The Official 2015 NFL Offseason/Draft Thread

[Shizlansky]

This is stupid shit that's being said about mariota. But never say how he's better

Derek Carr was selected 36th overall in 2014 by the Oakland Raiders and earned the starting quarterback job out of training camp. Carr started all 16 games, threw for 3,000 yards and threw nine more touchdowns than interceptions in his rookie year.

According to the most recent mock drafts by Todd McShay and Mel Kiper, the Raiders will be looking to add weapons for Carr with the fourth overall pick at the 2015 NFL draft, specifically at wide receiver with either West Virginia's Kevin White or Alabama's Amari Cooper.

But the projections indicate that Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota also could be available at No. 4 come April 30. Given the option, the Raiders shouldn't look to upgrade the supporting cast for their quarterback -- they should look to upgrade the quarterback.

Sixteen games may seem too small a sample size to evaluate Carr's future, but the evidence suggests Oakland has enough information to determine if he's the future or not.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Here is some of what he lays out as reasons the Raiders should seriously consider giving up on Carr after 16 rookie starts:

A deeper dive into Carr's numbers suggest his 2014 season left a lot to be desired, however. Carr finished the season with a 38.4 Total QBR, which ranked 28th out of 33 qualified quarterbacks. His QBR didn't rank favorably among other recent rookies, either. Of the 27 rookies to qualify since 2006 -- as far back as Total QBR data goes -- Carr's QBR ranks 15th, sandwiched between EJ Manuel (38.4) and Geno Smith (35.9).

Carr's QBR suffered because of minimal gains made on his passes. He averaged a mere 5.46 yards per attempt last season, which was not only worst in the NFL last season, it was one of the worst all time.

In the history of the NFL, only three quarterbacks have thrown at least 500 passes in a season and averaged fewer than 5.50 yards per attempt: Carr, Joey Harrington and Chris Weinke. Harrington and Weinke both did so within the first two years of their careers, and neither lasted long in the NFL.

Carr's inability to hit the deep ball contributed to his low yards per attempt. Carr completed a league-worst 22.4 percent of his passes thrown at least 20 yards downfield last season, and it's not as though his receivers were to blame. The Raiders lacked big-name receivers in 2013 as well, but the team ranked 12th overall completing deep passes (38.1 percent).

He then moves on to his future projections based on previous examples. He uses those past examples to come to the conclusion that "it's unlikely he'll improve to the level of an above-average NFL starter."

sose career QBR is 9.8 points better than his first 16 starts (28.9).

A QBR of 50.0 is considered average, so Carr would need an improvement of nearly 12 points over his career to reach that mark. Only Matthew Stafford, who has improved by 13.4 points from his first 16 starts, has reached those levels. Stafford also had the talent level to be drafted No. 1 overall in 2009, and dealt with injuries early in his career.

He then compares the two quarterbacks' college QBR as a means of showing Mariota has greater potential to be a successful pro than Carr has shown or will show.

Mariota carries the potential of a franchise quarterback, something Carr has yet to display at either level. In college Carr logged three full seasons as Fresno State's quarterback and never posted a QBR season higher than 77.0. By comparison, Mariota's worst QBR in three seasons as Oregon's starter was 86.2.

Their performances at the collegiate level could be indicative of their ceilings in the professional ranks. There were 83 college quarterbacks from 2004-14 who logged three or more seasons of sub-80 QBRs. That group saw seven NFL starters last season: Carr, Nick Foles, Geno Smith, Austin Davis, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and Chad Henne. As of now, Foles and Carr appear to be the only two of that group with a starting job in 2015. Quarterbacks with at least one season of QBR at or above 80 in the past 10 collegiate seasons include Luck, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, Alex Smith, Teddy Bridgewater, Andy Dalton, Robert Griffin III and Sam Bradford.

his whole rationale boils down to qbr essentially

 

[Shizlansky]

Here is some of what he lays out as reasons the Raiders should seriously consider giving up on Carr after 16 rookie starts:

A deeper dive into Carr's numbers suggest his 2014 season left a lot to be desired, however. Carr finished the season with a 38.4 Total QBR, which ranked 28th out of 33 qualified quarterbacks. His QBR didn't rank favorably among other recent rookies, either. Of the 27 rookies to qualify since 2006 -- as far back as Total QBR data goes -- Carr's QBR ranks 15th, sandwiched between EJ Manuel (38.4) and Geno Smith (35.9).

Carr's QBR suffered because of minimal gains made on his passes. He averaged a mere 5.46 yards per attempt last season, which was not only worst in the NFL last season, it was one of the worst all time.

In the history of the NFL, only three quarterbacks have thrown at least 500 passes in a season and averaged fewer than 5.50 yards per attempt: Carr, Joey Harrington and Chris Weinke. Harrington and Weinke both did so within the first two years of their careers, and neither lasted long in the NFL.

Carr's inability to hit the deep ball contributed to his low yards per attempt. Carr completed a league-worst 22.4 percent of his passes thrown at least 20 yards downfield last season, and it's not as though his receivers were to blame. The Raiders lacked big-name receivers in 2013 as well, but the team ranked 12th overall completing deep passes (38.1 percent).

