Steve Harvey takes an L (along with most of you people)

[Go figure...]

God gave man knowledge. man's knowledge created abortion. God gives us something good and we do bad with it, because initially we wouldnt be able to advance our knowledge to learn to perform abortions. but hey, God gave us the power to learn n this is what we chose to do...so i guess its his fault.

sigh

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Even funnier is that since god is apparently omnipotent and omniscient, every single abortion that has and will happen is his fault.

lol..ya'll making me laugh with the finger pointing.

 

[fiat_money]

...and as to what abortion is....thats a whole different argument. but whether abortion is killing a baby, or a fetus, it is the termination of potential human life. if u let things go naturally, chances are that baby will be born and die after a certain amount of time or years. whatever it is u are killing at the period of the pregnany, it is a living thing inside the womb. abortion ends that life.

Which is why it's feticide--the killing of a fetus--or "embricide"--the killing of an embryo-- or perhaps even "zygicide", which would be the killing of a zygote; since humans between the stages of contraception and birth are either zygotes, embryos, or fetuses.

Either way, it doesn't qualify as genocide.

 

[leftcoastkev]

Ya'll think too much.

 

[fiat_money]

lol..ya'll making me laugh with the finger pointing.

That's the cool part about being omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent; the moment "God" "made" the first humans, he knew exactly what the results of his actions would be.

These results include abortion.

 

[Go figure...]

Which is why it's feticide--the killing of a fetus--or "embricide"--the killing of an embryo-- or perhaps even "zygicide", which would be the killing of a zygote; since humans between the stages of contraception and birth are either zygotes, embryos, or fetuses.

Either way, it doesn't qualify as genocide.

so....if u dont perform the abortion....what is the zygote/embryo/fetus likely to become?

 

[Go figure...]

So, God didn't have anything to do with it? He did created this whole shit, you know?

do u know what free will is?

 

[Go figure...]

That's the cool part about being omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent; the moment "God" "made" the first humans, he knew exactly what the results of his actions would be.

These results include abortion.

when a man and woman plan the birth of a child, they know its gonna be difficult and the child gonna be a lil bad ass n give em stress n a whole bunch of other shit, yet it doesnt mean they shouldnt have children.

 

[fiat_money]

so....if u dont perform the abortion....what is the zygote/embryo/fetus likely to become?

An infant, at which point its killing would be "infanticide"; which is legally considered a form of homicide.

 

[fiat_money]

when a man and woman plan the birth of a child, they know its gonna be difficult and the child gonna be a lil bad ass n give em stress n a whole bunch of other shit, yet it doesnt mean they shouldnt have children.

How is this relevant?

 

[Disciplined InSight]

An infant, at which point its killing would be "infanticide"; which is legally considered a form of homicide.

Okay what would be a better solution for this form of murder?

 

[Go figure...]

How is this relevant?

it pertains to the question of if God knew we would sin why would he create us?

 

[fiat_money]

Okay what would be a better solution for this form of murder?

A better version of infanticide? Babies don't put up much of a fight, so as long is the kill is clean, it'll suffice.

 

[fiat_money]

it pertains to the question of if God knew we would sin why would he create us?

But humans are neither omniscient, omnipresent, nor omnipotent. What some potential parents guess may what'll become of their child is nowhere near the same as knowing--with complete certainty--the exact outcome of the conceived child's life. Nor is it the same has having the power to completely manipulate that outcome as desired.

So no, it doesn't pertain to the question at all.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

A better version of infanticide? Babies don't put up much of a fight, so as long is the kill is clean, it'll suffice.

No...you misunderstood me. What I meant:

I meant what is the solution to prevent this "infanticide"?

 

[Go figure...]

An infant, at which point its killing would be "infanticide"; which is legally considered a form of homicide.

well, another point where we disagree. without an abortion, u would have life. with the abortion, there is no life.

which is why, as i've seen, ppl who dont believe in God usually have no problems with abortion.

 

[Go figure...]

But humans are neither omniscient, omnipresent, nor omnipotent. What some potential parents guess may what'll become of their child is nowhere near the same as knowing--with complete certainty--the exact outcome of the conceived child's life. Nor is it the same has having the power to completely manipulate that outcome as desired.

So no, it doesn't pertain to the question at all.

if u have a child u know for a fact that child will not be perfect.

 

[fiat_money]

No...you misunderstood me. What I meant:

I meant what is the solution to prevent this "infanticide"?

Considering how easy it is to kill an infant, you'd have to monitor/protect all infants in existence, so that the parents or others won't be able to kill them. The grim alternative would be killing all zygotes/embryos/fetuses so that none would ever become infants; which would mean no infants would be killed.

Either way, there is no practical way to prevent infanticide; there are just too many infants out there and they're too easy to kill.

 

[Go figure...]

http://www.gotquestions.org/if-God-knew.html

thorough explanation for why God would create us if he knew he would sin

"God knew that Satan would rebel and that Adam and Eve would sin in the Garden of Eden. With that knowledge, God still created Lucifer and Adam and Eve because creating them and ordaining the fall was part of His sovereign plan to manifest His glory in all its fullness. Even though the fall was foreknown and foreordained, our freedom in making choices is not violated because our free choices are the means by which God’s will is carried out."

 

[fiat_money]

if u have a child u know for a fact that child will not be perfect.

You'd also know that it will be a form of human, however there is no significance in that either. Those are specific facts about the child, not all facts about it; thus that is not an example of omniscience.

For this reason, an example limited knowledge is not comparable to an example of infinite knowledge.