Steve Harvey takes an L (along with most of you people)

[Pura~Diabla]

Yeah, that free will concept doesn't make sense to me either since ultimately everything will go according to "God's plan"

^^^^I've been saying since I became an agnostic person, and these christian say God wants you to chose right or wrong, but if he knew they were goin to choose wrong and he creates them, anyways. Then send them to hell to re-enact his sick fantasies for being egoistical bastard.

 

[1of1]

No lie. This is the first pic that came up when I googled Steve Harvey.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

This thread has been an amusing read.

Anyway, God knowing ahead of time that a specific person is going to hell and creating them anyway so that they can burn forever and ever doesn't make sense to me and I still have trouble reconciling that with a God who supposedly loves the hell-bound person.

Also, I don't see how anyone can blame bad things on the devil when God created Satan and knew what his actions would be be. This seems to be a contradiction.

Just my 2 cents.

"14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?" Romans 9:14-24

Predestination just confirms the sovereignty of God my friend. No one will ever understand why God does what He does. But that truth doesn't negate the fact that God does as He pleases. And everything that God does is just, right, and holy. There is no unrighteousness with God. So a hell-bound sinner can never accuse God of wrong-doing my friend. Because each and every individual, who has reached the age of accountability in this life, is PERSONALLY responsible for their own actions. God gave humanity the ability to CHOOSE. You can either choose to serve Him or choose to rebel against Him. It's the basic principle of free will. We are free moral agents my friend. We are not automated robots. God has given mankind the FREE ABILITY to choose to serve Him. It's that simple. But the harsh reality is that mankind loves the passing pleasures of sin, rather than righteousness. Mankind doesn't want God telling us how to live. Mankind wants to live apart from God. Mankind doesn't want to be held accountable for our actions. We don't want to face judgment. So mankind goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on in rebellion against God. But thanks be to God that He provided a way for those who are CALLED to receive salvation. Those who are the elect will HEAR and RESPOND to the call of God. The call of God goes out to all the world and to every single soul, so no one can ever charge God with folly. Jesus Christ said, "those who have ears let him hear". So only those who want to know the true and living God will respond to the gospel message of salvation. It's that plain and simple. Black and white. No gray areas. The world is filled with only 2 types of people. The saints and the aints, the saved and the lost, the righteous and the wicked, the wheat and the tares, the elect and the rebellious. So which one are you today my friend?

 

[Pura~Diabla]

God has given mankind the FREE ABILITY to choose to serve Him.

"Serve me or burn forever"

I often wonder this. If God didn't threaten Christians with eternal torture, how many would truly be rushing to serve him? A lot of Christians have the "better safe than sorry" mentality. I would say most worship out of fear....not genuine love of God.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

"Serve me or burn forever"

I often wonder this. If God didn't threaten Christians with eternal torture, how many would truly be rushing to serve him? A lot of Christians have the "better safe than sorry" mentality. I would say that has more to do with fear than the love of God.

That premise is faulty thou, because hell wasn't created for human beings. The lake of fire was created for the devil and his angels. "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels." (Matthew 25:41) So your statement of "serve me or burn forever" is erroneous. Also, the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. If you don't fear God, then you will never experience the love of God.

 

[Pura~Diabla]

That premise is faulty thou, because hell wasn't created for human beings. The lake of fire was created for the devil and his angels. "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels." (Matthew 25:41) So your statement of "serve me or burn forever" is erroneous. Also, the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. If you don't fear God, then you will never experience the love of God.

How was that erroneous? Will human souls not burn forever if they choose to remain noncompliant?

Also, the usage of "fear of God" in the Bible means that of reverence and respect, love. I wasn't using it in that context. I meant fear as in distressed, scared, anxious.

Anyway, I gotta go class. I'll be back to see your answer.

 

[Stack Money]

Believers talk about how they are tolerant, and understand other peoples opinions, but they throw a hissy fit, and start yelling "This is a -you know what- country," over simple things like removing "Under God," from U.S. money even though it wasn't originally there in the first place.

That describes you atheists

LOL @ You still thinking up gay shit in this thread.

I thought you were done thinking up this shit days ago.

This must be the "indulgence" part of Lent.

You clearly been fatasizin bout me nigga, get off my dick the shits disgustin. I ain't thinkin bout you like that but you obviously wish I was, this shoulda been concluded when I said I ain't into that gay shit like you faggot.

Atheists lost in this thread. Feelings caught everywhere.

Atheists lost at life. And it's no ones fault but their own.

Stacks, get your own late-night, nigga. You'll get mad ratings.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

How was that erroneous? Will human souls not burn forever if they choose to remain noncompliant?

Also, the usage of "fear of God" in the Bible means that of reverence and respect, love. I wasn't using it in that context. I meant fear as in distressed, scared, anxious.

Anyway, I gotta go class. I'll be back to see your answer.

