The more I learn about the human body..........

[ThaChozenWun]

The human heart? The same heart that is almost identical to pig hearts? The same animal hearts that are used to fix our own in transplants? Yea of course, it's not evolution it's god giving animals human parts!

Yea evolution.... when I see a chicken evolve into a fish I'll be that.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

The human heart? The same heart that is almost identical to pig hearts? The same animal hearts that are used to fix our own in transplants? Yea of course, it's not evolution it's god giving animals human parts!

Yea evolution.... when I see a chicken evolve into a fish I'll be that.

What your saying is irrelevant. What I said is how did evolution "decide" that the human heart needed a protective sac? How can non-intelligence figure something like that out? Please enlighten me oh wise one

 

[fiat_money]

It's interesting how mammals and birds have the more complex hearts of vertebrates; while reptiles, amphibians, and fish--organisms that predate mammals and birds--have less complex hearts.

Almost as though the hearts found in vertebrates changed and became more developed over time.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

What your saying is irrelevant. What I said is how did evolution "decide" that the human heart needed a protective sac? How can non-intelligence figure something like that out? Please enlighten me oh wise one

Because the heart is critical organ so it formed an extra shield around it over time. Snakes also have a precardial sac.

 

[bootsy_jenkins]

the more ridiculous the theory of evolution becomes. I mean how can anybody look at me with a straight face and tell me that the human heart evolved? I mean really? I mean like how can a person honestly look at me and tell me that the human heart evolved from some ancient primordial ooze? How did evolution "decide" that the heart needed a protective sac? Wheredeydodatat? LMAO! Evolution has to be in the top 10 of the most prepostrous ideas that man has ever conceived of. It's absolutely the most stupidest thing I have ever heard of, well that and the notion that God doesn't exist, which of course is the reason why evolution is even a theory to begin with. This world has gone absolutely mad. No wonder God said that in the last days men would forsake the truth for fables. God have mercy on the weak minded who have been and are being deceived by the serpent.

"1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:1-4

Your ignorance of science is mind boggling. This shows that when people have nothing but the bible as a reference they can't do anything but quote verses and propagate ignorance.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Because the heart is critical organ so it formed an extra shield around it over time. Snakes also have a precardial sac.

Man you really bringing some earth shattering, ground breaking, whowouldofthunkit knowledge man. WTH? Of course the heart is a critical organ. Nobody is that clueless. Now please explain how in the world NON-INTELLIGENCE can conceive of the heart needing a protective sac? I mean it's just the most ridiculous idea imaginable. I mean how can anybody with a brain even believe in evolution? Oh wait, God gives the answer in Romans 1.

"18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things." Romans 1:18-23

Thats just a snippet. The depravity of man will cause him to believe in anything. Even if it is contrary to rational, normal, and logical thinking. Amazing, huh?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Your ignorance of science is mind boggling. This shows that when people have nothing but the bible as a reference they can't do anything but quote verses and propagate ignorance.

Answer the question Bootsy. How did NON-INTELLIGENCE figure out that the heart needed a protective sac? Don't worry, i'll wait...........................

 

[judahxulu]

the question i have for either side is why cant some kind creative intelligence and some kind of evolution co-exist? do u ignore this possibility because it would destroy the concepts that YOU with your LIMITED understanding have defined them to be? the same people that poisoned religion are the same people that poisoned science.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

the question i have for either side is why cant some kind creative intelligence and some kind of evolution co-exists? do u ignore this possibility because it would destroy the concepts that YOU with your LIMITED understanding have defined them to be?

Genesis 1. Have you read it?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

the question i have for either side is why cant some kind creative intelligence and some kind of evolution co-exist? do u ignore this possibility because it would destroy the concepts that YOU with your LIMITED understanding have defined them to be? the same people that poisoned religion are the same people that poisoned science.

It can co-exist. I just don't believe it does. Could there be a creator that dropped organisms into existence and we formed from it, of course, but I don't believe in it. To me if a God like being did exist it's not something that dropped man and animals and trees onto Earth and designed this and this and has a plan for everything. To me it's without a doubt evolution took place, whether or not a being created those original organisms I don't believe can be proven or dis-proven on either side.

