The Hypocrisy of Abortion and Child Support

[5th Letter]

its not always a case of the woman wanting a child. might just be the fact that she is not comfortable with killing another innocent human being. so the baby must be had/
regardless the father has a responsiblity. foh, waver my booty.

So when women say I can take care of the baby by myself, they dont mean it? If they wanna have a baby then so be it but if the father doesn't want kids why must he be forced to be a dad, when women who dont want kids just have abortions and that's the end of it.

 

[Bossmancuddy83]

With the exception of religious folks, most people in America support a woman's right to have an abortion. When a chick goes and has an abortion, people never question it. As a matter of fact some even claim that that the chick is behaving in a responsible manner and rectifying a mistake. We except abortion as a reality of life and would never force a woman to be a mother against her will.

Men on the other hand aren't afforded the same luxury, rights, and esteem. No matter how the guy feels in the matter. He may be forced to become a parent against his will. Suddenly the same arguments made in support of abortion, have no validity concerning men.

Single motherhood is a prime example of women not facing their responsibilities and epitomizes their selfish, hypocritical, and irrational natures. Why in the name of God would a woman bear children with a man she isn't married too? How is it that a guy isn't good enough to be your husband, but then he's good enough to be the leading male figure in your child's life? What makes you think that if isn't willing to c ommit to you, he's going to all of a sudden turn into Ward Cleaver and be a responsible father? Single mothers think it's a great and wonderful thing to have these kids. They're under the delusion that they're doing to the "right thing." When in actuality women are having these kids either to keep the guy or they're just straight being vindictive. Why bring a child into a world with a guy who doesn't want you other than just to cause misery and discomfort in the next man's life?

Then there's the state sanctioned extortion which is called "child support." I fully support a woman's right to have an abortion. Nobody should be forced to have children they don't want. I also support a man's right not be a father. Some will argue that men have a responsibility to their children. That is a specious argument at best. Follow the logic:

1) Woman have 11 forms of birth control available to them. Men have two.

2) Women make the final decision in whether or not to have sex. If your having sex against your will that's a felony and you have the person arrested.

3) Women UNILATERALLY DECIDE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTINUE WITH THE PREGNANCY!!!

So ladies, with that being stated, how are men responsible for the children THAT YOU DECIDED TO HAVE OF YOU OWN FREE WILL??? Why do I have to subsidize your maternal instincts? Men should only have to pay child support if the children were born in wedlock or if the chick can prove in court that he agreed to financially support the children.

Up until recently, I used to feel like the majority of people, that guys who didn't take care of their kids were scumbags and one of the lowest forms of life. Then I thought about it. If we respect a woman's right not to be a mother, then why don't we support man's right not be a father, have money extorted from him, and be thrown into debtors prison for not capitulating to the extortion.

Here's a link to a guy in Michigan that's fighting to have men have the same reproductive rights as women, http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/08/father...index.html If he wins, then women will have be something they rarely ever are, responsible.

This is too real- im going through this right now!!!!!!!!!!!!! and i had a conversation about this and she resorts to the illogical woman bullshit that they all do when they cant support there argument with facts

 

[BabyBugatti]

So when women say I can take care of the baby by myself, they dont mean it? If they wanna have a baby then so be it but if the father doesn't want kids why must he be forced to be a dad, when women who dont want kids just have abortions and that's the end of it.

im sure when they say that its because they CAN, but they shouldnt HAVE to take care of a child alone. it takes 2 to make a baby.
at the end of the day as i said. you get her pregnant then your responsibilty. now women are fortunate enough to choose if they want the baby or not because they are the one most effected by pregnancy.
they're the one who carry the baby for 9 months
their the one who go through 20+ plus hours of labour
They are the ones who have to breast feed and go through aching nipples
they are the ones who have to lose all the baby weight and regain a sense of self
they are the ones who could possible have to deal with post partum depression
and they are the one who HAVE to be there for atleast 18 years of the kids life.
they deserve to have that choice.

now would it be NICE for a woman to take account the father view upon whether or not to have this baby? yes
but it is far from necessary.

