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[Rampage12]

But Belfort has always been a retard, or a moron to put it more nicely, the shit he says in interviews will either be make you cringe or LOL, granted the Gracies were probably pumping him full of steroids since the time he was 15 so it might not be his fault:

-On losing to Randy Couture by TKO at UFC 15: "I feel like he was on some kind of steroids because he was alot stronger THAN I THOUGHT HE'D BE"

-On defeating Couture at UFC 46 via a controversial doctor stoppage because of a cut on Couture's eyelid 49 seconds into the fight: "It was a good stoppage by the doctor, he felt very weak whenever we'd clinch and I think the doctor noticed this and stopped the fight" only for Couture to whip his ass again 6 months later.

 

[sobek]

Y'all just gonna have to accept the fact Weidman is the new Middleweight GOAT.

Him beating the Brazilian version of Larry Holmes hardly did anything to solidify his legitimacy as champ and silence the critics. Ain't nothing GOAT about Weidman yet.

But Anderson ruled a very weak, thin division at Middleweight, his best win was probably Dan Henderson in the grand scheme of things and then he would "courageously" move up to Light Heavyweight and fight the likes of James Irvin and Stephan Bonnar, I'll give him props for his win over Forrest Griffin even though Forrest was wacked out on Xanax during that fight.

So no credit for knocking out Rich Franklin twice and no credit for knocking out a dangerous Vitor, but you'll give Weidman full credit and call him the new middleweight GOAT after beating a TRT deprived Vitor who is a shell of himself without it? Aight, bruh.

I'd agree overall with the weakness of middleweight division even though it ain't all that now either, imo. That's one of the reasons I thought Silva and Jones really shouldn't even be compared. Silva's my favorite fighter of all time, but Jones beat a who's who of killers in the LHW division. As impressive as a 7 year reign as champion is, Jones' resume is more impressive, imo. Which also goes back to my earlier comment about the gassed up, delusion surrounding Weidman when he blasphemously refereed to the idea of a fight between him and Jones as a "Super fight".

I think Silva has beaten four MMA Hall of Fame fighters if such a thing existed; Franklin, Belfort, Hendo, and Griffin (borderline but he was the Light Heavyweight champ even though he never defended the belt). But he also looked terrible/disinterested in many of those (Cote, Leites, Maia, Sonnen I). The likes of James Irvin are now competing in hybrid arm-wrestling/MMA bouts (who knew there was such a thing).

Whereas Weidman has beaten three MMA Hall of Famers in my opinion, is still only 30, has never lost, and has never been popped for 'roids. When Silva was the age Weidman is right now he was still getting flying scissor heel hooked by the likes of Ryo Chonan. What I'm saying is Weidman still has ample time to overtake The Spider's legacy.

Yes, but most people would agree that Wiedman beat 2 of those 3 hall of famers under questionable circumstances. Granted, he had zero control regarding the situations of Silva clowning around in the first fight before getting KO'd, his leg breaking in the second fight, and Vitor being off the juice as he shouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating anyway.

But, Vitor looked nowhere near his prime in that fight. Everything from his weaker, and some-what flabby looking body to his lack of signature explosiveness, Vitor looked like an old man in comparison to Weidman. Would the TRT version of Vitor had gone out like that? Would a 30 year old Vitor had gone out like that? Highly unlikely. These are still things which will be held over his head by some until he starts defeating respectable talent without controversy as champion.

I'm not writing him off in terms of talent or potential, but I just feel he needs more undeniably credible wins under his belt as champion to come anywhere near GOAT status, imo.

-Bruh, Vitor Belfort has had the reputation of quitting when things weren't going his way since Randy Couture whipped his ass at UFC 15. He loves being the hammer but hates being the nail if you will. He reminds me alot of his teammate Rumble in that sense.

-Silva has clowned in nearly all of his fights, it's just that Weidman was the only one who hadn't already been defeated before he walked into the cage and wasn't scared of Silva and was good enough to capitalize on it.

I agree, but there's no denying that the Vitor who had that 3 fight win streak, the Vitor who fought Anderson, The Vitor who subbed Rumble, and the Vitor who almost subbed Jones was anything like the same person who lost to Weidman.