Forgive me for misunderstanding you. But a better way to put your statement is that God will and must punish sin. If God is holy, just, and righteous, which He is, than sin must be dealt with. You see God dealt with sin at the cross on Calvary. He poured His wrath out on His Son for the penalty of sin, which is death. He did this because He loved us. He gave mankind a way to be redeemed, which is through the shed blood of Jesus Christ our Lord. Now mankind can have their sin debt ERASED FOREVER through faith in Jesus Christ. But if you refuse the payment on your behalf for the penalty of sin, which is death, than how can God accept you into His kingdom on the last day? Remember sin must be dealt with. "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23) So all those who refused the free gift of salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ, now must pay for their sin debt on their own. This sin debt will be paid in full on the last day because God always gets the last word. God must punish sin in order to be vindicated and uphold His holy nature. If a sinner refuses the payment already made on their behalf in this life, the payment MUST AND WILL be made in the life to come. That's the bottom line. You either clear you sin debt in this life, through faith in Jesus Christ alone or pay for it in the life to come.

Also, I never experienced the fear of going to hell like you meant it. Even when I was lost I never feared hell because I didn't fear God. Going to hell was the least of my concerns when I was the servant of sin, the flesh, and the devil. I had the same attitude that all lost people have. "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die." (1 Corinthians 15:32) Like I said, fearing God is the beginning of wisdom. Now that I am a sinner saved by the grace of God, I have a fear of God because I know that He is real. And because I know the truth my mission and purpose in life is to spread the gospel message of salvation. There is no greater calling than spreading the news of Jesus Christ. There is nothing more important in life. NOTHING. Jesus Christ is all that matters. That's it! Because when all is said and done, the only question that God will ask every soul is "what did you do with my Son, Jesus Christ?" And whatever your answer is will determine your eternal destiny. Thats about it, thats about all. God bless.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Reminder that DoUwant2GotoHeaven has a child out of wedlock and uses steroids.

 

[haute]

No lie. This is the first pic that came up when I googled Steve Harvey.

Ewwwwwwwww

Barf

 

[Nut Did N' Cider]

LMFAO everytime THE FEUD come on I'm reminded how this nigga look jus like Mr. Potato Head

 

[fiat_money]

LMFAO everytime THE FEUD come on I'm reminded how this nigga look jus like Mr. Potato Head

LOL @ The uncanny resemblance:

 

[Pura~Diabla]

God will and must punish sin.

He's an abuser with a "do as I say, not as I do" mentality. If creating a torture chamber of brimstone and fire isn't sadistic, I don't know what is.

If God is holy, just, and righteous, which He is, than sin must be dealt with.

Scorching someone for all eternity because they used the freewill that was given to them is not "just and righteous". I guess freewill means "do this or else". That's the only way it would make sense.

You see God dealt with sin at the cross on Calvary. He poured His wrath out on His Son for the penalty of sin, which is death. He did this because He loved us. He gave mankind a way to be redeemed, which is through the shed blood of Jesus Christ our Lord. Now mankind can have their sin debt ERASED FOREVER through faith in Jesus Christ.

All of this could have been avoided if he used his omniscient powers. Which makes me think he simply gets a kick out of this type of thing.

But if you refuse the payment on your behalf for the penalty of sin, which is death, than how can God accept you into His kingdom on the last day? Remember sin must be dealt with. So all those who refused the free gift of salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ, now must pay for their sin debt on their own. This sin debt will be paid in full on the last day because God always gets the last word. God must punish sin in order to be vindicated and uphold His holy nature. If a sinner refuses the payment already made on their behalf in this life, the payment MUST AND WILL be made in the life to come. That's the bottom line. You either clear you sin debt in this life, through faith in Jesus Christ alone or pay for it in the life to come.

So living an otherwise good life isn't enough for this deity?

God on judgement day: "I know you spent your days feeding the poor and providing safe shelter to abused women and children. But since you didn't believe in me, to the inferno you shall go"

Also, I never experienced the fear of going to hell like you meant it. Even when I was lost I never feared hell because I didn't fear God. Going to hell was the least of my concerns when I was the servant of sin, the flesh, and the devil. I had the same attitude that all lost people have. "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die."(1 Corinthians 15:32) Like I said, fearing God is the beginning of wisdom. Now that I am a sinner saved by the grace of God, I have a fear of God because I know that He is real. And because I know the truth my mission and purpose in life is to spread the gospel message of salvation. There is no greater calling than spreading the news of Jesus Christ. There is nothing more important in life. NOTHING. Jesus Christ is all that matters. That's it! Because when all is said and done, the only question that God will ask every soul is "what did you do with my Son, Jesus Christ?" And whatever your answer is will determine your eternal destiny. Thats about it, thats about all. God bless.

I won't knock that. Keep believing what you believe. More power to you.

 

[Pura~Diabla]

I can't wrap my head around why he expects us to accept his existence based soley on faith. I mean really, what's the point? Why the need for games? And then to add insult to injury he leaves us with a crappy book I'm convinced he didn't proofread. Lol.

