The more I learn about the human body..........

[motrilla]

Isn't the alternative for Christians to believe god created man from the earths dust ?

if so I'm going with evolution

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I don't see how evolution would be a sound way to create anything if you had the power to create something perfect unless you guaranteed success. There is nothing that guarantees our success as a species. Many other species did not make it this far and humans in this form are particularly new to the evolutionary step ladder. Humans have a special ability to augment and supplement their adaptability as well as consolidate and correlate information that increases the odds of surviving an event that in the past could have wiped us out entirely. We're nowhere near perfect at predicting every possible outcome. There is just enough of us to bounce back after devastation.

Pretty much, I don't see why an intelligent designer would create something to evolve and in the process creating billions of species that will later go extinct. If a creator was the source why create a finite sun or finite water for an infinite species?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Wouldn't 'evolution' have to have some sort of 'intelligence' to get this far in the first place?

Just the species that is evolving.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

It is called nature. OR the forces and processes that produce and control all the phenomena of the material world.

No. God is the one who produces and controls all the phenomena of the material and immaterial world. Do you know Him?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Just the species that is evolving.

No no, I mean going from big bang to this point, wouldn't it have to have some sort of inherent intelligence?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Isn't the alternative for Christians to believe god created man from the earths dust ?

if so I'm going with evolution

Show me a corpse that turns to primordial ooze and i'll go with evolution. Till then I'll let God be true and all men liars. "for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." Genesis 3:19

 

[fiat_money]

lol. what instruments or formulas could be used to quantify or qualify "creative intelligence"? proof, proof, proof, prooof....blah blah blah. proof by whose standard? and what makes that standard so special?

What instruments or formula could be used to quantify or qualify the theory referenced above that "unobservably small pigs are the basis for everything"? This theory, and infinite others hold the same weight as the "creative intelligence" one.

furthermore, if you dont possess the equipment and other resources to personally observe what is "known" or "theoretical" then by your own standard you are guilty of belief. you are believing what someone else told you. you believe in how someone else defined a particular process. the process might be true but the definition and context will allways be subjective until a muthafucka builds a time machine.

Is this a reference to the process of biological evolution (biological change within organisms over time)?

I've personally done experiments to observe this process. Nearly anyone can.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

No no, I mean going from big bang to this point, wouldn't it have to have some sort of inherent intelligence?

No I don't think. Because if you take the stance that everything comes from something that means to me to that a god had to either come from nothing or be created, in which case if someone says god can come from nothing I don't see why something else can't.

In my belief nothing does not exist and something is the thing that always has been.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

No no, I mean going from big bang to this point, wouldn't it have to have some sort of inherent intelligence?

BA is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. One minute your hot, the next minute your cold. I guess your SN does fit you because you play both sides of the fence. But at the end of the day..........

[video=youtube;padvnsLUhUM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=padvnsLUhUM[/video]

 

[motrilla]

Show me a corpse that turns to primordial ooze and i'll go with evolution. Till then I'll let God be true and all men liars. "for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." Genesis 3:19

I don't claim to know the specifics on how and what humans evolved from what I do know is a mystical being creating humanity from the earths dust sounds outlandish

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

No I don't think. Because if you take the stance that everything comes from something that means to me to that a god had to either come from nothing or be created, in which case if someone says god can come from nothing I don't see why something else can't.

In my belief nothing does not exist and something is the thing that always has been.

Why does God have to come from anywhere? Just because our minds can't comprehend what an eternal being is, doesn't negate the fact that He is and has always existed.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Why does God have to come from anywhere? Just because our minds can't comprehend what an eternal being is, doesn't negate the fact that He is and has always existed.

So if this is possible why is it impossible for an infinite universe to be and always have been?

 

[VIBE]

Why does God have to come from anywhere? Just because our minds can't comprehend what an eternal being is, doesn't negate the fact that He is and has always existed.

Because it's a must for us.

Just like a non-believer states a belief in a BBT, you then state, "something cannot come from nothing, something must come from something". In your belief God must have created everything, so there you have "something coming from something". Now if something can't come from nothing, where does God come from? He can't come from nothing, everything has a beginning. God cannot just be, there's no way. God was just floating around in darkness and said, hey, I'm gonna make something today?

What is God, where does he come from? If that can be answered then hey...

 

[bootsy_jenkins]

No. God is the one who produces and controls all the phenomena of the material and immaterial world. Do you know Him?

And other than "It says so in the Bible" What proof do you have that supports this statement?

 

[fiat_money]

...How did evolution "decide" that the heart needed a protective sac?...

Evolution is an observable biological process, not a being itself, let alone a sentient one; so it's not something that can consciously make "decisions". And not all hearts have enclosing membranes/sacs, such as hearts in open circulatory systems.

So your question makes two false assumptions; the first being that evolution can make "decisions", and the second being that all organisms have/need membrane/sac enclosed hearts.

The significance of the latter part here is that the organisms with simpler circulatory systems are the organisms with open circulatory systems, and that these organisms predate other organisms with more complex circulatory systems. This is an example of the circulatory systems and the hearts within organisms changing and becoming more developed over time; which is a form of biological evolution.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

But at the end of the day..........

.......I'm just gathering understanding along the way.

No I don't think. Because if you take the stance that everything comes from something that means to me to that a god had to either come from nothing or be created, in which case if someone says god can come from nothing I don't see why something else can't.

In my belief nothing does not exist and something is the thing that always has been.

Every 'thing' came from 'no-thing'. Out of silence comes sound, out of void comes form, out of darkness comes light. In a beginning there was 'no-thing', undifferentiated energy, that had no sound, no light, nor form. If god is a happening, there is no need for a prior(something creating god), if god was caused then it not a happening(something that comes into existence without a prior event).

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Every 'thing' came from 'no-thing'. Out of silence comes sound, out of void comes form, out of darkness comes light. In a beginning there was 'no-thing', undifferentiated energy, that had no sound, no light, nor form. If god is a happening, there is no need for a prior(something creating god), if god was caused then it not a happening(something that comes into existence without a prior event).

You're not getting what I'm saying. Your saying that certain things can posses nothing, I'm saying there is never no absolute nothing. Out of darkness there is no light, but there is still darkness that exist, there is no known absolute silence, only to our ears are certain thing unable to be heard, even with differentiated energy it doesn't insinuate any intelligence, only that things can seemingly come from nowhere. This is my thing, for things that seemingly come from nowhere who says it is a god? We don't know where they come from, so who's to say it wasn't there just unable to be seen or heard in the present moment?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I don't claim to know the specifics on how and what humans evolved from what I do know is a mystical being creating humanity from the earths dust sounds outlandish

More outlandish than

Yeah, doubt it.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

So if this is possible why is it impossible for an infinite universe to be and always have been?

2nd law of thermodynamics. Study to show thyself approved. God bless.

 

[bootsy_jenkins]

Because it's a must for us.

Just like a non-believer states a belief in a BBT, you then state, "something cannot come from nothing, something must come from something". In your belief God must have created everything, so there you have "something coming from something". Now if something can't come from nothing, where does God come from? He can't come from nothing, everything has a beginning. God cannot just be, there's no way. God was just floating around in darkness and said, hey, I'm gonna make something today?

What is God, where does he come from? If that can be answered then hey...

No he said "I am going to make a place for creatures to exist so that they can earn admission to the cosmic VIP club that I created in the sky. And in this club you can't get in unless you bow and worship me because, you know who doesn't like to be worshiped? And i will give the creatures that I create in my image freewill but punish them when they don't do what I want them too. Or if they make me angry. And I get angry a LOT."