 

[bootsy_jenkins]

the question i have for either side is why cant some kind creative intelligence and some kind of evolution co-exist? do u ignore this possibility because it would destroy the concepts that YOU with your LIMITED understanding have defined them to be? the same people that poisoned religion are the same people that poisoned science.

Exactly. If there is a "creator" and I am not saying if it is or is not, the evolutionary way would be the most reasonable route to take given that that is the way that the entire universe came to be..

 

[fiat_money]

the question i have for either side is why cant some kind creative intelligence and some kind of evolution co-exist? do u ignore this possibility because it would destroy the concepts that YOU with your LIMITED understanding have defined them to be? the same people that poisoned religion are the same people that poisoned science.

There's an infinite number of theoretical beings/forces that can potentially coexist with known/observed/theoretical processes.

What makes some form of "creative intelligence" so special that it must be considered a possibility, without any proof of such?

A similar question would be: "Why can't the theory that unobservably small pigs are the basis for everything coexist with some kind of evolution?"

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

It can co-exist. I just don't believe it does. Could there be a creator that dropped organisms into existence and we formed from it, of course, but I don't believe in it. To me if a God like being did exist it's not something that dropped man and animals and trees onto Earth and designed this and this and has a plan for everything. To me it's without a doubt evolution took place, whether or not a being created those original organisms I don't believe can be proven or dis-proven on either side.

Yes it can be proven. You either believe REVELATION or you believe SPECULATION. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[judahxulu]

It can co-exist. I just don't believe it does. Could there be a creator that dropped organisms into existence and we formed from it, of course, but I don't believe in it. To me if a God like being did exist it's not something that dropped man and animals and trees onto Earth and designed this and this and has a plan for everything. To me it's without a doubt evolution took place, whether or not a being created those original organisms I don't believe can be proven or dis-proven on either side.

lol..well at least youre being honest and admitting BELIEF. but why does some being have to anthropromorphically DROP organisms somewhere? lol. u make it sound so cheap and cheesy like that.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

lol..well at least youre being honest and admitting BELIEF. but why does some being have to anthropromorphically DROP organisms somewhere? lol. u make it sound so cheap and cheesy like that.

Because it would be beyond any of our understanding if a God like being is the source of all creation. I wouldn't able to explain how it happened.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Exactly. If there is a "creator" and I am not saying if it is or is not, the evolutionary way would be the most reasonable route to take given that that is the way that the entire universe came to be..

LOL @ "the evolutionary way would be the most reasonable route to take given that that is the way that the entire universe came to be"

ORLY?

I'm still waiting for an answer to my original question bootsy.............

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I don't see how evolution would be a sound way to create anything if you had the power to create something perfect unless you guaranteed success. There is nothing that guarantees our success as a species. Many other species did not make it this far and humans in this form are particularly new to the evolutionary step ladder. Humans have a special ability to augment and supplement their adaptability as well as consolidate and correlate information that increases the odds of surviving an event that in the past could have wiped us out entirely. We're nowhere near perfect at predicting every possible outcome. There is just enough of us to bounce back after devastation.

 

[judahxulu]

There's an infinite number of theoretical beings/forces that can potentially coexist with known/observed/theoretical processes.

What makes some form of "creative intelligence" so special that it must be considered a possibility, without any proof of such?

lol. what instruments or formulas could be used to quantify or qualify "creative intelligence"? proof, proof, proof, prooof....blah blah blah. proof by whose standard? and what makes that standard so special?

furthermore, if you dont possess the equipment and other resources to personally observe what is "known" or "theoretical" then by your own standard you are guilty of belief. you are believing what someone else told you. you believe in how someone else defined a particular process. the process might be true but the definition and context will allways be subjective until a muthafucka builds a time machine.

 

[bootsy_jenkins]

Answer the question Bootsy. How did NON-INTELLIGENCE figure out that the heart needed a protective sac? Don't worry, i'll wait...........................

It is called nature. OR the forces and processes that produce and control all the phenomena of the material world.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Wouldn't 'evolution' have to have some sort of 'intelligence' to get this far in the first place?