The Official Eminem Discussion Thread

[VIBE]

Does him being white help him in his career of selling albums? Yes. Of course it does.

I'll say sales don't mean that much, all it means is you appealed to the consumer. Vanilla Ice sold 11 million of just, "To The Extreme"? He was a fake, he wasn't the real deal. He says they built an image for him, they tried hard to promote him and push him as a white artist and it worked. He was the first very successful high selling white rapper that was solo who had no mic skills. He sold because he was white. Looking back on it Ice says he hates it.

So in other words, sales = nothing but popularity.

I can't speak for ALL fans but at least me being a fan = relation to content and love for his lyricism. I didn't like him because he was white, I liked him for his MUSIC.

I just want to clear up the "Relapse = trash". He never said it was trash from a stand point of content or lyricism. He hates it for the accents he use. He says (right after release of Relapse) that he didn't purposely spit with an accent. He said at the time it was just something that he would do without noticing. Sure, he noticed AFTERWARDS but for some reason was very happy. He got the love/hate relationship for that accent. He now hates it, probably because he felt it was too excessive and annoying. Reason why I say he doesn't think it's trash due to content/lyricism was because he said... "From Infinite down to the last Relapse album he's still shittin'" meaning still doing the same dope lyricism, that part he's happy with. That's how I take it.

As for Encore, you gotta think, when people went to buy this album they didn't know it was crap. He really just put in an all filler album with no attempt at real content. Fans bought into it thinking it's either like MMLP or TES, in all it wasn't. Every Eminem fan will tell you that it's his last album they'll categorize as good.

Should his sales be taken seriously? I say YES.

Why? Because he isn't a lame white rapper. His content does = content that people can relate to. You don't necessarily have to relate to him exactly but to the extent of what he goes through. People can relate to his "baby mama drama", people can relate to losing someone so close to you it was like your brother. People can relate to going through some type of recovery from whatever drug, alcohol or whatever. People can relate to even him speaking on race.

He's a white rapper that has very dope mic skills and that should be taken seriously, he isn't a joke.

Vanilla Ice shouldn't be taken seriously, he had a fake image built, he had no real mic skills. He sold as a joke.

 

[Capo1]

You're racist and blinded by your theories. Your opinion holds no weight. All 3 of those guys are literally 100 times better in Em in every category of rapping.

says who? You got stats to back this up?

 

[BobOblah]

actually, he did. "Fuck Relapse my last CD that shit's in my trash"....I think it was on 'Cinderella Man'

Oh well there ya go. idk some dude was convinced Em never said that

 

[hrap-120]

LMMFAO!!!

I just realised how mad I would be if I was black and realised a white boy will go down as the highest sellin artist in rap and quite possibly the GOAT (if he learns to combine the old style with the new in a better way).

So if I could add in gfx, I'd defs be puttin that "U Mad" one with Cam'Ron in here right now. Hahaha. Ahhh.....why has it taken me years and years to realise how fuckin funny this is???

"If you were black"..not gonna happen just wishful thinking on your part.

To be honest Black people dont care how many records emenim sells because Dr. Dre has executive produced every one of his albums.

More power to the Black producers who got paid of "Recovery", thats good economics, who's mad at that??

See our object is to package and sell culture & soul to people who lack it in exchange for material wealth.

We have an abundance of Culture and Soul for sale that goes beyond rap-music, with the advent of the internet the new hustle is Black Owned websites that profit from posters like you...so while you are laughing, Chuck and Grouchy are laughing all the way to the bank.

why has it taken me just a few seconds to realise how fuckin funny this is???

 

[Capo1]

LOL, it's so easy for a White person to talk about the Black Experience without being Black Themselves, laughable.

yet you will speak for every white person and say that we all hold him on a pedestal and he's the greatest thing since elvis....laughable.

 

[FrozenMind]

False Jesse Jackson ran in 84 and the laws had to be changed in the electorial college that ended up opening the door for Obama to be elected. Whites did not vote for Jesse, your point is Null and Void. History proves that Whites only voted for Whites for most of history. Which is why there have only been White Presidents until 2008. Shit look at Congress, Obama was the only Black Senator before he was the 1st Black Presidents. Whites vote for their own, they've done it throughout history. So talking about Blacks voting for their own is null and void since they've not had the opportunity until now. Oh Yea Obama won the election without the majority of the white vote. Mccain got more White Votes than Obama so dispite Obama winning a majority of White America still said we don't want a Black President.