 

[Fooley]

im sure when they say that its because they CAN, but they shouldnt HAVE to take care of a child alone. it takes 2 to make a baby.

at the end of the day as i said. you get her pregnant then your responsibilty. now women are fortunate enough to choose if they want the baby or not because they are the one most effected by pregnancy.

they're the one who carry the baby for 9 months

their the one who go through 20+ plus hours of labour

They are the ones who have to breast feed and go through aching nipples

they are the ones who have to lose all the baby weight and regain a sense of self

they are the ones who could possible have to deal with post partum depression

and they are the one who HAVE to be there for atleast 18 years of the kids life.

they deserve to have that choice.

now would it be NICE for a woman to take account the father view upon whether or not to have this baby? yes

but it is far from necessary.

if she doesn't want children she should close her legs. As long as abortion is legal, there should be no child support. The bolded is a lie bitches give up kids for adoption everyday. It doesn't matter if they have to do all these things anyway. When the child is born men have to give away a percentage of my check. But the explanation of that is, "The rights of the child come first." Same thing in this situation. end of story

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Well the pro-death side is also hypocritical in the fact that they will call Christians out for pushing their "religion" on others but when you show them indisputable SCIENTIFIC evidence that a fetus is a human being and that ending the life of an unborn child is KILLING A HUMAN BEING they come up with a bunch of hypocritical ignoramus excuses.

A human fetus is, obviously, human.

However, it is not a person. As such, it has no legal recourse. Destroying it is simply not murder. It's not even manslaughter. It's simply abortion.

Let's consider how early a pregnancy can be ended. Is it a "death" when a fertilized egg is dislodged and carried out by menstrual blood?

Is it a "death" when a tiny clump of cells is destroyed by a pill?

Do you believe there's some sort of magical property inherent in a fertilized human egg, even at its earliest stage, that negates a person's right to decide not to have a baby?

You might be superstitious, Josh.

 

[Fooley]

A human fetus is, obviously, human.

However, it is not a person. As such, it has no legal recourse. Destroying it is simply not murder. It's not even manslaughter. It's simply abortion.

Let's consider how early a pregnancy can be ended. Is it a "death" when a fertilized egg is dislodged and carried out by menstrual blood?

Is it a "death" when a tiny clump of cells is destroyed by a pill?

Do you believe there's some sort of magical property inherent in a fertilized human egg, even at its earliest stage, that negates a person's right to decide not to have a baby?

You might be superstitious, Josh.

is a parasite a living organism? Yes. Adult humans are only a clump of cells.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

they're the one who carry the baby for 9 months

They don't have to do that. That's the whole point. You can get an abortion.

their the one who go through 20+ plus hours of labour

And the man has to work 40+ hours a week, every week of the year in order to cover the hospital bills for the birth and everything thereafter.

They are the ones who have to breast feed and go through aching nipples

Are you seriously complaining that men don't produce milk?

they are the ones who have to lose all the baby weight and regain a sense of self

Every respectable person keeps in shape, including men.

they are the ones who could possible have to deal with post partum depression

And the men pay the bills for the medical insurance to cover the therapy and medication.

and they are the one who HAVE to be there for atleast 18 years of the kids life.

1. No, you can give up the kid for adoption.

2. The man also has to be there when the crazy bitch doesn't deserve custody.

 

[Aztec_Kang]

and since a man can't make one. he has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one.

-Tupac

 

[BabyBugatti]

if she doesn't want children she should close her legs. As long as abortion is legal, there should be no child support. The bolded is a lie bitches give up kids for adoption everyday. It doesn't matter if they have to do all these things anyway. When the child is born men have to give away a percentage of my check. But the explanation of that is, "The rights of the child come first." Same thing in this situation. end of story

who says she doesnt want children?
she just doesnt want children AT that time. and that logic is just stupid as fuck. oh you dont want kids? then never have sex. so cant the same be said for the niggas complaining? if THEY dont want kid then THEY should keep their trousers zipped.
wth has adoption got to do with this? im not understanding?
stop trying to come up with dumbass excuses. niggas need to step up to the fucking plate.
and you DO know that if men had custody of their child (full) then the woman would have to pay child support right?
so if nigga did their job and took care of their children full time,LIKE MOST WOMEN WHO GET CHILD SUPPORT DO, then they would be getting cheques from the woman.
stop with the excuses.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

is a parasite a living organism? Yes.

