The Official MMA Thread: Alvarez TKOs Gaethje, Ngannou KOs Overeem, Holloway TKOs Aldo

[The Recipe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBLOmyul17w

That shit funny as hell, ive never seen Chael being called a Thug though. SMH.

 

[Rampage12]

Y'all just gonna have to accept the fact Weidman is the new Middleweight GOAT.

Him beating the Brazilian version of Larry Holmes hardly did anything to solidify his legitimacy as champ and silence the critics. Ain't nothing GOAT about Weidman yet.

But Anderson ruled a very weak, thin division at Middleweight, his best win was probably Dan Henderson in the grand scheme of things and then he would "courageously" move up to Light Heavyweight and fight the likes of James Irvin and Stephan Bonnar, I'll give him props for his win over Forrest Griffin even though Forrest was wacked out on Xanax during that fight.

 

[Rampage12]

I still remember him being the most feared striker as a UFC HW champ til tim sylvia owned him, ironically it took Arvolski soccer kicking Timmy into oblivion at WSOF I think, to restart his career back to the UFC. This is more than a decade in the making return. Id like to see him vs crocop or miocic next.

It was in One FC, WSOF has never allowed soccer kicks.

 

[Rampage12]

I know Silva is a great fighter but it could even be argued Weidman has a better resume already than he does, for one he already lost 4 times before coming to the UFC (yes the DQ loss to Yushin Okami in their first fight was bullshit but he still blatantly broke the rules) but here's a list of The Spider's wins in the UFC and I would love to hear an argument on how Weidman wouldn't steamroll these guys even if he took them on in their prime:

Stephan Bonnar

Chael Sonnen (x2)

Yushin Okami

Vitor Belfort

Demian Maia

Thales Leites

Forrest Griffin

Patrick Cote

James Irvin

Dan Henderson

Rich Franklin (x2)

Nate Marquardt

Travis Lutter

Chris Leben

 

[a-grave247]

DC gets way too much hate from people.

 

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[The Recipe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBLOmyul17w

That shit funny as hell, ive never seen Chael being called a Thug though. SMH.

If you frequented workout forums youd understand the significance of the "thug life" meme.


Its slowly being coop'd by others tho.

If you frequent outside you would understand calling black people thug exclusivly is nigger on the low.

 

[The Recipe]

I know Silva is a great fighter but it could even be argued Weidman has a better resume already than he does, for one he already lost 4 times before coming to the UFC (yes the DQ loss to Yushin Okami in their first fight was bullshit but he still blatantly broke the rules) but here's a list of The Spider's wins in the UFC and I would love to hear an argument on how Weidman wouldn't steamroll these guys even if he took them on in their prime:

Stephan Bonnar

Chael Sonnen (x2)

Yushin Okami

Vitor Belfort

Demian Maia

Thales Leites

Forrest Griffin

Patrick Cote

James Irvin

Dan Henderson

Rich Franklin (x2)

Nate Marquardt

Travis Lutter

Chris Leben

Silva still has done to much imo, to just say he aint at least goat at MW is crazy, but he lost beacoup points for overall goat for those PEDs. Let weidman cook though and earn his legacy he has some great wins though.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I know Silva is a great fighter but it could even be argued Weidman has a better resume already than he does, for one he already lost 4 times before coming to the UFC (yes the DQ loss to Yushin Okami in their first fight was bullshit but he still blatantly broke the rules) but here's a list of The Spider's wins in the UFC and I would love to hear an argument on how Weidman wouldn't steamroll these guys even if he took them on in their prime:

Stephan Bonnar

Chael Sonnen (x2)

Yushin Okami

Vitor Belfort

Demian Maia

Thales Leites

Forrest Griffin

Patrick Cote

James Irvin

Dan Henderson

Rich Franklin (x2)

Nate Marquardt

Travis Lutter

Chris Leben

None of those dudes are as bad as people make it seem. They just were totally outclassed by AS. That's usually how it is when a fighter dominates everyone in his weight class. Then suddenly everyone else is looked at like a bum.

The same thing happened with Tyson. Now you got people claiming he never fought anything but cans. He may not have had a Frasier or a Foreman on his resume, but the majority of the people he beat had solidly winning records. It's not like he fought a bunch of bums off the street.

