Steve Harvey takes an L (along with most of you people)

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so why do you rebel?because you know there isnt a god and you see through the make-believe
goverment laws and god laws are not in the same statosphere
no difficult to see your phony, bruh

They do have one thing in common, they're both made up by humans.

 

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so why do you rebel?because you know there isnt a god and you see through the make-believe

goverment laws and god laws are not in the same statosphere

no difficult to see your phony, bruh

bro its the same concept. ppl who sin are breaking the laws of God. ppl who commit crimes break the laws of the government. whether or not u think its wrong to sell drugs doesnt matter, your ass goin to jail if u get caught. whether or not u think a sin is a sin dont matter, u goin to hell if u dont repent. this not that difficult

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Difference of course is that God is supposed to be OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT.

Nobody who actually believed that would disobey his commands.

But y'all disobey constantly and say "He know ma heart."

Liars. You don't even really believe that shit. You do what you want and then you get scared and repent. Rinse, wash, repeat. You have no integrity.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Difference of course is that God is supposed to be OMNIPOTENT AND OMNISCIENT.

Nobody who actually believed that would disobey his commands.

But y'all disobey constantly and say "He know ma heart."

Liars. You don't even really believe that shit. You do what you want and then you get scared and repent. Rinse, wash, repeat. You have no integrity.

Yet no one is perfect right?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Yet no one is perfect right?

Jesus never said "It's cool, sin sometimes, nobody's perfect."

He said "GO AND SIN NO MORE."

Now why would an all-knowing god command you to do something that you cannot do?

It's simple. The story's made up.

 

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Yet no one is perfect right?

cosign.

n ktulu its not about "he knows my heart"...that shit dont mean a damn thing. u have to LIVE it not just believe it.

for example, if ur mother or father taught u what is right or wrong, u will most likely set ur standards by those beliefs. this does not mean u will never disobey them.

its the same as children rebelling against their parents. they are looking out for u and providing for u and are there for u in ur time of need...theyre really the only ones who care about u....yet u will still disobey. i swear how many times must i repeat this??

it seems like ur judging God by the actions of man, when in fact, the actions of man are supposed to be judged by God. anyone who goes around living wreckless n says...well God knows i believe in Him so im good...that shit wont work, even if they really think it will. they have to STOP their sinful ways and repent. sayin it n doin it are two diff things. that is not a true follower of God, they fall short.

satan believes in God yet he rebelled. he knows he exists and he knows his powers and how man is SUPPOSED to live, which is why he tempts ppl to do the opposite and doubt. jus cuz satan says he believes in God and really does dont mean SHIT.

get it now???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

You're not responding to my point at all.

If you honestly believe that an all-powerful god is watching you every moment of every day, how do you manage to forget that and do disobedient things?

How?

BTW, you've tried to move past the discussion of the FASCISM you were making excuses for, but I haven't forgotten. You believe that "might makes right" on a cosmic scale. You have no morals, you're just a slave.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Jesus never said "It's cool, sin sometimes, nobody's perfect."

He said "GO AND SIN NO MORE."

Now why would an all-knowing god command you to do something that you cannot do?

It's simple. The story's made up.

Right...that's why we have GRACE.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Right...that's why we have an internally inconsistent philosophy.

Adjusted that for accuracy, B.

 

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You're not responding to my point at all.

If you honestly believe that an all-powerful god is watching you every moment of every day, how do you manage to forget that and do disobedient things?

How?



BTW, you've tried to move past the discussion of the FASCISM you were making excuses for, but I haven't forgotten. You believe that "might makes right" on a cosmic scale. You have no morals, you're just a slave.

@bolded: i dont forget, im weak. i admit it but admitting it will not save me. i feel ppl who KNOW better and still do wrong are WORSE than ppl who jus never believed to begin with.



Matthew 26:41 (King James Version):

Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

what do u think guilt is?

as for that fascist shit.........what u mean by "might makes right"?

 

[Disciplined InSight]

You're not responding to my point at all.

If you honestly believe that an all-powerful god is watching you every moment of every day, how do you manage to forget that and do disobedient things?

How?

BTW, you've tried to move past the discussion of the FASCISM you were making excuses for, but I haven't forgotten. You believe that "might makes right" on a cosmic scale. You have no morals, you're just a slave.

Since you don't believe in God, what morals do you live by?