As far as Anderson goes, yes, he showboats every fight. But the difference, imo is that he completely overlooked and disrespected Weidman's ability which obviously was a big mistake considering what he had already accomplished before that fight even took place. In other words, Silva's god complex finally bit him in the ass.

Granted he doesn't have power like Weidman, but if Silva had approached the first fight with Chael the same way, Chael quite possibly could've ended up being champ. Silva took that fight way more seriously because it was personal, even though he still got his ass beat up on the ground.

And I'm not questioning Weidman's entire undefeated record. I'm questioning the legitimacy of his wins since winning the title because of the controversial circumstances which have surrounded them, and his right to be considered a GOAT this prematurely in his championship run.

 

[sobek]

But Belfort has always been a retard, or a moron to put it more nicely, the shit he says in interviews will either be make you cringe or LOL, granted the Gracies were probably pumping him full of steroids since the time he was 15 so it might not be his fault:

-On losing to Randy Couture by TKO at UFC 15: "I feel like he was on some kind of steroids because he was alot stronger THAN I THOUGHT HE'D BE"

-On defeating Couture at UFC 46 via a controversial doctor stoppage because of a cut on Couture's eyelid 49 seconds into the fight: "It was a good stoppage by the doctor, he felt very weak whenever we'd clinch and I think the doctor noticed this and stopped the fight" only for Couture to whip his ass again 6 months later.

No one's saying the nigga is smart, LOL

 

[Rampage12]

But Belfort has always been a retard, or a moron to put it more nicely, the shit he says in interviews will either be make you cringe or LOL, granted the Gracies were probably pumping him full of steroids since the time he was 15 so it might not be his fault:

-On losing to Randy Couture by TKO at UFC 15: "I feel like he was on some kind of steroids because he was alot stronger THAN I THOUGHT HE'D BE"

-On defeating Couture at UFC 46 via a controversial doctor stoppage because of a cut on Couture's eyelid 49 seconds into the fight: "It was a good stoppage by the doctor, he felt very weak whenever we'd clinch and I think the doctor noticed this and stopped the fight" only for Couture to whip his ass again 6 months later.

No one's saying the nigga is smart, LOL

Haha, I just thought I'd point it out how unintentionally hilarious this Jesus/Steroid freak is.

 

[Rampage12]

Y'all just gonna have to accept the fact Weidman is the new Middleweight GOAT.

Him beating the Brazilian version of Larry Holmes hardly did anything to solidify his legitimacy as champ and silence the critics. Ain't nothing GOAT about Weidman yet.

But Anderson ruled a very weak, thin division at Middleweight, his best win was probably Dan Henderson in the grand scheme of things and then he would "courageously" move up to Light Heavyweight and fight the likes of James Irvin and Stephan Bonnar, I'll give him props for his win over Forrest Griffin even though Forrest was wacked out on Xanax during that fight.

So no credit for knocking out Rich Franklin twice and no credit for knocking out a dangerous Vitor, but you'll give Weidman full credit and call him the new middleweight GOAT after beating a TRT deprived Vitor who is a shell of himself without it? Aight, bruh.

I'd agree overall with the weakness of middleweight division even though it ain't all that now either, imo. That's one of the reasons I thought Silva and Jones really shouldn't even be compared. Silva's my favorite fighter of all time, but Jones beat a who's who of killers in the LHW division. As impressive as a 7 year reign as champion is, Jones' resume is more impressive, imo. Which also goes back to my earlier comment about the gassed up, delusion surrounding Weidman when he blasphemously refereed to the idea of a fight between him and Jones as a "Super fight".

I think Silva has beaten four MMA Hall of Fame fighters if such a thing existed; Franklin, Belfort, Hendo, and Griffin (borderline but he was the Light Heavyweight champ even though he never defended the belt). But he also looked terrible/disinterested in many of those (Cote, Leites, Maia, Sonnen I). The likes of James Irvin are now competing in hybrid arm-wrestling/MMA bouts (who knew there was such a thing).