 

[DOPEdweebz]

Y'all just gonna have to accept the fact Weidman is the new Middleweight GOAT.

Him beating the Brazilian version of Larry Holmes hardly did anything to solidify his legitimacy as champ and silence the critics. Ain't nothing GOAT about Weidman yet.

Weidman didnt beat vitoroid or a prime machida and a 40 year old Silva// not saying those guys werent just beating everyone b4 hand, but all those guys are old or off the juice.. if he beat a prime Jacare, Rochold, then I think thats gonna solidify your argument more. Its always evolving also, so there maybe a darkhorse in the MW division thats could be a serious threat to Weidman that we dont know about. personally besides maybe Romero who is old his damnself. i think Thales Leites gonna re-emerge asa MW version of RDA by the end of this year. Watch him when he takes ut Bisping by KO.

 

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[The Recipe]

So they feeding Alves to Condit dis gon b gud.

 

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[sobek]

Y'all just gonna have to accept the fact Weidman is the new Middleweight GOAT.

Him beating the Brazilian version of Larry Holmes hardly did anything to solidify his legitimacy as champ and silence the critics. Ain't nothing GOAT about Weidman yet.

But Anderson ruled a very weak, thin division at Middleweight, his best win was probably Dan Henderson in the grand scheme of things and then he would "courageously" move up to Light Heavyweight and fight the likes of James Irvin and Stephan Bonnar, I'll give him props for his win over Forrest Griffin even though Forrest was wacked out on Xanax during that fight.

So no credit for knocking out Rich Franklin twice and no credit for knocking out a dangerous Vitor, but you'll give Weidman full credit and call him the new middleweight GOAT after beating a TRT deprived Vitor who is a shell of himself without it? Aight, bruh.

I'd agree overall with the weakness of middleweight division even though it ain't all that now either, imo. That's one of the reasons I thought Silva and Jones really shouldn't even be compared. Silva's my favorite fighter of all time, but Jones beat a who's who of killers in the LHW division. As impressive as a 7 year reign as champion is, Jones' resume is more impressive, imo. Which also goes back to my earlier comment about the gassed up, delusion surrounding Weidman when he blasphemously refereed to the idea of a fight between him and Jones as a "Super fight".

 

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[sobek]

Y'all just gonna have to accept the fact Weidman is the new Middleweight GOAT.

Him beating the Brazilian version of Larry Holmes hardly did anything to solidify his legitimacy as champ and silence the critics. Ain't nothing GOAT about Weidman yet.

But Anderson ruled a very weak, thin division at Middleweight, his best win was probably Dan Henderson in the grand scheme of things and then he would "courageously" move up to Light Heavyweight and fight the likes of James Irvin and Stephan Bonnar, I'll give him props for his win over Forrest Griffin even though Forrest was wacked out on Xanax during that fight.

So no credit for knocking out Rich Franklin twice and no credit for knocking out a dangerous Vitor, but you'll give Weidman full credit and call him the new middleweight GOAT after beating a TRT deprived Vitor who is a shell of himself without it? Aight, bruh.

I'd agree overall with the weakness of middleweight division even though it ain't all that now either, imo. That's one of the reasons I thought Silva and Jones really shouldn't even be compared. Silva's my favorite fighter of all time, but Jones beat a who's who of killers in the LHW division. As impressive as a 7 year reign as champion is, Jones' resume is more impressive, imo. Which also goes back to my earlier comment about the gassed up, delusion surrounding Weidman when he blasphemously refereed to the idea of a fight between him and Jones as a "Super fight".

Im more shocked at yalls complete disregard for pre ufc days.

Fuck the ufc...

They are not the pinnacle of MMA.

Very true. But, I'm not disregarding it though. I just don't think that has much to do with the current Weidman debate.

And for the record, I wouldn't even call the sport of MMA as we know it the pinnacle of martial arts in general.

 

[Rampage12]

Y'all just gonna have to accept the fact Weidman is the new Middleweight GOAT.

Him beating the Brazilian version of Larry Holmes hardly did anything to solidify his legitimacy as champ and silence the critics. Ain't nothing GOAT about Weidman yet.

