DoUwant2go2Heaven?;2030004 said:More outlandish than
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Yeah, doubt it.
Doesn't work like that.
Although you can be eaten by a BIG FISH (whale) and live to tell about it 3 days later.
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DoUwant2go2Heaven?;2030004 said:More outlandish than
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Yeah, doubt it.
VIBE86;2029974 said:Because it's a must for us.
Just like a non-believer states a belief in a BBT, you then state, "something cannot come from nothing, something must come from something". In your belief God must have created everything, so there you have "something coming from something". Now if something can't come from nothing, where does God come from? He can't come from nothing, everything has a beginning. God cannot just be, there's no way. God was just floating around in darkness and said, hey, I'm gonna make something today?
What is God, where does he come from? If that can be answered then hey...
bootsy_jenkins;2029975 said:And other than "It says so in the Bible" What proof do you have that supports this statement?
Word, reminds me of this:VIBE86;2030036 said:Doesn't work like that.
Although you can be eaten by a BIG FISH (whale) and live to tell about it 3 days later.
fiat_money;2029979 said:Evolution is an observable biological process, not a being itself, let alone a sentient one; so it's not something that can consciously make "decisions". And not all hearts have enclosing membranes/sacs, such as hearts in open circulatory systems.
So your question makes two false assumptions; the first being that evolution can make "decisions", and the second being that all organisms have/need membrane/sac enclosed hearts.
The significance of the latter part here is that the organisms with simpler circulatory systems are the organisms with open circulatory systems, and that these organisms predate other organisms with more complex circulatory systems. This is an example of the circulatory systems and the hearts within organisms changing and becoming more developed over time; which is a form of biological evolution.
................................key words in the bolded. Hence the term "spiritual" not religion.solid analysis;2030086 said:The "if everything comes from something, then where does God come from?", silly, never-ending question (used as a hypothetical argument) is so weeeaaak and tiiiiired....they still make those?
first, God is a spirit. The physical universe is not.
Second, you readily accept the idea that any answer given to that stupid question necessarily requires another question of the same nature, thus there's no real beginning or end to the 'answer', and that's acceptable, but the idea of God having no beginning and no end is unacceptable. excellent objective thinking!
solid analysis;2030086 said:The "if everything comes from something, then where does God come from?", silly, never-ending question (used as a hypothetical argument) is so weeeaaak and tiiiiired....they still make those?
first, God is a spirit. The physical universe is not.
Second, you readily accept the idea that any answer given to that stupid question necessarily requires another question of the same nature, thus there's no real beginning or end to the 'answer', and that's acceptable, but the idea of God having no beginning and no end is unacceptable. excellent objective thinking!
bootsy_jenkins;2030128 said:Did man really evolve from an ape? Or, is it that both man and ape are, along with all of the other flora and fauna, creations of a giant intellect that first perceived an unfathomable spiritual need and created all time, mass, space, light, and life as it is today directly from His thought, and only a few thousand years ago? Or could it be that these two concepts, though seemingly worlds apart, are merely two different sides of the same coin? Could it be possible that the theory of evolution is not a denial of God, but a description of how God created a system that in turn produced the miracle of life and all of its manifestations?
You're confusing two types "decision" here. With the question "How did evolution 'decide' that the heart needed a protective sac?", the type of "decision" you referenced is an choosing action that was made consciously; which fits the below definition:DoUwant2go2Heaven?;2030074 said:...You saying that evolution can't make decisions is a self defeating statement because evolution is based upon natural selection, which "does make decisions"......So what are you really saying? Oh wait, NON-INTELLIGENCE naturally selected hearts to have a protective sac. Right....................
Now, however, your usage of the process of natural selection references the type of "decision" that is an occurring action (or actions) that produce(s) an outcome:1. a : to make a final choice or judgment about
b : to select as a course of action —used with an infinitive
c : to infer on the basis of evidence : conclude
These are not the same. Hence, why I stated that evolution is "not something that can consciously make 'decisions'."2: to bring to a definitive end
bootsy_jenkins;2030128 said:Did man really evolve from an ape? Or, is it that both man and ape are, along with all of the other flora and fauna, creations of a giant intellect that first perceived an unfathomable spiritual need and created all time, mass, space, light, and life as it is today directly from His thought, and only a few thousand years ago? Or could it be that these two concepts, though seemingly worlds apart, are merely two different sides of the same coin? Could it be possible that the theory of evolution is not a denial of God, but a description of how God created a system that in turn produced the miracle of life and all of its manifestations?
fiat_money;2030147 said:You're confusing two types "decision" here. With the question "How did evolution 'decide' that the heart needed a protective sac?", the type of "decision" you referenced is an choosing action that was made consciously; which fits the below definition:Now, however, your usage of the process of natural selection references the type of "decision" that is an occurring action (or actions) that produce(s) an outcome:These are not the same. Hence, why I stated that evolution is "not something that can consciously make 'decisions'."
I didn't answer the question because it makes false assumptions; therefore, an answer attempting to explain how evolution "decided" "that the heart needed a protective sac" would also be a result of those false assumptions.
Not a word game. If you ask "How did the internet decide to save Hitler from the Allied forces?", yet that never happened, then the question makes false assumptions.DoUwant2go2Heaven?;2030182 said:Come on bro. We really gonna play this game, huh? Man, you know exactly what I am talking about, but you want to play these silly word games. Miss me, please.............
fiat_money;2030214 said:Not a word game. If you ask "How did the internet decide to save Hitler from the Allied forces?", yet that never happened, then the question makes a false assumption.
I suppose though, if you must have an answer to "How did evolution 'decide' that the heart needed a protective sac?", it is simply "It didn't.".
ThaChozenWun;2030143 said:Learn how evolution is theorized to work then come back and answer that.
DoUwant2go2Heaven?;2030159 said:The theory of evolution is a denial of God because it assumes that God was not needed for the creation of life.
A clear and close reading of Genesis 1 will shatter any claims that evolution was used by God in order to create life. God created all plants and animals "AFTER THEIR OWN KIND". Genesis 1 repeatedly reasserts this in order to leave no doubt. God then goes on to differentiate the creation of plants and animals from the creation of Man by specifically declaring that man was made "after His image and likeness".
Again, read Genesis 1 in order to see for yourself. I would also advise you to ask God to reveal Himself to you as you read His holy text. God wants to save you my friend. But you must be willing to accept His free gift of salvation. God bless.
This is also false, since hearts don't "need" enclosing membranes/sacs. So neither evolution nor mythical beings decided that enclosing membranes/sacs are necessary for hearts.DoUwant2go2Heaven?;2030227 said:Your right it didn't, because God in His infinite wisdom knew what He was doing when He fearfully and wonderfully created us. Hallelujah!
bootsy_jenkins;2030255 said:That was more like a a "what if" theory. Don't get your panties all ruffled up.