What's your point here? A fetus is not technically a parasite.

Adult humans are only a clump of cells.

Obviously, there is a biological and legal distinction between a thing made out of ten cells and a thing made out of ten BILLION cells.

 

[BabyBugatti]

They don't have to do that. That's the whole point. You can get an abortion.

And the man has to work 40+ hours a week, every week of the year in order to cover the hospital bills for the birth and everything thereafter.

Are you seriously complaining that men don't produce milk?

Every respectable person keeps in shape, including men.

And the men pay the bills for the medical insurance to cover the therapy and medication.

1. No, you can give up the kid for adoption.

2. The man also has to be there when the crazy bitch doesn't deserve custody.

i stopped when you compared everyday work to child labour.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

i stopped when you compared everyday work to child labour.

40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, all to pay the expenses for a woman who believed her man had no RIGHT in the discussion of whether or not to have a baby.

It's actually WORSE than going through labor.

 

[Fooley]

who says she doesnt want children?

she just doesnt want children AT that time. and that logic is just stupid as fuck. oh you dont want kids? then never have sex. so cant the same be said for the niggas complaining? if THEY dont want kid then THEY should keep their trousers zipped.

wth has adoption got to do with this? im not understanding?

stop trying to come up with dumbass excuses. niggas need to step up to the fucking plate.

and you DO know that if men had custody of their child (full) then the woman would have to pay child support right?

so if nigga did their job and took care of their children full time,LIKE MOST WOMEN WHO GET CHILD SUPPORT DO, then they would be getting cheques from the woman.

stop with the excuses.

You said, "at the end of the day as i said. you get her pregnant then your responsibility." Which is tantamount to, if a man doesn't want children, he should wear a condom. Apply that same logic to women. If she gets pregnant, it's her responsibility. She should have to take care of the baby, and not be allowed the easy way out. She should have to, "step up to the plate." If abortion was illegal, then I would agree with child support. But as long as abortion is legal, men shouldn't be forced to pay child support. Since only women are allowed to make the decision/choice, they should be the only one's financially responsible for the child.

Women get custody like 85% of the time. They only lose custody when they are practically insane. So comparing the two is utterly ridiculous.

 

[BabyBugatti]

36cm (circumference wise) head.
tiny vagina.
20 hours OR more. (seeing as my mother had 36hours)

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

36cm (circumference wise) head.
tiny vagina.
20 hours OR more. (seeing as my mother had 36hours)

bitch stop bragging about how tight your pussy is

 

[BabyBugatti]

ive made all the point i have to make fool ey.
ive covered all i need to.

STEP THE FUCK UP.
/thread.

 

[BabyBugatti]

bitch stop bragging about how tight your pussy is

sorry ...

 

[Fooley]

What's your point here? A fetus is not technically a parasite.

Obviously, there is a biological and legal distinction between a thing made out of ten cells and a thing made out of ten BILLION cells.

what are fetuses then? It's a group cells that require a host to grow and live.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

what are fetuses then? It's a group cells that require a host to grow and live.

yeah but its the same species as the host and its a direct result of the reproductive process

 

[dnyce215]

You said, "at the end of the day as i said. you get her pregnant then your responsibility." Which is tantamount to, if a man doesn't want children, he should wear a condom. Apply that same logic to women. If she gets pregnant, it's her responsibility. She should have to take care of the baby, and not be allowed the easy way out. She should have to, "step up to the plate." If abortion was illegal, then I would agree with child support. But as long as abortion is legal, men shouldn't be forced to pay child support. Since only women are allowed to make the decision/choice, they should be the only one's financially responsible for the child.

Women get custody like 85% of the time. They only lose custody when they are practically insane. So comparing the two is utterly ridiculous.

Co sign 100%