The Official Brexit thread. How could Brexit affect us here in America?

[MarcusGarvey]

How did this thread turn into a Islam referendum?

Thread started out promising - discussion about economics, the markets, and trade deals.

 

[stringer bell]

 

[zzombie]

How did this thread turn into a Islam referendum?

Thread started out promising - discussion about economics, the markets, and trade deals.

because like i told you everything in the world does not revolve around money.... politics and sociology are equally as important, breixt is largely the result of native English people feeling that the long term survival of their culture and national identity is more important than economic benefit.

 

[zzombie]

It's ironic that Muslims are blamed for destroying societies that they helped create. The flow of Moors into Europe during and after the 8th Century brought intellect, ideas, science, agricultural methods, etc. This exchange of ideas gave enlightenment to Europe's Dark Ages. This history should not be ignored.

But even from a modern perspective, if conservatism is needed in Europe and America then that makes Muslim immigrants that much more necessary. Religion and conservatism are declining in the West; more people are leaning to the Left. The west's position on the political spectrum is shifting closer to socialism. Muslims usually have values that are staunchly conservative, so the fact that they are denied entry into many western nations by conservatives is counterproductive to the growth and stability of the right. Without Islam the Laissez-Faire may die.

The conservative values of Muslims are not the conservative values of the west and right leaning political parties are growing as a result of leftist allowing muslims into western nations so you are totally wrong the right is growing.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

EU related laws make up a sixth of UK statutes, 12,000+ regulations, everything from bank, consumer rules, to food standards. Source: FT

- good luck untangling that

@zzombie

Seems like England is mad at the Poles, Russians, Albanians, the Arabs with $ and without. Never mind the Indian and Caribbean who've been there 50+ years.

Curbing immigration is one thing, being a closed economy is a dangerous premise.

Maybe the markets are overreacting but the next two years are going to be headaches for lawyers and civil servants.

And if Scotland leaves UK and Northern Ireland unites with Ireland, shhhhit no more Great Britain

 

[ThaNubianGod]

EU related laws make up a sixth of UK statutes, 12,000+ regulations, everything from bank, consumer rules, to food standards. Source: FT

- good luck untangling that

@zzombie

Seems like England is mad at the Poles, Russians, Albanians, the Arabs with $ and without. Never mind the Indian and Caribbean who've been there 50+ years.

Curbing immigration is one thing, being a closed economy is a dangerous premise.

Maybe the markets are overreacting but the next two years are going to be headaches for lawyers and civil servants.

And if Scotland leaves UK and Northern Ireland unites with Ireland, shhhhit no more Great Britain

Hmm, but you just started your post on the 12,000+ regulation the EU had on them. UK isn't going for a closed economy, they just want the ability to control things within their borders, and not foreign entities.

 

[zzombie]

EU related laws make up a sixth of UK statutes, 12,000+ regulations, everything from bank, consumer rules, to food standards. Source: FT

- good luck untangling that

@zzombie

Seems like England is mad at the Poles, Russians, Albanians, the Arabs with $ and without. Never mind the Indian and Caribbean who've been there 50+ years.

Curbing immigration is one thing, being a closed economy is a dangerous premise.

Maybe the markets are overreacting but the next two years are going to be headaches for lawyers and civil servants.

And if Scotland leaves UK and Northern Ireland unites with Ireland, shhhhit no more Great Britain

Who wants to put up with regulations being enforced on you from other nations??? a foreign not totally democratic entity making regulations for a sovereign nation is a recipe for disaster and sooner or later it has to end. I don't think England wants to be a closed economy they just want more freedom and i also don't think they want a total stop on immigration they simply want greater control of their immigration policy.

and clearly the markets are over reacting, brexit just happened so everyone is a little shocked... will Scotland leave??? it's their right to do so but i don't think they ultimately will because to begin with they will have to attain independence then apply to the e.u just like any other European nation and that can take a very long time and this also create economic and political turmoil in Scotland.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

EU related laws make up a sixth of UK statutes, 12,000+ regulations, everything from bank, consumer rules, to food standards. Source: FT

- good luck untangling that

@zzombie

Seems like England is mad at the Poles, Russians, Albanians, the Arabs with $ and without. Never mind the Indian and Caribbean who've been there 50+ years.

Curbing immigration is one thing, being a closed economy is a dangerous premise.

Maybe the markets are overreacting but the next two years are going to be headaches for lawyers and civil servants.

And if Scotland leaves UK and Northern Ireland unites with Ireland, shhhhit no more Great Britain

Hmm, but you just started your post on the 12,000+ regulation the EU had on them. UK isn't going for a closed economy, they just want the ability to control things within their borders, and not foreign entities.

good luck if you think Merkel isn't going to make exiting painful. She's going to set an example. Those re negotiated deals aren't going to be as favorable. And with that, London won't be the financial hub of Europe any more. That's going to Frankfurt or Amsterdam.

I'm for economic integration. I'm pro trade deals, the easier it is to export and import goods the better - this means, countries should share labor, consumer, and banking regulatory standards. Should be a high bar as the minimum.