48% of white voters voted for obama. He would have not been able to win without whites.

99% of blacks voted for obama, blacks vote for there own as much and in this case you listed more often than whites.

 

[wordsRweapons]

LOL, it's so easy for a White person to talk about the Black Experience without being Black Themselves, laughable.

You werent a slave and your grand-daddy wasnt either.

You're chatting on the internet, mid-day, in the comfort of a home drinking some pepsi and eating a motha fuckin hotpocket while texting on your iphone wearing a nice pair of Jordans. You plan on shopping at the mall later with some friends.

Shut The Fuck Up

 

[Capo1]

"If you were black"..not gonna happen just wishful thinking on your part.

To be honest Black people dont care how many records emenim sells because Dr. Dre has executive produced every one of his albums.

More power to the Black producers who got paid of "Recovery", thats good economics, who's mad at that??

See our object is to package and sell culture & soul to people who lack it in exchange for material wealth.

We have an abundance of Culture and Soul for sale that goes beyond rap-music, with the advent of the internet the new hustle is Black Owned websites that profit from posters like you...so while you are laughing, Chuck and Grouchy are laughing all the way to the bank.

why has it taken me just a few seconds to realise how fuckin funny this is???

Funny cause those two (I mean 1 black dude, 1 at least half white dude) had to pay a white person most likely for the domain. So we all win in the end...

 

[L3NU]

Should his sales be taken seriously? I say YES.

Why? Because he isn't a lame white rapper. His content does = content that people can relate to. You don't necessarily have to relate to him exactly but to the extent of what he goes through. People can relate to his "baby mama drama", people can relate to losing someone so close to you it was like your brother. People can relate to going through some type of recovery from whatever drug, alcohol or whatever. People can relate to even him speaking on race.

He's a white rapper that has very dope mic skills and that should be taken seriously, he isn't a joke.

Vanilla Ice shouldn't be taken seriously, he had a fake image built, he had no real mic skills. He sold as a joke.

i gotta disagree...sales dont mean anything, sure people initially bought encore cuz they though they would get another Em Show or MMLP...but encore didnt sell 5 mill in a week..it took time to get to that number..people still bought it well after it had dropped and been evaluated..alot of people are eminem fans and not fans of hip hop thats why encore sold..

thats why sales dont matter to me..50 cent got shelfed on columbia and went double diamond on shady..did his skills improve exponentially in between labels? of course not..did his marketing improve? Absolutly

 

[FrozenMind]

LOL, it's so easy for a White person to talk about the Black Experience without being Black Themselves, laughable.

He never did, he talked about his experiences. If you knew anything about his upbringing and had actually listened to SSLP you would not be able to make that statement and still feel intelligent or not a racist.
How about Talib Kweli, and Kanye? They talk about the ghetto and poverty...
They were both raised in the suburbs and there parents made 100K+ a year.
Half of there material is narratives of other peoples lives and realities that they never experienced.
No one on here brings that up because there black.
And i'm not saying either of them are not dope.

 

[Kwan Dai]

When did I say kenny G was better than Miles? I said eminem is more talented than pharoah monch...you mad?

Mad? Not at all. The truth is truth. If, Pharaoh was white he'd be EM x10 to in addition to getting a Role in the annual ten commandments made for T.V. movie.

 

[Capo1]

Mad? Not at all. The truth is truth. If, Pharaoh was white he'd be EM x10 to in addition to getting a Role in the annual ten commandments made for T.V. movie.

show me the song that pharoah monch has made that could have cross-overed and been as big as lose yourself if he was white...

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

classic thread lmao

props to the threadstarter

 

[VIBE]

i gotta disagree...sales dont mean anything, sure people initially bought encore cuz they though they would get another Em Show or MMLP...but encore didnt sell 5 mill in a week..it took time to get to that number..people still bought it well after it had dropped and been evaluated..alot of people are eminem fans and not fans of hip hop thats why encore sold..

thats why sales dont matter to me..50 cent got shelfed on columbia and went double diamond on shady..did his skills improve exponentially in between labels? of course not..did his marketing improve? Absolutly

Sales don't = you as the GOAT all the time. Like I said, look at Vanilla Ice, he was a fake. He sold because he was white, and he didn't have good mic skills or presence so he doesn't = serious sales.