Nigga, if we're all sinners, then why did he created us in the first place? If we can't remove that status from us from the day that we're born to the day we die? MAKES NO SENSE.

Atheist: 1,000,000

Believers: -1

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

1.He's an abuser with a "do as I say, not as I do" mentality. If creating a torture chamber of brimstone and fire isn't sadistic, I don't know what is.

2.Scorching someone for all eternity because they used the freewill that was given to them is not "just and righteous". I guess freewill means "do this or else". That's the only way it would make sense.

3.All of this could have been avoided if he used his omniscient powers. Which makes me think he simply gets a kick out of this type of thing.

4.So living an otherwise good life isn't enough for this deity?

5. God on judgement day: "I know you spent your days feeding the poor and providing safe shelter to abused women and children. But since you didn't believe in me, to the inferno you shall go"

6. I won't knock that. Keep believing what you believe. More power to you.

1. God isn't sadistic. "Say to them, 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, O house of Israel?'" (Ezekiel 33:11)

God has given you the choice to follow and obey Him. So now I ask you why will you not FREELY choose to do so this very instant? You have heard the gospel message so if God were to require your soul tonight, what excuse can you give Him for WILLFULLY rejecting the blood of Jesus Christ?

2. God is just and righteous by punishing sin. If God didn't punish sin He would be a liar. And that is impossible. You see God gave man an eternal soul when He breathed the breath of life into us. That eternal soul can't die. So those who WILLFULLY rejected God for their entire life must spend eternity somewhere. And since none of them wanted to serve God in the first place, they will spend a lost eternity seperated from God in the lake of fire. You reap what you sow my friend.

3. All of what could have been avoided? God knew the end from the beginning my friend, so how can anything be avoided? Before there was anything, there was always God. And God always had a plan for humanity. This plan is being carried out right now, which will ultimately culminate with God ushering in His everlasting Kingdom in the very near future. You see Gods train is coming, and You can't stop it my friend. You either get on board or get ran over. It's as simple as that. You can either get with this (Jesus Christ) or get with that (the world, the flesh, and the devil). The choice is yours. What will it be?

4. A good life according to who? Mans standard of good is imperfect and flawed. Man has hidden motives, agendas, and purposes when we do things. So how can man decide what is good and what is not, when we can't see into the heart of the individual carrying out the act? And also how does a couple good deeds compare to a life full of sin? Telling 1 lie is worthy of the lake of fire. Having 1 thought contrary to the will of God is worthy of hell fire. So how can our "righteous acts" compare to a all the sin that we have committed? "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." Isaiah 64:6

You see you have to understand the standard that has been set in place by God. That standard is perfection. That's why God declares in Romans 3:10-12, "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." So until you come to realize this truth, you will continue to be blind to the ESSENTIAL truth of one's need for a Savior. You can't live up to Gods holy standard apart from Jesus Christ. It is IMPOSSIBLE. But thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ. "And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27

5. Feeding the poor, providing safe shelter, etc. are noble deeds. But works will not save you. Only faith in Jesus Christ will save you. Thats it, thats all! "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

6. Will you give your heart and life to Jesus Christ tonight?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Nigga, if we're all sinners, then why did he created us in the first place? If we can't remove that status from us from the day that we're born to the day we die? MAKES NO SENSE.

Atheist: 1,000,000
Believers: -1

God created man perfect. Read Genesis chapters 1 and 2 for the creation of man in his perfect state. Then read Genesis chapter 3 for the fall of man into the condition that we are currently in. If you want answers you must go to the source of all truth, the Word of Al-Mighty God!

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I can't wrap my head around why he expects us to accept his existence based soley on faith. I mean really, what's the point? Why the need for games? And then to add insult to injury he leaves us with a crappy book I'm convinced he didn't proofread. Lol.

Tell me what your definition of faith is please.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE. If you believe this intelligent design or higher authority created Humans in less than a week.

"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?" Jeremiah 32:27

 

[DarcSkies]

Reminder that DoUwant2GotoHeaven has a child out of wedlock and uses steroids.

AND...He has nightmares about video games and stops playing them because hes too scared

ANYWAY....

I THINK WE NEED A PRAISE BREAK!

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhxCjby617zLDm18WO

 

[cellect]

I dont like the fact that little boys get molested in the house of God by men of God . shit aint cool mayne. One of the kids I was counselling killed himself over that shit. no amount of meds could fix what those years of abuse did to him.

I can overlook everything else and just be like ok there might be a god, we dont know for sure......etc....... I mean even if God is mad busy, he will at least make sure little boys who have pledged their lives to serve him, are not getting fucked in his temple by his priests.Right?

what part of the fuckin plan is that? Innocent kids getting sodomized in church = fuck you and fuck your god. If your god is cool with that, I sure as hell dont want him close to me or anyone I care about.................and if he cant even prevent that shit from happening if he's not cool with it, then what the fuck is he doing? he can create the universe in seven days but cant prevent pedophilia in the one place .................ah fuck it.