He then moves on to his future projections based on previous examples. He uses those past examples to come to the conclusion that "it's unlikely he'll improve to the level of an above-average NFL starter."

sose career QBR is 9.8 points better than his first 16 starts (28.9).

A QBR of 50.0 is considered average, so Carr would need an improvement of nearly 12 points over his career to reach that mark. Only Matthew Stafford, who has improved by 13.4 points from his first 16 starts, has reached those levels. Stafford also had the talent level to be drafted No. 1 overall in 2009, and dealt with injuries early in his career.

He then compares the two quarterbacks' college QBR as a means of showing Mariota has greater potential to be a successful pro than Carr has shown or will show.

Mariota carries the potential of a franchise quarterback, something Carr has yet to display at either level. In college Carr logged three full seasons as Fresno State's quarterback and never posted a QBR season higher than 77.0. By comparison, Mariota's worst QBR in three seasons as Oregon's starter was 86.2.

Their performances at the collegiate level could be indicative of their ceilings in the professional ranks. There were 83 college quarterbacks from 2004-14 who logged three or more seasons of sub-80 QBRs. That group saw seven NFL starters last season: Carr, Nick Foles, Geno Smith, Austin Davis, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and Chad Henne. As of now, Foles and Carr appear to be the only two of that group with a starting job in 2015. Quarterbacks with at least one season of QBR at or above 80 in the past 10 collegiate seasons include Luck, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, Alex Smith, Teddy Bridgewater, Andy Dalton, Robert Griffin III and Sam Bradford.

his whole rationale boils down to qbr essentially

Dude had more TDs then INTs in Oakland. My nigga oakland.

That's a fucking massive win

 

[Shizlansky]

I keep reading his has franchise potential but they never say what it is he has to be that.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Here is some of what he lays out as reasons the Raiders should seriously consider giving up on Carr after 16 rookie starts:

A deeper dive into Carr's numbers suggest his 2014 season left a lot to be desired, however. Carr finished the season with a 38.4 Total QBR, which ranked 28th out of 33 qualified quarterbacks. His QBR didn't rank favorably among other recent rookies, either. Of the 27 rookies to qualify since 2006 -- as far back as Total QBR data goes -- Carr's QBR ranks 15th, sandwiched between EJ Manuel (38.4) and Geno Smith (35.9).

Carr's QBR suffered because of minimal gains made on his passes. He averaged a mere 5.46 yards per attempt last season, which was not only worst in the NFL last season, it was one of the worst all time.

In the history of the NFL, only three quarterbacks have thrown at least 500 passes in a season and averaged fewer than 5.50 yards per attempt: Carr, Joey Harrington and Chris Weinke. Harrington and Weinke both did so within the first two years of their careers, and neither lasted long in the NFL.

Carr's inability to hit the deep ball contributed to his low yards per attempt. Carr completed a league-worst 22.4 percent of his passes thrown at least 20 yards downfield last season, and it's not as though his receivers were to blame. The Raiders lacked big-name receivers in 2013 as well, but the team ranked 12th overall completing deep passes (38.1 percent).

He then moves on to his future projections based on previous examples. He uses those past examples to come to the conclusion that "it's unlikely he'll improve to the level of an above-average NFL starter."

sose career QBR is 9.8 points better than his first 16 starts (28.9).

A QBR of 50.0 is considered average, so Carr would need an improvement of nearly 12 points over his career to reach that mark. Only Matthew Stafford, who has improved by 13.4 points from his first 16 starts, has reached those levels. Stafford also had the talent level to be drafted No. 1 overall in 2009, and dealt with injuries early in his career.

He then compares the two quarterbacks' college QBR as a means of showing Mariota has greater potential to be a successful pro than Carr has shown or will show.

Mariota carries the potential of a franchise quarterback, something Carr has yet to display at either level. In college Carr logged three full seasons as Fresno State's quarterback and never posted a QBR season higher than 77.0. By comparison, Mariota's worst QBR in three seasons as Oregon's starter was 86.2.

Their performances at the collegiate level could be indicative of their ceilings in the professional ranks. There were 83 college quarterbacks from 2004-14 who logged three or more seasons of sub-80 QBRs. That group saw seven NFL starters last season: Carr, Nick Foles, Geno Smith, Austin Davis, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and Chad Henne. As of now, Foles and Carr appear to be the only two of that group with a starting job in 2015. Quarterbacks with at least one season of QBR at or above 80 in the past 10 collegiate seasons include Luck, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, Alex Smith, Teddy Bridgewater, Andy Dalton, Robert Griffin III and Sam Bradford.

his whole rationale boils down to qbr essentially

Here is some of what he lays out as reasons the Raiders should seriously consider giving up on Carr after 16 rookie starts:

A deeper dive into Carr's numbers suggest his 2014 season left a lot to be desired, however. Carr finished the season with a 38.4 Total QBR, which ranked 28th out of 33 qualified quarterbacks. His QBR didn't rank favorably among other recent rookies, either. Of the 27 rookies to qualify since 2006 -- as far back as Total QBR data goes -- Carr's QBR ranks 15th, sandwiched between EJ Manuel (38.4) and Geno Smith (35.9).