But Anderson ruled a very weak, thin division at Middleweight, his best win was probably Dan Henderson in the grand scheme of things and then he would "courageously" move up to Light Heavyweight and fight the likes of James Irvin and Stephan Bonnar, I'll give him props for his win over Forrest Griffin even though Forrest was wacked out on Xanax during that fight.

So no credit for knocking out Rich Franklin twice and no credit for knocking out a dangerous Vitor, but you'll give Weidman full credit and call him the new middleweight GOAT after beating a TRT deprived Vitor who is a shell of himself without it? Aight, bruh.

I'd agree overall with the weakness of middleweight division even though it ain't all that now either, imo. That's one of the reasons I thought Silva and Jones really shouldn't even be compared. Silva's my favorite fighter of all time, but Jones beat a who's who of killers in the LHW division. As impressive as a 7 year reign as champion is, Jones' resume is more impressive, imo. Which also goes back to my earlier comment about the gassed up, delusion surrounding Weidman when he blasphemously refereed to the idea of a fight between him and Jones as a "Super fight".

I think Silva has beaten four MMA Hall of Fame fighters if such a thing existed; Franklin, Belfort, Hendo, and Griffin (borderline but he was the Light Heavyweight champ even though he never defended the belt). But he also looked terrible/disinterested in many of those (Cote, Leites, Maia, Sonnen I). The likes of James Irvin are now competing in hybrid arm-wrestling/MMA bouts (who knew there was such a thing).

Whereas Weidman has beaten three MMA Hall of Famers in my opinion, is still only 30, has never lost, and has never been popped for 'roids. When Silva was the age Weidman is right now he was still getting flying scissor heel hooked by the likes of Ryo Chonan. What I'm saying is Weidman still has ample time to overtake The Spider's legacy.

 

[sobek]

Y'all just gonna have to accept the fact Weidman is the new Middleweight GOAT.

Him beating the Brazilian version of Larry Holmes hardly did anything to solidify his legitimacy as champ and silence the critics. Ain't nothing GOAT about Weidman yet.

But Anderson ruled a very weak, thin division at Middleweight, his best win was probably Dan Henderson in the grand scheme of things and then he would "courageously" move up to Light Heavyweight and fight the likes of James Irvin and Stephan Bonnar, I'll give him props for his win over Forrest Griffin even though Forrest was wacked out on Xanax during that fight.

So no credit for knocking out Rich Franklin twice and no credit for knocking out a dangerous Vitor, but you'll give Weidman full credit and call him the new middleweight GOAT after beating a TRT deprived Vitor who is a shell of himself without it? Aight, bruh.

I'd agree overall with the weakness of middleweight division even though it ain't all that now either, imo. That's one of the reasons I thought Silva and Jones really shouldn't even be compared. Silva's my favorite fighter of all time, but Jones beat a who's who of killers in the LHW division. As impressive as a 7 year reign as champion is, Jones' resume is more impressive, imo. Which also goes back to my earlier comment about the gassed up, delusion surrounding Weidman when he blasphemously refereed to the idea of a fight between him and Jones as a "Super fight".

I think Silva has beaten four MMA Hall of Fame fighters if such a thing existed; Franklin, Belfort, Hendo, and Griffin (borderline but he was the Light Heavyweight champ even though he never defended the belt). But he also looked terrible/disinterested in many of those (Cote, Leites, Maia, Sonnen I). The likes of James Irvin are now competing in hybrid arm-wrestling/MMA bouts (who knew there was such a thing).

Whereas Weidman has beaten three MMA Hall of Famers in my opinion, is still only 30, has never lost, and has never been popped for 'roids. When Silva was the age Weidman is right now he was still getting flying scissor heel hooked by the likes of Ryo Chonan. What I'm saying is Weidman still has ample time to overtake The Spider's legacy.

Yes, but most people would agree that Wiedman beat 2 of those 3 hall of famers under questionable circumstances. Granted, he had zero control regarding the situations of Silva clowning around in the first fight before getting KO'd, his leg breaking in the second fight, and Vitor being off the juice as he shouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating anyway.

But, Vitor looked nowhere near his prime in that fight. Everything from his weaker, and some-what flabby looking body to his lack of signature explosiveness, Vitor looked like an old man in comparison to Weidman. Would the TRT version of Vitor had gone out like that? Would a 30 year old Vitor had gone out like that? Highly unlikely. These are still things which will be held over Weidman's head by some until he starts defeating respectable talent without controversy as champion.