Whereas Weidman has beaten three MMA Hall of Famers in my opinion, is still only 30, has never lost, and has never been popped for 'roids. When Silva was the age Weidman is right now he was still getting flying scissor heel hooked by the likes of Ryo Chonan. What I'm saying is Weidman still has ample time to overtake The Spider's legacy.

Yes, but most people would agree that Wiedman beat 2 of those 3 hall of famers under questionable circumstances. Granted, he had zero control regarding the situations of Silva clowning around in the first fight before getting KO'd, his leg breaking in the second fight, and Vitor being off the juice as he shouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating anyway.

But, Vitor looked nowhere near his prime in that fight. Everything from his weaker, and some-what flabby looking body to his lack of signature explosiveness, Vitor looked like an old man in comparison to Weidman. Would the TRT version of Vitor had gone out like that? Would a 30 year old Vitor had gone out like that? Highly unlikely. These are still things which will be held over his head by some until he starts defeating respectable talent without controversy as champion.

I'm not writing him off in terms of talent or potential, but I just feel he needs more undeniably credible wins under his belt as champion to come anywhere near GOAT status, imo.

-Bruh, Vitor Belfort has had the reputation of quitting when things weren't going his way since Randy Couture whipped his ass at UFC 15. He loves being the hammer but hates being the nail if you will. He reminds me alot of his teammate Rumble in that sense.

-Silva has clowned in nearly all of his fights, it's just that Weidman was the only one who hadn't already been defeated before he walked into the cage and wasn't scared of Silva and was good enough to capitalize on it.

I agree, but there's no denying that the Vitor who had that 3 fight win streak, the Vitor who fought Anderson, The Vitor who subbed Rumble, and the Vitor who almost subbed Jones was anything like the same person who lost to Weidman.

As far as Anderson goes, yes, he showboats every fight. But the difference, imo is that he completely overlooked and disrespected Weidman's ability which obviously was a big mistake considering what he had already accomplished before that fight even took place. In other words, Silva's god complex finally bit him in the ass.

Granted he doesn't have power like Weidman, but if Silva had approached the first fight with Chael the same way, Chael quite possibly could've ended up being champ. Silva took that fight way more seriously because it was personal, even though he still got his ass beat up on the ground.

And I'm not questioning Weidman's entire undefeated record. I'm questioning the legitimacy of his wins since winning the title because of the controversial circumstances which have surrounded them, and his right to be considered a GOAT this prematurely in his championship run.

Haha, it feels we've reached a stalemate. But I recognize and respect your opinion. Ever since I saw Weidman TKO Uriah Hall on the regional circuit before they were both in the UFC it just felt like he was something of a real Prodigy/Phenom who always busted his ass and never wanted to disrespect any aspect of the mixed martials arts craft which he kind of proved in going the distance with Andre Galvao and even putting him in some danger at ADCC with only 9 months of BJJ training.

 

[sobek]

But Belfort has always been a retard, or a moron to put it more nicely, the shit he says in interviews will either be make you cringe or LOL, granted the Gracies were probably pumping him full of steroids since the time he was 15 so it might not be his fault:

-On losing to Randy Couture by TKO at UFC 15: "I feel like he was on some kind of steroids because he was alot stronger THAN I THOUGHT HE'D BE"

-On defeating Couture at UFC 46 via a controversial doctor stoppage because of a cut on Couture's eyelid 49 seconds into the fight: "It was a good stoppage by the doctor, he felt very weak whenever we'd clinch and I think the doctor noticed this and stopped the fight" only for Couture to whip his ass again 6 months later.

No one's saying the nigga is smart, LOL

Haha, I just thought I'd point it out how unintentionally hilarious this Jesus/Steroid freak is.

Vitard? LOL

Y'all just gonna have to accept the fact Weidman is the new Middleweight GOAT.

Him beating the Brazilian version of Larry Holmes hardly did anything to solidify his legitimacy as champ and silence the critics. Ain't nothing GOAT about Weidman yet.

