cap not to kill shawty

Put down the gun, get in the car let 'em live shawty

You'll probably get locked up, and I'll probably have a deal shawty

Naw, I ain't scared, I'm just telling ya like it is shawty

Coulda told Endae, Quint, and Kern, man ya covers blow

Leave that country town alone, yall needa come back home

Bankhead and J-Rue, I just feel like if I was wit 'em

They woulda never got killed that night if I was 'em

Seem like I coulda done mo', said mo'

Why all my partners gotta be dead or in the fed fo'??

All the time, I just wish that yall could ball wit me

Sometimes at night I close my eyes, and dream that yall wit me (damn.)

[Hook]

And even though they say I cant blame myself

I still ain't forgave myself

For all the mistakes made on this road to wealth

I still ain't forgave myself

What I am today, I made myself

But I still ain't forgave myself

For anybody who ever wondered how I felt

I still ain't forgave myself

And yea they say I cant blame myself

But I still ain't forgave myself

Fo the mistakes made on this road to wealth

I still ain't forgave myself

Guess this the chance that you take, when dealt the cards I was dealt

But I still ain't forgave myself

For anybody who ever wondered how I felt

I still ain't forgave myself (Ain't Forgave myself)

[Talking]

Yea, for anybody who ever wondered how I felt

anybody who ever wondered what's wrong wit me, here it is..

3 16's of what's in the heart of T.I.P.

This song is dedicated to everybody who ain't here wit me

Cap, damn.. you fucked up shawty, but when you get out

if I live to see it, its gone be on again ya know what I'm sayin

And we ain't gotta worry bout goin to jail shawty we legit now

Ya know what I'm sayin.. Cern, Quint, Endae, yall gone get out man

and when you do I'll be there shawty.. always

Bankhead, J-rue, I'm sorry man, some shit I cant change

When I get up there, we gone ball again, open the gates shawty let me in..

we gone ball. J-Rue man I know money ain't worth a friend shawty..

I fucked up bad man.. I still ain't forgave myself

My momma, sorry I ain't graduate but

hell we rich now it don't matter. My uncles shit,

it don't matter either.. yall back.

Well hell.. My Lil' boy (music stops)

you betta not do the same shit I did

or Im'ma whoop yo muthafuckin ass..

smh @ ti aint bein a story teller..... this was his FIRST song on his FIRST cd

 

[Question Authority]

every rapper who made an album got play back then

i'm talkking about now(2000s) where dude aint had a plat album too many times and you never hear that bullshit on the radio

Pac had it on lock more than BIG

You really strike me as a dude that doesn't know what he's talking about. Could be because you're young, so you're not old enough to remember how shit was back then. So it's all good.

And I never said rappers didn't get play. Biggie's critically acclaimed status was matched by a high level of mainstream success, unlike artists like Nas and Wu. Biggie made the right tone of rap music that was commercially successful, which is congruent with top 40 radio. Nas and Wu were not viable in the mainstream. That's just a fact. Biggie was the first East Coast rapper to really crossover and experience success of that magnitude, setting up the path for artists like Jay-Z to follow.

Pac had the game on lock. But not in '94. That was Biggie's era.

 

[ItzGravitation]

You really strike me as a dude that doesn't know what he's talking about. Could be because you're young, so you're not old enough to remember how shit was back then. So it's all good.

And I never said rappers didn't get play. Biggie's critically acclaimed status was matched by a high level of mainstream success, unlike artists like Nas and Wu. Biggie made the right tone of rap music that was commercially successful, which is congruent with top 40 radio. Nas and Wu were not viable in the mainstream. That's just a fact. Biggie was the first East Coast rapper to really crossover and experience success of that magnitude, setting up the path for artists like Jay-Z to follow.

Pac had the game on lock. But not in '94. That was Biggie's era.

yeah

sure it was

you from NY or something cuz you ridin dude dick something fierce