Nationalism for the sake of poverty (hyperbole I know - better words are less growth) does no one any good.

 

[ThaNubianGod]

EU related laws make up a sixth of UK statutes, 12,000+ regulations, everything from bank, consumer rules, to food standards. Source: FT

- good luck untangling that

@zzombie

Seems like England is mad at the Poles, Russians, Albanians, the Arabs with $ and without. Never mind the Indian and Caribbean who've been there 50+ years.

Curbing immigration is one thing, being a closed economy is a dangerous premise.

Maybe the markets are overreacting but the next two years are going to be headaches for lawyers and civil servants.

And if Scotland leaves UK and Northern Ireland unites with Ireland, shhhhit no more Great Britain

Hmm, but you just started your post on the 12,000+ regulation the EU had on them. UK isn't going for a closed economy, they just want the ability to control things within their borders, and not foreign entities.

good luck if you think Merkel isn't going to make exiting painful. She's going to set an example. Those re negotiated deals aren't going to be as favorable. And with that, London won't be the financial hub of Europe any more. That's going to Frankfurt or Amsterdam.

I'm for economic integration. I'm pro trade deals, the easier it is to export and import goods the better - this means, countries should share labor, consumer, and banking regulatory standards. Should be a high bar as the minimum.

Nationalism for the sake of poverty (hyperbole I know - better words are less growth) does no one any good.

Again though, look at what you're saying. So Merkel...a foreign leader is going to make the UK suffer? That right there is the problem. And no, globalism isn't good for anyone but the elite, and stragglers who live their life on the public dime. The UK will be fine.

 

[zzombie]

EU related laws make up a sixth of UK statutes, 12,000+ regulations, everything from bank, consumer rules, to food standards. Source: FT

- good luck untangling that

@zzombie

Seems like England is mad at the Poles, Russians, Albanians, the Arabs with $ and without. Never mind the Indian and Caribbean who've been there 50+ years.

Curbing immigration is one thing, being a closed economy is a dangerous premise.

Maybe the markets are overreacting but the next two years are going to be headaches for lawyers and civil servants.

And if Scotland leaves UK and Northern Ireland unites with Ireland, shhhhit no more Great Britain

Hmm, but you just started your post on the 12,000+ regulation the EU had on them. UK isn't going for a closed economy, they just want the ability to control things within their borders, and not foreign entities.

good luck if you think Merkel isn't going to make exiting painful. She's going to set an example. Those re negotiated deals aren't going to be as favorable. And with that, London won't be the financial hub of Europe any more. That's going to Frankfurt or Amsterdam.

I'm for economic integration. I'm pro trade deals, the easier it is to export and import goods the better - this means, countries should share labor, consumer, and banking regulatory standards. Should be a high bar as the minimum.

Nationalism for the sake of poverty (hyperbole I know - better words are less growth) does no one any good.

The odds are great Merkel won't be around in the next two years her popularity in Germany is in the trash can. Human nature always bends toward tribalism therefore nationalism is sweeping europe and if the actions of the e.u towards the u.k are seen as being to harsh by the e.u citizens that favor nationalism then there is going to be an even bigger backlash against the e.u. within member states.

I used to be on the Milton Friedman unrestricted trade deal no problem with trade deficits bandwagon... but the reality is that that form of national economic deal causes political problems because it eliminates low class jobs in richer nations.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

EU related laws make up a sixth of UK statutes, 12,000+ regulations, everything from bank, consumer rules, to food standards. Source: FT

- good luck untangling that

@zzombie

Seems like England is mad at the Poles, Russians, Albanians, the Arabs with $ and without. Never mind the Indian and Caribbean who've been there 50+ years.

Curbing immigration is one thing, being a closed economy is a dangerous premise.

Maybe the markets are overreacting but the next two years are going to be headaches for lawyers and civil servants.

And if Scotland leaves UK and Northern Ireland unites with Ireland, shhhhit no more Great Britain

Hmm, but you just started your post on the 12,000+ regulation the EU had on them. UK isn't going for a closed economy, they just want the ability to control things within their borders, and not foreign entities.

good luck if you think Merkel isn't going to make exiting painful. She's going to set an example. Those re negotiated deals aren't going to be as favorable. And with that, London won't be the financial hub of Europe any more. That's going to Frankfurt or Amsterdam.

I'm for economic integration. I'm pro trade deals, the easier it is to export and import goods the better - this means, countries should share labor, consumer, and banking regulatory standards. Should be a high bar as the minimum.

Nationalism for the sake of poverty (hyperbole I know - better words are less growth) does no one any good.

Again though, look at what you're saying. So Merkel...a foreign leader is going to make the UK suffer? That right there is the problem. And no, globalism isn't good for anyone but the elite, and stragglers who live their life on the public dime. The UK will be fine.