But Anderson ruled a very weak, thin division at Middleweight, his best win was probably Dan Henderson in the grand scheme of things and then he would "courageously" move up to Light Heavyweight and fight the likes of James Irvin and Stephan Bonnar, I'll give him props for his win over Forrest Griffin even though Forrest was wacked out on Xanax during that fight.

So no credit for knocking out Rich Franklin twice and no credit for knocking out a dangerous Vitor, but you'll give Weidman full credit and call him the new middleweight GOAT after beating a TRT deprived Vitor who is a shell of himself without it? Aight, bruh.

I'd agree overall with the weakness of middleweight division even though it ain't all that now either, imo. That's one of the reasons I thought Silva and Jones really shouldn't even be compared. Silva's my favorite fighter of all time, but Jones beat a who's who of killers in the LHW division. As impressive as a 7 year reign as champion is, Jones' resume is more impressive, imo. Which also goes back to my earlier comment about the gassed up, delusion surrounding Weidman when he blasphemously refereed to the idea of a fight between him and Jones as a "Super fight".

I think Silva has beaten four MMA Hall of Fame fighters if such a thing existed; Franklin, Belfort, Hendo, and Griffin (borderline but he was the Light Heavyweight champ even though he never defended the belt). But he also looked terrible/disinterested in many of those (Cote, Leites, Maia, Sonnen I). The likes of James Irvin are now competing in hybrid arm-wrestling/MMA bouts (who knew there was such a thing).

Whereas Weidman has beaten three MMA Hall of Famers in my opinion, is still only 30, has never lost, and has never been popped for 'roids. When Silva was the age Weidman is right now he was still getting flying scissor heel hooked by the likes of Ryo Chonan. What I'm saying is Weidman still has ample time to overtake The Spider's legacy.

Yes, but most people would agree that Wiedman beat 2 of those 3 hall of famers under questionable circumstances. Granted, he had zero control regarding the situations of Silva clowning around in the first fight before getting KO'd, his leg breaking in the second fight, and Vitor being off the juice as he shouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating anyway.

But, Vitor looked nowhere near his prime in that fight. Everything from his weaker, and some-what flabby looking body to his lack of signature explosiveness, Vitor looked like an old man in comparison to Weidman. Would the TRT version of Vitor had gone out like that? Would a 30 year old Vitor had gone out like that? Highly unlikely. These are still things which will be held over his head by some until he starts defeating respectable talent without controversy as champion.

I'm not writing him off in terms of talent or potential, but I just feel he needs more undeniably credible wins under his belt as champion to come anywhere near GOAT status, imo.

-Bruh, Vitor Belfort has had the reputation of quitting when things weren't going his way since Randy Couture whipped his ass at UFC 15. He loves being the hammer but hates being the nail if you will. He reminds me alot of his teammate Rumble in that sense.

-Silva has clowned in nearly all of his fights, it's just that Weidman was the only one who hadn't already been defeated before he walked into the cage and wasn't scared of Silva and was good enough to capitalize on it.

I agree, but there's no denying that the Vitor who had that 3 fight win streak, the Vitor who fought Anderson, The Vitor who subbed Rumble, and the Vitor who almost subbed Jones was anything like the same person who lost to Weidman.

As far as Anderson goes, yes, he showboats every fight. But the difference, imo is that he completely overlooked and disrespected Weidman's ability which obviously was a big mistake considering what he had already accomplished before that fight even took place. In other words, Silva's god complex finally bit him in the ass.

Granted he doesn't have power like Weidman, but if Silva had approached the first fight with Chael the same way, Chael quite possibly could've ended up being champ. Silva took that fight way more seriously because it was personal, even though he still got his ass beat up on the ground.

And I'm not questioning Weidman's entire undefeated record. I'm questioning the legitimacy of his wins since winning the title because of the controversial circumstances which have surrounded them, and his right to be considered a GOAT this prematurely in his championship run.

Haha, it feels we've reached a stalemate. But I recognize and respect your opinion. Ever since I saw Weidman TKO Uriah Hall on the regional circuit before they were both in the UFC it just felt like he was something of a real Prodigy/Phenom who always busted his ass and never wanted to disrespect any aspect of the mixed martials arts craft which he kind of proved in going the distance with Andre Galvao and even putting him in some danger at ADCC with only 9 months of BJJ training.