Carr's QBR suffered because of minimal gains made on his passes. He averaged a mere 5.46 yards per attempt last season, which was not only worst in the NFL last season, it was one of the worst all time.

In the history of the NFL, only three quarterbacks have thrown at least 500 passes in a season and averaged fewer than 5.50 yards per attempt: Carr, Joey Harrington and Chris Weinke. Harrington and Weinke both did so within the first two years of their careers, and neither lasted long in the NFL.

Carr's inability to hit the deep ball contributed to his low yards per attempt. Carr completed a league-worst 22.4 percent of his passes thrown at least 20 yards downfield last season, and it's not as though his receivers were to blame. The Raiders lacked big-name receivers in 2013 as well, but the team ranked 12th overall completing deep passes (38.1 percent).

He then moves on to his future projections based on previous examples. He uses those past examples to come to the conclusion that "it's unlikely he'll improve to the level of an above-average NFL starter."

sose career QBR is 9.8 points better than his first 16 starts (28.9).

A QBR of 50.0 is considered average, so Carr would need an improvement of nearly 12 points over his career to reach that mark. Only Matthew Stafford, who has improved by 13.4 points from his first 16 starts, has reached those levels. Stafford also had the talent level to be drafted No. 1 overall in 2009, and dealt with injuries early in his career.

He then compares the two quarterbacks' college QBR as a means of showing Mariota has greater potential to be a successful pro than Carr has shown or will show.

Mariota carries the potential of a franchise quarterback, something Carr has yet to display at either level. In college Carr logged three full seasons as Fresno State's quarterback and never posted a QBR season higher than 77.0. By comparison, Mariota's worst QBR in three seasons as Oregon's starter was 86.2.

Their performances at the collegiate level could be indicative of their ceilings in the professional ranks. There were 83 college quarterbacks from 2004-14 who logged three or more seasons of sub-80 QBRs. That group saw seven NFL starters last season: Carr, Nick Foles, Geno Smith, Austin Davis, Christian Ponder, Jake Locker and Chad Henne. As of now, Foles and Carr appear to be the only two of that group with a starting job in 2015. Quarterbacks with at least one season of QBR at or above 80 in the past 10 collegiate seasons include Luck, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, Alex Smith, Teddy Bridgewater, Andy Dalton, Robert Griffin III and Sam Bradford.

his whole rationale boils down to qbr essentially

Dude had more TDs then INTs in Oakland. My nigga oakland.

That's a fucking massive win

It would be one thing if you were trying to get a Andrew Luck or Winston can't miss kinda guy ...but for Marcus Mariota??? Lol nigga please

 

[nj2089]

I think Mariota will end up being drafted by the titans

 

[dbrazil412]

Mariota gonna be decent imo.. He aint gotta be andrew luck but i have no reason to believe he cant be russ wilson

 

[Max.]

Greg Olson (former raiders oc) is the worst bruh!!! He ran the same 10 plays for carr...i would literally know the play ...we need a WR,,carr xam make all the throws

 

[infamous114]

Would have been nice
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/580441852689678338

 

[its....JOHN B]

I guess a healthy Cameron is better than Clay but Clay was pretty good for them, not sure who is the better blocker of the two, I thought they were going to keep both of them which I was worried about

 

[Shizlansky]

Mariota gonna be decent imo.. He aint gotta be andrew luck but i have no reason to believe he cant be russ wilson

How?

What do see to say that?

 

[5th Letter]

Mariota is a great athlete dude is fast and quick as shit. But nothing about his college game leads me to believe that he will succeed at the next level.

 

[StoneColdMikey]

bears picked up Mcdonald

 

[MR.CJ]

NFL Adjusts Rule Defining Catch
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ewords-rule-clarify-definition-completed-pass

 

[d.green]

ESPN's Sal Paolantonio confirms the Browns offered the Rams a first-round pick for Sam Bradford.

 

[af.r.i.c.a.]

ESPN's Sal Paolantonio confirms the Browns offered the Rams a first-round pick for Sam Bradford.

ESPN's Sal Paolantonio confirms the Browns offered the Rams a first-round pick for Sam Bradford.

Nice that just adds to the Philly Mariotta speculation. Give us both firsts a third this year and a second next and I'm good. Also heard Riverd could be on the block after refusing to sign an extention. We need to get the Chargers in the phone.

 

[marc123]

Lol being a Browns fan must suck

 

[nj2089]

Browns no longer interested in Sam Bradford

 

[BDBIID]

This nigga Chip hilarious just threw Howie Roseman under infinite busses.
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/580751298812760064

 

[bigev240]

This nigga Chip hilarious just threw Howie Roseman under infinite busses.
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/580751298812760064

He talking that bullshit. The only way he could have got Beckham is if he moved up in the draft. They didn't pick until 26 in the draft.