Look at the tag of your household items to see where they are made, stop the nonsense. Wage hasn't caught up to the productivity growth, we can agree on that and we should remedy that - slightly* higher min wage, corporate tax reform, getting rid of mortgage interest deduction, cutting the $600b defense budget, increasing labor rights

It's naive to think foreign leaders shouldn't/don't have influence - the degree to which should be debated. U.K. Has to negotiate with a counterparty, happens that the counterparty Merkel has leverage.

 

[zzombie]

EU related laws make up a sixth of UK statutes, 12,000+ regulations, everything from bank, consumer rules, to food standards. Source: FT

- good luck untangling that

@zzombie

Seems like England is mad at the Poles, Russians, Albanians, the Arabs with $ and without. Never mind the Indian and Caribbean who've been there 50+ years.

Curbing immigration is one thing, being a closed economy is a dangerous premise.

Maybe the markets are overreacting but the next two years are going to be headaches for lawyers and civil servants.

And if Scotland leaves UK and Northern Ireland unites with Ireland, shhhhit no more Great Britain

Hmm, but you just started your post on the 12,000+ regulation the EU had on them. UK isn't going for a closed economy, they just want the ability to control things within their borders, and not foreign entities.

good luck if you think Merkel isn't going to make exiting painful. She's going to set an example. Those re negotiated deals aren't going to be as favorable. And with that, London won't be the financial hub of Europe any more. That's going to Frankfurt or Amsterdam.

I'm for economic integration. I'm pro trade deals, the easier it is to export and import goods the better - this means, countries should share labor, consumer, and banking regulatory standards. Should be a high bar as the minimum.

Nationalism for the sake of poverty (hyperbole I know - better words are less growth) does no one any good.

Again though, look at what you're saying. So Merkel...a foreign leader is going to make the UK suffer? That right there is the problem. And no, globalism isn't good for anyone but the elite, and stragglers who live their life on the public dime. The UK will be fine.

Look at the tag of your household items to see where they are made, stop the nonsense. Wage hasn't caught up to the productivity growth, we can agree on that and we should remedy that - slightly* higher min wage, corporate tax reform, getting rid of mortgage interest deduction, cutting the $600b defense budget, increasing labor rights

It's naive to think foreign leaders shouldn't/don't have influence - the degree to which should be debated. U.K. Has to negotiate with a counterparty, happens that the counterparty Merkel has leverage.

It was debated in the u.k and it was decided that the E.U has too much influence... The U.K WANTS THE FREEDOM TO determine all of it's economic policies and trade decisions. what you are arguing for is for ruler ship from the outside. The next major german election will be in the summer of next year merkel will lose.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

The play would've been to make changes from within the trade zone.

I'll be following the exit negotiations over the next couple of years, I'm buying the European bank index at some point as I think the stock market overreacted with a -20% decline

Time will tell.

 

[CracceR]

are you making money or losing with this brexit stuff @Sion ?

 

[2stepz_ahead]

are you making money or losing with this brexit stuff @Sion ?

why u aint ask me?

u a rasict.

 

[DNB1]

50% rise in reports of race related hate crimes since Brexit.

The true colours are shining through. I still strongly believe racists were the strong vote behind England leaving the EU

And no, not just aimed at Muslims...anyone not English...a lot of Polish have been attacked, and in general public racism is rising.

 

[Preach2Teach]

50% rise in reports of race related hate crimes since Brexit.

The true colours are shining through. I still strongly believe racists were the strong vote behind England leaving the EU

And no, not just aimed at Muslims...anyone not English...a lot of Polish have been attacked, and in general public racism is rising.

My question is how did they gather the data so fast of a 50% rise? it hasn't even been a week yet since we voted out, I do not believe anything the news tells me anymore, there always has and always will be small minded idiots in the world but as a British citizen I know the majority of people are good so fuck the news, wouldn't surprise me if they try to create some kind of race war like they tried to in America last year.

 

[DNB1]

50% rise in reports of race related hate crimes since Brexit.

The true colours are shining through. I still strongly believe racists were the strong vote behind England leaving the EU

And no, not just aimed at Muslims...anyone not English...a lot of Polish have been attacked, and in general public racism is rising.

My question is how did they gather the data so fast of a 50% rise? it hasn't even been a week yet since we voted out, I do not believe anything the news tells me anymore, there always has and always will be small minded idiots in the world but as a British citizen I know the majority of people are good so fuck the news, wouldn't surprise me if they try to create some kind of race war like they tried to in America last year.

Sky news reported that the police have taken reports of what is a 50% increase in racially motivated hate crimes.

But I cosign in not believing everything the media sell us.

 

[CracceR]

are you making money or losing with this brexit stuff @Sion ?

My holdings have practically remained the same. I'm looking to buy right now. I've been looking at British Land Co., Capital & Regional and Sainsbury (all UK companies). Haven't pulled trigger yet because I'm still researching. The only thing I bought more of was Fairfax Financial.

you wanna buy and hold on to them for how long?

i heard once the brits invoke article 50 everything is gonna drop even alot more

 

[ThaNubianGod]

Markets already bouncing back. Globalists taking a big L.