I'm not writing him off in terms of talent or potential, but I just feel he needs more undeniably credible wins under his belt as champion to come anywhere near GOAT status, imo.

 

[Rampage12]

Y'all just gonna have to accept the fact Weidman is the new Middleweight GOAT.

Him beating the Brazilian version of Larry Holmes hardly did anything to solidify his legitimacy as champ and silence the critics. Ain't nothing GOAT about Weidman yet.

But Anderson ruled a very weak, thin division at Middleweight, his best win was probably Dan Henderson in the grand scheme of things and then he would "courageously" move up to Light Heavyweight and fight the likes of James Irvin and Stephan Bonnar, I'll give him props for his win over Forrest Griffin even though Forrest was wacked out on Xanax during that fight.

So no credit for knocking out Rich Franklin twice and no credit for knocking out a dangerous Vitor, but you'll give Weidman full credit and call him the new middleweight GOAT after beating a TRT deprived Vitor who is a shell of himself without it? Aight, bruh.

I'd agree overall with the weakness of middleweight division even though it ain't all that now either, imo. That's one of the reasons I thought Silva and Jones really shouldn't even be compared. Silva's my favorite fighter of all time, but Jones beat a who's who of killers in the LHW division. As impressive as a 7 year reign as champion is, Jones' resume is more impressive, imo. Which also goes back to my earlier comment about the gassed up, delusion surrounding Weidman when he blasphemously refereed to the idea of a fight between him and Jones as a "Super fight".

I think Silva has beaten four MMA Hall of Fame fighters if such a thing existed; Franklin, Belfort, Hendo, and Griffin (borderline but he was the Light Heavyweight champ even though he never defended the belt). But he also looked terrible/disinterested in many of those (Cote, Leites, Maia, Sonnen I). The likes of James Irvin are now competing in hybrid arm-wrestling/MMA bouts (who knew there was such a thing).

Whereas Weidman has beaten three MMA Hall of Famers in my opinion, is still only 30, has never lost, and has never been popped for 'roids. When Silva was the age Weidman is right now he was still getting flying scissor heel hooked by the likes of Ryo Chonan. What I'm saying is Weidman still has ample time to overtake The Spider's legacy.

Yes, but most people would agree that Wiedman beat 2 of those 3 hall of famers under questionable circumstances. Granted, he had zero control regarding the situations of Silva clowning around in the first fight before getting KO'd, his leg breaking in the second fight, and Vitor being off the juice as he shouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating anyway.

But, Vitor looked nowhere near his prime in that fight. Everything from his weaker, and some-what flabby looking body to his lack of signature explosiveness, Vitor looked like an old man in comparison to Weidman. Would the TRT version of Vitor had gone out like that? Would a 30 year old Vitor had gone out like that? Highly unlikely. These are still things which will be held over his head by some until he starts defeating respectable talent without controversy as champion.

I'm not writing him off in terms of talent or potential, but I just feel he needs more undeniably credible wins under his belt as champion to come anywhere near GOAT status, imo.

-Bruh, Vitor Belfort has had the reputation of quitting when things weren't going his way since Randy Couture whipped his ass at UFC 15. He loves being the hammer but hates being the nail if you will. He reminds me alot of his teammate Rumble in that sense.

-Silva has clowned in nearly all of his fights, it's just that Weidman was the only one who hadn't already been defeated before he walked into the cage and wasn't scared of Silva and was good enough to capitalize on it.

 

[DOPEdweebz]

Vitoroid Belfort woulda TKO's Weidman, under the same circumstance. See that gash above Weidmans brow? Obviously less testosterone = less KO power. as soon as Vitor saw that Weidman wasnt going down in the flurry he backed off and the rest was history. Rochold, Machida would destroy this version of Vitor also. This wasnt the same Vitor that KOd Rich Franklin, Bisping, Rochold and Dan Henderson. Without the TRT and ate age 38 those days are long and gone. It was kinda cool to see a juiced up Vitor, but this is more fair as it is. He should move down to 170 is he can make it, or even better, just retire.