Eminem = sells be taken seriously because he has the mic skills to back it up no matter what. You have your select that buy because he's white and you have your select that buy because he's DOPE ON THE MIC. That's why YES his sales can be taken SERIOUSLY.

He can back the shit up instead of, "oh he's white". Read my post again.

 

[rapmastermind]

and it was not a serious campaign

ask an older person

nobody took messy jesse seriously

theres been black senators since the 1870's

incorrect

obama got the majority of the white vote

LOL @ "It wasn't a serious campaign" Why cause he was Black? That's my point, Whites didn't view him seriously cause the color of his skin. Plenty of Blacks supported Jesse but sadly 13% isn't enough to win an election. Also Obama DID NOT WIN THE WHITE VOTE. He won the White Youth (Not shocked cause the white youth didn't grow up in a racist world) But he lost the overall white vote

Obama (White Vote) - 44%

Mccain (White Vote) - 56%

Mccain won Whites, Obama won everyone. So my point still stands, Whites vote for their own and History proves it.

 

[hrap-120]

This is because the entertainment industry as a whole is run by homosexuals and Dr. Dre is one of their best semi-closeted agents.

Its no secret that the entertainment industry is ran by alot of homosexuals, thats why the elton Jon duets were so important.

...it explains the cross-dressing and homosexual references to Dr. Dre's penis, and homosexual incest from a male family member.

Come out and diss the gay's and then embrace them...brilliant Jimmy Iovine chess move.

KTULU IS BACK has made a very important observation here....... Em's & Dre's popularity & pull amongst these people is deeper than rap

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Chuck and Grouchy are laughing all the way to the bank.

chuck and grouchy are still paying back the bank for all the money they wasted on Allhiphop Week

 

[hrap-120]

LOL @ "It wasn't a serious campaign" Why cause he was Black? That's my point, Whites didn't view him seriously cause the color of his skin. Plenty of Blacks supported Jesse but sadly 13% isn't enough to win an election. Also Obama DID NOT WIN THE WHITE VOTE. He won the White Youth (Not shocked cause the white youth didn't grow up in a racist world) But he lost the overall white vote

Obama (White Vote) - 44%
Mccain (White Vote) - 56%

Mccain won Whites, Obama won everyone. So my point still stands, Whites vote for their own and History proves it.

The white-Jews turned against Jesse after he made the "Hymie-town" remark...he was doomed after that and the media turned on him.

 

[L3NU]

Sales don't = you as the GOAT all the time. Like I said, look at Vanilla Ice, he was a fake. He sold because he was white, and he didn't have good mic skills or presence so he doesn't = serious sales.

Eminem = sells be taken seriously because he has the mic skills to back it up no matter what. You have your select that buy because he's white and you have your select that buy because he's DOPE ON THE MIC. That's why YES his sales can be taken SERIOUSLY.



He can back the shit up instead of, "oh he's white". Read my post again.

thats the problem..the percent of people that buy his records cuz hez eminem is far greater then the percent of people that buy cuz he's dope...hes in my top 5 and ive always liked him for his music..but there are plenty of white people that i know whos only rap album that they have is one of Em's...or on an ipod filled with rock n roll songs there will be like 2 em songs. 2 jay z songs and no other hip hop

 

[DaPrinciplez]

"If you were black"..not gonna happen just wishful thinking on your part.

To be honest Black people dont care how many records emenim sells because Dr. Dre has executive produced every one of his albums.

More power to the Black producers who got paid of "Recovery", thats good economics, who's mad at that??

See our object is to package and sell culture & soul to people who lack it in exchange for material wealth.

We have an abundance of Culture and Soul for sale that goes beyond rap-music, with the advent of the internet the new hustle is Black Owned websites that profit from posters like you...so while you are laughing, Chuck and Grouchy are laughing all the way to the bank.

why has it taken me just a few seconds to realise how fuckin funny this is???

H-Rap bro. I don't care who makes money off what I do. I support hip hop culture harder then any person (no matter the race) I have ever come across.

If me bein on this site makes money for two black dudes, cool, great, I love that. They support hip hop so to me, they family.

I'm just laughin at the fact that this dude (a white guy) becomin the biggest star, highest sellin and arguably the best artist in hip hop and people are so mad at it.....