Answer this for me:

(1) Do yo consider yourself a good person?
(2) Have you ever lied? What do you call a person that lies?
(3) Have you ever used God's name as a curse word?
(4) Have you ever stolen anything and what do you call someone who steals?
(5) How many times do murder to be called a murderer?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

So you willfully disobey what you believe is an omnipotent and omniscient being?

I don't believe you.

"Might makes right" is the ethics that you've espoused in this thread. In the Bible, God commands people to commit mass murder. You said this was perfectly acceptable because God is powerful. This is fascism taken to an extreme.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Adjusted that for accuracy, B.

You adjusted it because refuse to see it that way because it's true. No one's perfect. Me, you, NO ONE.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Since you don't believe in God, what morals do you live by?

Do you sincerely think that belief in God is the only available source of morality?

(1) Do yo consider yourself a good person?

I'm moral by several different metrics.

(2) Have you ever lied? What do you call a person that lies?

No. I am the only human being in history who has not lied.

(3) Have you ever used God's name as a curse word?

I couldn't give a fuck about the arrogant demand of a non-existent deity.

(4) Have you ever stolen anything and what do you call someone who steals?

I stole a pen from a job one time. I'll never forgive myself.

(5) How many times do murder to be called a murderer?

Do you call Jehovah a murderer for the Flood? Howabout the occupants of the city of Jericho? The people of Sodom?

Oh, but that don't count to you, because Jehovah is your slavemaster and you're afraid to question him, even when he's a raging psychopath.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Do you sincerely think that belief in God is the only available source of morality?

I'm moral by several different metrics.

No. I am the only human being in history who has not lied.

I couldn't give a fuck about the arrogant demand of a non-existent deity.

I stole a pen from a job one time. I'll never forgive myself.

Do you call Jehovah a murderer for the Flood? Howabout the occupants of the city of Jericho? The people of Sodom?

Oh, but that don't count to you, because Jehovah is your slavemaster and you're afraid to question him, even when he's a raging psychopath.

A simple yes or no would suffice....deflecting i.e. dodging as usual.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

KTULU's way of dodging is fingerpointing in something he supposedly doesn't believe...yeah nice technique.

 

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So you willfully disobey what you believe is an omnipotent and omniscient being?

I don't believe you.

"Might makes right" is the ethics that you've espoused in this thread. In the Bible, God commands people to commit mass murder. You said this was perfectly acceptable because God is powerful. This is fascism taken to an extreme.

ROMANS 1:18-1:32 (check da bolded at the end)
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

as for the fascist comment....we are to submit ourselves to God. SUBMIT.

Job 40

1 The LORD said to Job:

2 “Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?
Let him who accuses God answer him!”

3 Then Job answered the LORD:

4 “I am unworthy—how can I reply to you?
I put my hand over my mouth.
5 I spoke once, but I have no answer—
twice, but I will say no more.”

6 Then the LORD spoke to Job out of the storm:

7 “Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.

8 “Would you discredit my justice?
Would you condemn me to justify yourself?
9 Do you have an arm like God’s,
and can your voice thunder like his?
10 Then adorn yourself with glory and splendor,
and clothe yourself in honor and majesty.
11 Unleash the fury of your wrath,
look at all who are proud and bring them low,
12 look at all who are proud and humble them,
crush the wicked where they stand.
13 Bury them all in the dust together;
shroud their faces in the grave.
14 Then I myself will admit to you
that your own right hand can save you.


again fascism is not spiritual its a political ideology. and if we are to recognize God as our ultimate creator we must submit to Him completely. this means we do not do our own will we do God's will. by that u call me a slave.....but most of us are slaves to sin, u just dont believe it.

read the book of Job. it applies directly to what ur arguing.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

Bruh, have you ever watch "Atheist Experience"?

thats the call-in show, right?

their conversations go pretty much like this thread

 

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James 2:14

"What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?"

James 2:26

"For as the body without the spirit is dead,
so faith without works is dead also"

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Since you don't believe in God, what morals do you live by?

Answer this for me:

(1) Do yo consider yourself a good person?

(2) Have you ever lied? What do you call a person that lies?

(3) Have you ever used God's name as a curse word?

(4) Have you ever stolen anything and what do you call someone who steals?

(5) How many times do murder to be called a murderer?

KTULU has yet to DIRECTLY answer those questions I've posted...YES or NO? And don't mask YES or NO with some pre-meditated philosophical bullshit like you did last time.