I can respect others peoples opinions without resorting to personal attacks or abusing the reaction buttons unlike a lot of people.

What I really want to see is for people to just give Weidman more time to really establish himself as champion before placing him among the greats. Not saying you said this, but too many times I've read some Weidman fans talk as though he inherited Silva's legacy just because he beat him. He's got to build his own legacy. If Weidman really ends up being one of the GOATs, it'll be because he truly silences his critics. If he does that, I'll be the first to give him props.

Peace, bruh

 

[lurkinassnigga]

Highlights from Condit vs Alves last night


Same clip with a takedown included
http://streamable.com/cxr7

 

[The Recipe]

Cant wait Macdonald vs Condit, damn near a superfight.

 

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[DOPEdweebz]

Cant wait Macdonald vs Condit, damn near a superfight.

What you think bout the first btime they fought? Condit would be the goat if he had legit wrestling btw, tdd and takedowns.

 

[DOPEdweebz]

I still say Nick Diaz beat him though. Maybe Rory vs Nick Diaz is the dream fight. Rory vs Hendricks. Nick Diaz vs Hendricks.

 

[The Recipe]

Cant wait Macdonald vs Condit, damn near a superfight.

What you think bout the first btime they fought? Condit would be the goat if he had legit wrestling btw, tdd and takedowns.

It was a GOAT fight damn near forgot about that epic comeback by condit till you just mentioned it. I think they both have improved but Rory was further away from his potential when they fought.

 

[Bonesaw McDrawz]

Not excited at all for UFC 188

 

[sobek]

Jon Jones hit and run 911 call and scene Police camera footage

Spoiler

Gonna be a while before we see Jonny 'Bones' Biggums again, smh

 

[The Recipe]

I still say Nick Diaz beat him though. Maybe Rory vs Nick Diaz is the dream fight. Rory vs Hendricks. Nick Diaz vs Hendricks.

I wanna keep Diaz brothers away from Rory after all them suplexes vs Nate. But I enjoy they fighting style.

 

[Rampage12]

I still say Nick Diaz beat him though. Maybe Rory vs Nick Diaz is the dream fight. Rory vs Hendricks. Nick Diaz vs Hendricks.

I wanna keep Diaz brothers away from Rory after all them suplexes vs Nate. But I enjoy they fighting style.

Nick could beat Rory, and he already beat the current Welterweight champion.

 

[The Recipe]

I still say Nick Diaz beat him though. Maybe Rory vs Nick Diaz is the dream fight. Rory vs Hendricks. Nick Diaz vs Hendricks.

I wanna keep Diaz brothers away from Rory after all them suplexes vs Nate. But I enjoy they fighting style.

Nick could beat Rory, and he already beat the current Welterweight champion.

Robbie Lawler is not that good imo, so him beating Lawler means shit to me, can he beat Rory yeah any body can be beat, will he? Hell no. Rory is way to well rounded for Nick Diaz.

 

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[The Recipe]

I dont think he was ever americas darling, (maybe a split second when he caught the purse snatcher) he gets tons of hate. When he comes back he will be the ultimate villian and people will pay to see him loose but he aint loosing in LHW no time soon so if he comes back he will be good some will still love him most will hate him. What this does is gives haters a reason or excuse. I think "he" has more to do with burying Jones than "they" do.

 

[Rampage12]

I still say Nick Diaz beat him though. Maybe Rory vs Nick Diaz is the dream fight. Rory vs Hendricks. Nick Diaz vs Hendricks.

I wanna keep Diaz brothers away from Rory after all them suplexes vs Nate. But I enjoy they fighting style.

Nick could beat Rory, and he already beat the current Welterweight champion.

Robbie Lawler is not that good imo, so him beating Lawler means shit to me, can he beat Rory yeah any body can be beat, will he? Hell no. Rory is way to well rounded for Nick Diaz.

Lawler is not that good???, haha okay. You know he beat Rory right.